Holy fuck are you computer nerds ok?
(midwest.social)
ChapotraphouseSomeone needs to force licensure on you motherfuckers
Ragebait. These tools are only capable enough to generate acceptable code since about a year tops.
Tech bros being so hostile against unions because they think they're so much better than the lowly labourers with their amazing wages and job security is really biting them in the ass now. Not sure if even a strong union could stop the AI shit from happening everywhere, but at least the mass layoffs could've been fought against
A lot of tech workers are given stocks as part of compensation too so their interest is affected by that, too.
Strong unions, amazing wage labourers? Where do I find that?
Pretty much the case for every junior developer I know atm. It sucks for them because the business demand they create at the pace of a senior or lead but they never get to learn.
Being a junior developer means being a negative productivity part of the team for a year or more until trained well enough to start delivering things at pace. Most juniors i work with are struggling to produce anything coherent with AI and i can for the most part output quicker with my eyes closed typing with one hand but thats because I know what im doing. They will never get to the point of knowing because the demand is they instantly outsource their brain to a robot which at that point if the task is copy paste a ticket description why wouldnt i just do that myself?
Whats gonna happen is the talent pipeline to becoming a knower of things is basically just going to stop and then there will be no developers anymore. Its also doubly sad because training juniors up is my favourite aspect of the job because its the only part that brings actual real joy and material benefit to a human being.
Whats gonna happen is the talent pipeline to becoming a knower of things is basically just going to stop and then there will be no developers anymore.
If things go as advertised, which I think will thankfully be impossible due to so much of the Super Intelligence being snake oil. Fingers crossed that this is all just a very costly setback and that people who enjoy software dev will be able to continue to do so.
Hopefully. Im getting bored of devs telling me that writing code is redundant and basically telling me im some old fuddy for actually wanting to hand write code. Whats the rush for? Nobody is gonna give a shit how many features you ship in your life.
Why write code by hand for an hour when you can spend 3 hours getting Claude to instantly spit out subtly wrong code while saying, "you are absolutely right" to your critiques and still not fixing it?
Half the fun of writing code is spending hours coming up with a plan, building a skeleton, then implementing something, only to find a better way to do stuff during that process and scrap the original idea.
I hand write everything because all my code is directly used by my non programmer co-workers for design and drafting automation. I usually keep my tooling to ~200 lines just because that's an amount of code that can be easily read on a single (vertical) screen.
I've had a couple folks try their hand at it and they'll somehow re-implement the entire backend with bonkers functions then have a final business logic script that's 1k lines. It also almost never works since testing integrated design tooling requires you to actually do drafting and data analysis work. Something the LLMs are very incapable of doing.
I usually keep my tooling to ~200 lines just because that's an amount of code that can be easily read on a single (vertical) screen.
Meanwhile me a few days ago: "I'm copy pasting this one line about a hundred times because I'm way to lazy to try and put functions inside an array without the old ass compiler complaining."
Unrolling doesn't count, that's clear. 1000 lines hitting 5-10 levels of indirection when the whole process could have been done with like 2 levels, or utilizing some existing abstractions.
Whats gonna happen is the talent pipeline to becoming a knower of things is basically just going to stop and then there will be no developers anymore.
Whats gonna happen is the talent pipeline to becoming a knower of things is basically just going to stop and then there will be no developers anymore.
Steve Balmer will be devastated
In the fable of John Henry vs. the steam driller, he had to work himself to death to produce faster than the machine and beat it in a race. But a tunnel's a tunnel and the rail baron was able to ride through the steam driller one just fine.
If the steam driller couldn't actually drill and just painted a fake but convincing enough tunnel on the side of a cliff, Henry wouldn't have had to work himself so hard. If the rail baron dies in a tragic train wreck because it crashed into painted cliffside, people will still want trains and trains will need tunnels to get through mountains.
tech bro getting in a coding competition against AI and winning but all the really fast typing gives him carpal tunnel syndrome and he can't jork anymore
bootcamp
That'll be why. He spent 6 weeks learning "how to code" (follow a youtube tutorial) 2 years back, then immediately stopped using the skills he didnt already have.
It's like learning to cook from a hello fresh trial subscription then buying takeout for the next two years. You're not gonna remember how to cook because you hadn't even started to learn!
Eh, if he had 7 years of work experience before starting to use the slopper I doubt the bootcamp had much to do with it.
Oh that's what 8YOE meant smh.
My exaggeration aside, the point moreso was that the understanding of fundamentals you get from these re-skilling farms is capped off.
If you were lucky your employer treated that like an apprentice scheme, but many just saw bootcamps as a way to systemically depress wages to avoid outsourcing to Asia. We have an industry that is still treated like a highly academic field, but in practice a massive chunk are simply the reserve army of labour who were never expected to remember more than the basics, and with LLMs those basics can be deferred to someone else until you've forgotten those too.
This is something I experienced in part. Software development is a skill that you will very quickly lose if you stop doing the hard parts. My employer demanded more and more code produced faster and faster. Tokenmaxxing bullshit. I felt myself degrading and worked very hard to reacquire the skills I was being forced to lose.
I like messing with old flip phones.
Qualcomm BREW is, without any doubt, up there in the top 10 worst operating systems of all time. It's definitely up in the top 5 pieces of software I viciously hate.
It's 200% spaghetti code.
Needless to say the development experience is ✨TERRIBLE!✨ Everything is done in the most ass-backwards ways you can imagine, stuff like the printf engine thingy is broken and doesn't even support most formatter arguments, and there's no protections in place.
No memory paging here folks! Something like a double free will immediately fuck up the entire operating system.
Development is a pretty hellish experience.
Which is annoying because having my own stuff running on my LG VX10000 is so SO satisfying! But you know, AuDHD, so I hyperfixate on it every couple months.
But, yeah, my skills with that platform do atrophy! I have to refresh myself on stuff whenever I get back into it.
In a similar position over here. Unfortunately ive taken to doing some hobby projects for this, which is fun but also chews into time I could be doing more important things.
Human in the loop (of bottomless helplessness)
So it looks like ai still can't take over white collar jobs.
Lol get owned nerd.
