Racing movies
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People TwitterSo reading the comments; most people that race don't generally want to destroy their car.
And yes, you can drop gears down and floor it but there's a high risk of all sorts of damage and your clutch won't talk to you for days after. That's why you want to bring your car on a trailer for track days. Also tires are expensive; burning through 2k in a day is rough.
Constant shifting is done for temperature maintenance often. Not everyone has a million dollar team to perfect everything.
I think while it's cheesy, the first race in fast and the furious was slightly accurate when you start pushing the limits of your car and it starts falling apart. Vibrations get intense, sometimes you just back out; I did around 140 on a straight and I was like nah man you take win.
Lookup Lemons Races; it's all about keeping your shitbucket from breaking down and not getting cooked(and yourself).
The movie redline gets me so hype every watch.
My favourite part is when they show the hero and his car is making fast car noises and he shifts like crazy going fast and drifting and yet the bad guy/cop is still tailgating him with his old beat up truck.
And also shifting into 20th gear.
Pink nitrous exhaust flames on the girl's car..
Somebody just watched 2 fast 2 furious 😤
Want to take a second to recognize the need for speed movie trying to be more "real" than fast and furious by not using CGI, but somehow coming out more fake. Back road racing with lots of turns. Not a single downshift in the whole movie.
I also enjoy when they quickly pull up alongside then match speed and remain side by side rather than overtake.
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It's so funny how everyone here discusses how the race scene in this or that spy movie is unrealistic. Actually the most unrealistic thing is that the Chinese spy and the US spy would be racing to steal their secret in the first place, while in reality they would just seduce one another to steal their secrets. In a realistic movie, the bank robber wouldn't race against the police either, he would just shut down his computer.
That's why the Bond films are actually the most realistic depiction of spy craft, it's mostly drinking, gambling and sex.
Well, cars smashed to hell and full of bullet holes tend not to continue running very long IRL. Movie cars are indestructible.
Can it be shut faster than three cops typing togheter on a single keyboard?
Shift gears again.
Shift gears agressively
I maintain that Rush is one of the best racing movies ever made.
Both Chris Hemsworth and Daniel Bruhl were DEEP in their respective roles. And to top it off the score by the LEGENDARY Hans Zimmer.
The fact that it won no academy awards is proof that the Oscars are run by a bunch of idiots.
Meanwhile the F1 movie was terrible. It didn't use the "oh, I'm behind, I better drive faster" trope, but it did involve the driver doing ridiculous things that wouldn't have worked, and would have resulted in their being disqualified from the race.
Entire movie: "This guy always overtakes on the inside".
Final race: "OH MY GOD! Is he overtaking on the outside?!? HE NEVER DOES THAT! He is! He is overtaking on the outside!!!"
Yes, it was a Nascar movie.
What do you expect from a 'sport' that's all left turns?
For something they like to say is all about skill, they sure do spend a lot of time on the beginner track.
I used to watch NASCAR with my dad as a kid (and play racing sims). There's a lot of fuel, tire management, and drafting effects involved, so they actually don't go all out at all times. It's actually kinda interesting from a strategic perspective; just not interesting to watch, IMO.
Yeah. I don't shit on NASCAR because of the skill involved. It actually does take a lot of skill. There's a lot of strategy too. But, for the audience, you're watching cars going around an oval at a fairly constant speed. Almost none of these skill and strategy decisions are visible to the audience. The driver may know when they move out of position and are no longer drafting the car in front of them effectively, but I'm sure 99% of the audience can't tell.
You do realize there are racing series where cars have to brake hard, accelerate hard, turn both right and left. Plus, you don't have to give up on the deeper stuff like tire strategy, drafting, etc. All that is still part of the sport, but you get the addition of regular exciting things you get to actually watch.
Heard stuff like F1 kinda sucks to watch in person because you just see a small portion of the track. Idk, I've never seen that or NASCAR in person. Have seen a couple Sprint car races which was kinda cool (tractor pulls and destruction derby's too).
I haven't watched a race in person, but I know someone who works for one of the F1 teams. He says that you see more if you watch on TV because you can't see the entire circuit, but you can't really understand the speed and power of the cars if you only watch on TV. The best compromise is to find a great spot at the circuit where you can see the cars braking hard and turning, but where you can also see a screen that shows action at other parts of the circuit. Unfortunately, the people who run the circuits know that's the best place to watch and the best experience, so you have to pay a huge amount for that. If you just get a general admission type ticket, you're probably going to have to watch somewhere where you can only see the cars zoom past, without any TV screen to tell you the state of the race.
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One of the best car chase sequences ever filmed.
The Seven Ups.
https://youtu.be/Ob1VctUT9kQ
Holy shit. THIS is what the Driver games are emulating! I thought it was a general 70's style but after seeing this it's obvious.
You might want to look up 'Cotton Comes To Harlem' and 'The Driver.'
Best street racing ad ever https://youtu.be/c53Dd3k9Pp4. Starring Madonna
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Try 'CarChaseWonderland@Facebook' Never been there myself, but it was watermarked at the start of the clip.
This was actually pretty cool in that one Animatrix short where the dude runs so hard he almost breaks free of the Matrix... And then his leg muscles explode.
That's why Speed Racer is the best racing movie. It knows it's bullshit but goes hard as fuck with it anyhow.
I absolutely lost it when that one guy >!drew a fucking gun!< Out of all the outlandish random stuff going on, that felt like way too normal to fit into the film.
But what if it's a story like the Australian olympic speed ice skater?
Coasting a bit to the back and everyone slips and falls before the finish line but he.
Like sitting behind the Ferraris in Formula 1?
They shift gear and suddenly the car lurches forward.... Were they in the wrong gear all along?
This is really a metaphor for life.
Well I think that when they’re drafting behind another car they may be in top gear and shifting down definitely helps to accelerate, just not maintain a certain speed.
Driving in top gear at 105 mph. I'm gonna need to really give it the beans if I have any hope to pass them. I increase throttle for the down shift, pop the clutch, increase throttle just a little more, pull too hard on the shifter and jam it into second. I slam on the gas but there's a hard lurch, the tires chirp in agony, I weave around trying to control my car, and a rod launches from my engine.
Just when it seems like I'll never recover, I grit my teeth, hunker down over the steering wheel with white knuckles, grip the shifter knob, and slam on the gas. My car makes a sound like a lawnmower misfiring. I engage my NOS and burst into flames then explode. Guess I won't be back for the sequel, but I'll be in the one after that.
That works well in real life when youre in top gear at 2-3k RPM and downshift and accelerate through 5-7k RPM.
In the movies theyre racing already and should be at high RPM basically the entire time, so if they downshift then they would just red line it lol
I assume that drafting allows them to drive a lower rpm than the front guy, so the car still has done extra from the overtake
You assume wrong, rpm correlates directly with road speed, so if you're going a certain speed in a certain gear you'll be at the same rpm, drafting or not.
What drafting allows you to do is use less throttle to maintain the speed (or go faster with the same throttle position).
Right, so what is it that makes them be able to accelerate past their opponent? More room for acceleration within the same gear?
Nothing to do with gears. When you're drafting behind an opponent you can accelerate slightly faster than them because you have less wind resistance. You can also reach a higher top speed before the wind resistance is too much for your engine to overcome. Building up enough speed in the draft can let you make an overtake or get alongside before the next corner.
Whether it is actually an effective way to pass depends on the type of car and track. It's an important part of many types of racing but totally ineffective in others.
Nothing. That's the whole point of the topic. It's all nonsense.
Stuff like that doesn't happen in real racing. In real racing you usually pass someone by pressuring them to make a mistake or forcing them to make an opening in a corner. Some motor sports have boost mechanics like DRS or electric boost and stuff but those are limited to specific areas with specific rules on their use. It's not the winning strategy usually.
There's also tracks which doesn't let you maintain top speed. But the car in front can still keep blocking unless it's a wide track (so basically some off-road racing I think)
Change gear and disappear
Nitro button, the grandparent of drift button.
Losing in a car race? Just change gear!
Yeah, the deus-ex-machina-like sudden resolve some protagonist gains for the same action they already repeated several times but now they become op with it.
Someones it's the gas pedal that it turns out was only half-used before, sometimes in a fight the punches only become way stronger when the protagonist is already tired, beaten, and about to collapse, even bullets sometimes start working on the big baddies from point-blank range only when the protagonist is about to die but then drops a one-liner.
Sometimes it's also yelling - someone physically can't do the thing until the boss yells at them & then suddenly it happens.
Someones it’s the gas pedal that it turns out was only half-used before, sometimes in a fight the punches only become way stronger when the protagonist is already tired, beaten, and about to collapse, even bullets sometimes start working on the big baddies from point-blank range only when the protagonist is about to die but then drops a one-liner.
I can maybe believe the fist fight one. Adrenaline kicking in even more or whatever. But I do think it suggests writers haven't been in many fights themselves and are just armchair sciencing how fighting works.
And the bullet one and gas pedal one is indefensible
It's all about the visuals, not any logic behind it. It's not that deep. Same reason games still run at 30 fps on consoles: they can bump up the settings and make it look better in trailers. Visuals trump all
Exactly this.
The question is just what sells & most apparently ppl will pay for flashy stuff, "cinematic", no brain needed.
They just raise their universal limiter
If you watch a Seagal film, sometimes their license plate changes mid-chase.
If you watch an older Seagal movie you can sometimes see him standing up to do martial arts
My fax part is when is about to catch up and they cut away and then come back and are separated again but closing
It's like the inverse of zombie movies.
Just watched Cinderella grey and it's basically that but only after an emotional flashback
My brain skipped over the word ‘grey’. I pictured downshifting in a pumpkin carriage.
I love the '66 movie Grand Prix, but the last race was so unrealistic... Jean Pierre Sarti stalls at the start and falls way behind. Then he roars off and passes motherfuckers like they are standing still! Runs all the way up to the lead pack... then, well... let's just say he didn't win. If his car was that much faster than everyone else's, how the fuck didn't he win every race? Still love the movie tho.
This is exactly what Aryton Senna did at the Japanese Grand Prix in October 1988. It's an absolutely amazing demonstration of driving skill: https://abouttherace.com/gp/1988-japanese-gp/
That kind of thing happens all the time in real life. Last weekend, Max Verstappen started in 19th and finished 2nd. About a month ago in Monza, Kimi Antonelli went from 19th to 1st. Grand Prix was also based on a true story.
That's over the course of a 2 hour race, when the difference in speed between the fastest and slowest car is about 1-2 seconds per lap on a 3 minute lap.
Nobody passes another car like they're standing still. But, often a better car can brake just a bit harder and get better position on a corner. Or it can go just a bit faster on the straight and be half a car-length ahead at the end of the straight.
The way these things are depicted in movies is more like the races you sometimes see where it's a pro racing driver vs 100 amateurs.
I'm referring more to the way it was depicted in the film. He just ripped by everybody, even on the straights. IRL, coming up from the rear is a long battle. Also, I'm pretty sure the plot of the movie was entirely fictional.
To underscore @ZoteTheMighty@lemmy.zip and @ohulancutash@feddit.uk's points, the come-from-behind aspect of seriously awesome driver is not to be underestimated.
For example, there was some recent competition (Mythbusters? Can't find it in my history right now). In the competition, Hamilton (Verstappen? One of those badasses) was in a racing kart, all weighted to come up equally. The F1 driver was at the absolute rear of the grid, yet managed to beat everyone far under all analysts guesses.
It was Verstappen, and it was just a Red Bull publicity event broadcast on Disney+.
Thats not implausible at all. A bad start would mean a fast car is artificially behind in the order. It would then just be a matter of catching up to the backmarkers and getting through them quickly.
You have to see the movie and how it was depicted...
Man, I have no interest in racing but that was a great film. Just perfect execution.
The power to drop the hammer was inside of us all along.
