All rts are Dune.

But yeah. Or how anything hack and slash is now “Souls like”

Im pretty sure that's the reason why. My group started on d&d because it's the default and so has a lot of resources available starting out for players and gms alike. We don't do d&d anymore and migrated to other systems after ending the campaign.

Fallout:Skylines

I can't even make a character without consulting three different rule books to optimize for role play.

God, it might just be the autism, but before my first ever session I learned so much about the rules I was helping the gm remember them in the session. I can't imagine going in to it, much less continuing to play, without having a firm grasp of at least the basic rules of encounters and skill checks

you don't skim the book before your first session!?

I hate the 21st century.

TennisForTwo-Likes

I finally bought it this summer when it went on sale, and I already am on my 7th playthrough. I think I’m somewhere around 750 hrs of playtime already.

Edit: oof, that’s a lot for 3 1/2 months

Oh you mean Shadowrun without magic and dragons?

I mean, people have different paths of entry into programming, lots of them started by making mods for their favorite game. And Lua is a great lightning-fast language with minimal footprint, excellent for interactive use-cases, that folks keep dismissing for no good reason.

I used to teach programming to young kids (like 8-12) as a summer job and never had a single kid complain about the difficulty or fail to learn. This was about a decade ago.

I recently tried teaching my cousin (9) using the same curriculum and it was nearly impossible. He didn't know how to turn his computer on or off and he didn't know what a file was or what "text" means. I basically had to root his Chromebook to install a competent text editor on it. Then every time the "computer" booted it said something like "press G to revert" in huge text for like a minute straight and I told him never to press it. Took like 2 hours to put the computer in a state where you could code on it, and next session after that it was reset. I was like "what happened to the computer?" and he said "it said to press G so I did"

Kids are fucked bro. I blame Google, Apple, and Microsoft for intentionally designing their software to prevent you from learning how computers work or how to use them. They don't want you developing any transferrable skills whatsoever. You used to learn all about computers just by using them and it was impossible not to...

There's a whole game studio here that just makes games and mods for Roblox. It really is kind of the example in the OP.

It’s not your fault. It’s an incredibly bad metaphor.

I played so much VtM and werewolf in high school and college. It was way better than 3.5. I even liked playing a human mortal vs vampires. Tricky to do it right, but I could hold my own

He's a strategy: get a copy of Microscope by Ben Robbins, and tell them you're going to use it to create the world/setting for your next campaign (this is something many people do). Once they've played, ask them to do a stars and wishes, see what they say (I would be extremely surprised if they don't love it).

Then point out that Microscope is a ttrpg, just a wildly different one to D&D, and that there are thousands of other games that do weird and interesting things with mechanics that most trad games can't even dream of doing (e.g. some examples: Everyone is John, Ten Candles, Fiasco, Wanderhome, We Are But Worms).

Viditya Voleti's A Land Once Magic is another good option that you can do this with, and it's a bit quicker and easier than Microscope.

I've been actively trying to get a group together in person for some World of Darkness for at least 5 years.

I’m convinced!

Only War had the party's imperial guard regiment as a full on 'character' that they made together, complete with stats and traits. Really cool system.

If you've beaten the game odds are your characters effectively were super heroes.

That would legitimately slap. Sadly, I feel like any company big enough to do the concept justice would be too risk-averse unless a big IP is attached.

Maybe a little https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Force_%282002_video_game%29

Check out the video game Freedom Force. It was such a great BG3 but superheros type game

You don't need to convince anyone, they're D&D players, they don't know dick about TTRPGs - literally run whatever you want and tell them you've made a few homebrew changes. They won't know the difference.

This is my current group, approached by bright-eyed first time D&D adventurers and I turned them all into haggard WFRP adventurers. d100 is a game changing argument btw

The mechanics aren't especially "nice". It has a lot of legacy jank (15 strength is what bonus?). 1d20+stuff vs target produces a flat probability, which is problematic.

it has a lot of assumptions deeply baked into the rules. You need the adventuring day, to rewrite all the powers, or sharply limit party composition, or it falls apart.

It's missing or has anemic offerings for whole subsystems - social conflict, meta game currency, succeed at a cost.

Character progression is very coarse. level up and a bunch of stuff happens at once. You can't make a character that has a shit load of sneak attack without also getting a bunch of HP and other rogue stuff.

The magic system is brittle and poorly defined. There's not really an expectation or system for players to make their own spells. You pick from a list. If you want to play a game about creating your own spells, it's going to provide little guidance. Also, most of the spells are about combat, with a handful about movement.

You can change rules, but after a certain point you're playing something unrecognizable as DND.

Most ttrpgs I’ve seen don’t play all that differently from DnD

Play more games. Even a basic traditional game like Vampire is a mind opener. No adventuring day. No levels. Social conflict. No attrition and resource management. These have a big impact on the experience.

d&d is kind of shit for almost everything. its only good for a narrow pulpy sword and sorcery adventure that asks no interesting questions.

and bitd/fitd is much better faster more adaptable for basically any pulp trash with like 5% adaptation.

d&d is unusable for intrigue or investigation that isn't fully railroad. the concept of the individual is so central, a player representing anything else is basically unplayable. there's almost no consideration for the theatrical or collaborative writing elements of the genre.

you just haven't played any interesting ttrpg's. you should!

I want you to look through the core rules and see how much of it you'd have to remove to reflect a non-violent, non-magical setting. And at that point, why are you still using D&D?

It's like minecraft in that it's hellishly ugly. And yeah, lots of rpgs play very differently than dnd. Or minecraft