Vegan is just not eating stuff from animal, someone's reasoning for that varies.

Veganism can also be about environmental impact. I'm vegetarian mostly because a meat based diet isn't sustainable on a global scale. While I'm obviously happy about the reduced suffering, it's importance is only in second place for me.

Tho maybe veganism is pretty much entirely for reducing animals suffering, I'm only a vegetarian and won't pretend to know for sure.

We are only just beginnig to understand what plants feel. They have hormons they have pain rezeptors they have a basic neural net.

To assume a plant would not suffer is a little outdated.

Even 20 Yeats ago it was already known that plants do feel pain. they inform surrounding plants about pain and they react to it.

Sheep aren't mean. Just very, very, very stupid.

I get it. It's like when nazis killed jews because they thought they are icky

Visually, yes.

However I’ve not met a mushroom that tastes and feels like beef. Impossible burgers get close but it’s far from a steak.

He's vegetarian not vegan. It's incredibly hard to be a vegan in korea, but it's very easy to be a vegetarian. The vast majority of halmeoni cooking your food over there basically equivocate vegetarianism and vegan to be the same thing. A lot of traditional foods have hidden animal products in it like shrimp paste for seasoning.

I once tried talking to my like 85 year old Korean granny about it and she strongly explained to me that things like krill were more like plants than animals, which in some ways is kinda true.

That’s slightly less fun. I’ll eat a pig or a chicken or a cow but octopodes are too smart for me to eat.

But who plays Cypher in the Matrix in The Sopranos universe?

And Ralph's wig in The Sopranos is modelled on Christopher Nolan's hair when he was directing Memento, which also stars the same actor.

Yes I did mean veg and fruit, but I mean that obviously we need to eat but we need to do it in a sustainable and fair way.

Currently a lot of the produce in Canada & the US is grown by migrant labour where people are treated horribly. In Mexico, many of the agricultural production sites are owned by cartels. Quinoa used to be a primary food source for quechuan (peruvian indigenous) people but when it grew in popularity in the west, it became too expensive for those who depended on it. There are many more examples.

What there is to do about it is to demand better agricultural practices and support fair-trade, co-ops, and sustainable food vendors. In the same way we should be / are demanding cruelty-free and sustainable animal products.

Unless you are Jain or just want to die, we got to eat something.

That's the thing though, why should plants be more eligible for eating than animals? Both are living. Animals are closer to us, so we can understand them better, but that doesn't mean we aren't being just as harmful to plants.

I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with eating another animal for sustenance. Just the same as there isn't anything wrong with eating a plant for sustenance. What matters is what we do before we eat them.

In the UK there's a sweet maker called Candy Kittens. They make, like, vegan Haribo (only better) that tastes really really nice.

They've started making their own vegan peanut M&M's. Instead of chocolate they use a shit ton of palm oil.

It's "ethically sourced" palm oil, but that's still a sour thought after you've devoured a whole bag of tasty sweet treats in one sitting. It's still increasing the market capacity for palm oil, which in turn increases demand to destroy habitats eg orangutans in Indonesia and other SE Asian islands.

TL;DR palm oil is vegan.

Genuinely which ones? Everything I can think of is better than meat. Largely because the cows eat a lot of food in the first place with most of it being wasted.

Should our biology dictate our morality?

Should evolutionary proximity dictate our morality?

We understand animals, because they are closer to us than plants. But plants are also living creatures. The fact is, unless you photosynthesise, every large living being has to consume another to survive.

I think the choice is much more complex than meat vs vegan. I think it comes down to farming practices, particularly industrial farming which min/maxes everything and cuts corners as much as they can get away with to save on cost.

Palm oil is vegan. Yet palm oil farming is the cause of a great deal of habitat and species loss. Palm oil is quietly used in a lot of vegan food.

I doubt its even an online thing, it's just an edgelord thing.

Ethiopian veggies are great but yebeg wot is on a different level.

There's tasty vegan food for sure hut there's usually a slightly tastier horrifically unethical alternative.

I agree with op, I think vegans are right, I basically support them but ain't converting. Realizing they were right on food made me a lot less angry that other people don't feel the same way I do about sweatshop clothes and they, like me are doing their best. Some prioritise animals in tortorous conditions, others prioritise kids in poor ones, others look after drug addled first worlders, everyone's got their own moral priorities.

That is definitely not the case. Most meat alternatives are still pretty awful

I get sick from a lot of foods. Don't get me wrong, I tried it for six months and have never felt sicker. Can't have wheat, lentils are poison. I don't want to live a life of rice and beans, granted I love beans and rice (I get fancy Hokkaido rice). Gourds/pumpkins/etc have too much sugar. I don't want to take supplements. Constantly being hungry wasn't fun either.

So it's not as I don't eat vegetables--onions, garlic, cucumbers, tomatoes, leeks, eggplant, potatoes. But I have to have meat and cheese. I loved making salads until earlier this year... hence my user name.

When I would bike 30 miles a day, I didn't want to eat a box spaghetti. Like cool my roommate said yeah just do that, I just got a burger halfway. Also the cold makes you a furnace; I mentioned this in another post.

One aspect is that, I lived in places that had ethical farming. And you would take responsibility for a life you take. This goes further than animals.