fuck trucks rule
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196And that's a pretty big hatchback.
Favorite one I had was an 85 Silverado which was basically a bench seat with a bed attached.
Had to bring my current vehicle to get patched up and they loaned me some monstrosity that I as a 6'+ dude needed to use the steps and handles to get into and wouldn't fit in the garage with half the cargo space of that 85.
Anyone claiming necessity for those things is clearly over-compensating.
if they are on diesel, they are getting pretty fucked currently
Deservedly.
Why don't we all start keying these things? They are murder machines designed to kill children or frail people in a low speed pedestrian collision with their high hoods, if people want that luxury I should be able to key their truck.
Everybody thinks a high front hood looks cool, the reason the rest of us don't buy vehicles like this is because we are adults and don't make stupid decisions that will end up with children dying simply because of our aesthetic desires and need to perform our gender.
Why don’t we all start keying these things?
or, use government to pass laws to restrict the size of vehicles used for non commercial purposes.
We just need a weight based vehicle registration. The more your apartment building on wheels weighs, the more you have to pay to keep it legal for road use. The tax is justified as well. Heavier vehicles cause more road wear/tear.
That would penalize EVs, which I suppose is fair if you're trying to account for wear and tear on the road.
Though I have thought a lot about something like this for Montreal. Currently, our parking vignettes are priced according to your vehicle's engine size.
This leads to funny situations where a Mazda 3 with a 2.5L Skyactiv engine is getting absolutely fucked while a big ass 2.0T SUV is paying less in vignette fees.
I went from an Elantra with a 2.0L engine to a K4 with a 1.6T engine, and my sportier K4 costs me less in vignette fees than my slow Elantra. The reasoning is that the SAAQ only exposes the engine size on the registration papers rather than the dimensions and weight of the vehicle, but I still think it's stupid.
There is nothing preventing having slightly different weight classes for ICE and EVs. The latter shouldn't get a free pass but battery weight should be considered. In Some country that is already the case that EVs have slightly different weight based rules.
It's about vehicle weight. Drivetrain type dosnt matter.
Not all EVs are heavy, just the SUV tanks they sell in NA.
EVs are generally heavier than their ICE counterparts due to their battery pack. Energy density isn't something EVs beat ICE on yet.
Well yeah that would be preferable definitely!
Best we can do is create back-asswards EPA fuel economy regulations that end up encouraging manufacturers to make ever-larger trucks instead of more fuel efficient trucks.
Dude, some of us need trucks, like actually hauling loads around several times a week, and it fucking sucks that there isn’t any choice in the design currently. Don’t key some poor souls car who’s just trying to make do with what’s available. Slate and Telo might actually save us here. I really can’t wait to “downgrade” to a Telo. I just hope they actually make it to market and succeed.
several times a week
Bold claim, most certainly don't and it's easier to rent one of those things to attach.
isn't any choice
have you heard of kei trucks and "mini-"lorries? (They're not mini, just normally sized).
I just want my 1999 Frontier back, with an EV engine in it. Why is this so hard? Why is the current Frontier the same size as the original Titan?
I know that and yet paradoxically this is literally what everyone who owns a pickup truck says.
We’ll see how many of us put our money where our mouth is when actual smaller options hit the market. Both Slate and Telo are about to actually start delivery, maybe. Won’t believe it till I see it.
Sure and honestly there are obviously reasons for a large pickup especially because the market is dumb as hell but also...
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The high hood is murderous and pointless from a utility perspective, which is fundamentally contradictory to the concept of the vehicle as a utility focused vehicle.
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The crash ratings for the back seats in many older pickups are not safe for kids, there is a reason SUVs have a longer passenger compartment size....
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These vehicles put everyone in danger around them, including the passengers because even with the miracles of modern brake technology they can't stop fast on slippery conditions and they cannot swerve at high speed without going out of control or rolling over leaving your only option to smash into thing and hope you kill it more than it kills you... my point is even when these vehicles have a function they still involve an individual placing everyone around them in danger through their use.
Compare an american pickup hood to the hood of this utility van, the hood of this van still has to go up very quickly to eventually reach the roof line but even still you can see it was thoughtfully designed to maximize visibility while also making the most likely pedestrian collision one where the person is hit lowdown and falls onto the hood rather than under the vehicle.
This one is better, of course the "problem" is that it doesn't look like a RAM because... it was designed purposefully to be a BAD battering ram???
Even still that hood shape still doesn't gurantee a pedestrian strike couldn't happen higher up on the head or upper chest. This is the entire reason for the sedan like pronounced nose in the first place right??!?
All pickup truck designers did was look at that and think "yeah but that looks lame, we need to raise the hood more" until they made another vertical wall that the driver now can't see over..... it is so dumb it makes my head hurt.
https://alexandriainjuryattorney.com/blog/pick-up-truck-blind-spots/
This article about blindspots is a good visual example of the problem in that they are both expressions of the same fundamental geometric stupidity of american pickup truck hoods, the same reason the make it easy to run over kids by accident makes them more likely to kill them on contact in an accident that might otherwise have been totally survivable. It is pretty hard to lethally impact someone in their lower body, it is frighteningly easy to lethally impact someone in the head or their upper chest.
As someone who likes to do my own car maintenance, those high hoods look like hell. I’m average height and I’d probably need a damn stepladder to change the oil.
Stepladders are now common in service centres.
There is no engineering reason those hoods have to be so high. Buyers like the road intimidation effect that screams, PAYLOAD. HURRRRRR.
It is also funny when people lift their work trucks, landscapers do this a lot.
I will always have a memory of me at the dump with a tiny 90s toyota pickup bed full of heavy brush wrestling with it next to a landscaper with a lifted dodge ram who was doing the same thing but every single thing they lifted they had to reach up and into the bed of their truck as opposed to me where I just picked the awkward bundles of brush up at a comfortable waist level....
I will never not find it hilarious that bros are always lifting their trucks to go offroad too and yet in terms of offroad capability the most important thing for clearance is the differentials ("pumpkins") on the axles which can get easily smashed... and lifting your truck doesn't change the height of those....
So now your allignment is probably fucked, who knows how breaking mechanics have changed at highway speed!? your suspension is no longer set up for the vehicle you have because you changed it.... and you have taken a machine thousands of people very carefully set up to make it work nicely together and jacked a random variable way off that erases all of that and messes with systems in the vehicle you can't even begin to predict off the top of your head.
edit oh yeah and the single most important thing about technical offroading beyond the basic requirements in suspension and drivetrain is the length of the wheelbase of the vehicle, long wheelbase vehicles are fundamentally severely limited offroad because they constantly bottom out, so modern large pickup trucks fail atrociously at the offroad step on design principles alone. A short wheelbase 2 door jeep wrangler is infinitely superior offroad to a long wheelbase pickup.
It also makes it so if you hit an old lady at 17mph the hood hits her in the upper chest or head and kills her instantly vs. a normal car that would hit her at the waist non-fatally and scoop her up unto the hood.
I am so tired of people driving these murder machines, they also tend to speed in them and these are the absolute worst vehicles to speed in both for the survival of the driver (some of these trucks like Ford F250s, the roof was made super light to reduce rollover risk in safety tests which means the roof doesn't survive rollovers) and everyone else around them.
literally this weekend I saw an accident where a tiny Karen in a lifted F150 hit a cement curb of boulevard at 60km/hr, ripping off the front suspension. I was first on scene, she said she didn't see the boulevard.
I'm sure she'll sort it out with the road's manager.
Oh yeah I can't imagine how difficult maintenance would be with such a tall engine bay. I also like to do my own maintenance, very easy on a car like mine.
I like your line of thinking. Work truck should look like a work truck. Worn.
The driver probably wouldn't even be able to see my K4 in traffic to the right of him, let alone a bicycle, or 18 children sitting in a row in front of the hood.
I very specifically got a hatchback / wagon because I wanted cargo space and pedestrian safety. Not that I intend to hit pedestrians, but we also don't have airbags with the intention to get into a collision.
Also, the designer of the Dodge Ram, the truck that arguably started this trend, stated that he wanted the truck to look like a fist moving through the air. Uh, yup, that is indeed what that is, a weapon.
Over 13 years ago, before the hoods were quite this high, I had a pickup truck roll into the back of my car because he couldn't see me (was coming out of "Event" parking, so barely moving).
Massive skill issue on that guy's part.
Yeah I was thinking of that lol
Why don’t we all start keying these things? They are murder machines
Because (at least in the US) their owners are also murder machines. So you'd have to be pretty committed to your cause.
Nah they are infuriatingly normal people who are being allowed to think their choice of driving a massive pickup is normal or acceptable.
Everyone thinks they need them.
Bit of a naive take. Seems like people here assume everyone lives in a densely populated urban area and people only buy trucks as a status symbol or something and maybe use it seldomly for trips to homedepot.
It’s honestly bizarre to me just how out of touch with reality this is…
It’s honestly bizarre to me just how out of touch with reality this is…
Explain to me why the large construction project parking site outside my window is full of pickups. They are only used to commute to the site, for actual work, they use company vehicles.
Of all the choices for a work vehicle, pickups are the dumbest choice, which is why real contractors use vans.
It's all trades cosplay, fueled by tax rules that push trades to buy heavy trucks. So all they money they save in tax, they can spend in fuel.
You’re saying these tradecraft don’t use their personal trucks to haul shit outside of their day job?
Tradey here! Work vans are absolutely not the best work vehicle; it's highly dependent on the trade/style of work. Not sure why this is so often repeated.
The rest is fairly accurate.
This is literally what EVERY PERSON WHO HAS A TRUCK SAYS.
Sure some of you are right, I don't give a fuck what someone drives in the middle of nowhere Wyoming, but you can't all be right since I see these stupid, murderous vehicles ALL OF THE TIME around me in densely populated areas.
According to the numbers everybody pretty much does live in densely populated areas, the percentage of the population of humans that lives in rural areas is tiny compared to the population that lives in more densely populated areas. This is a basic mathematical reality you are ignoring.
edit if this comes off like I am bashing rural places or their needs, I am not, honestly people can have all the pickups they want in the middle of nowhere in wide open spaces with almost nobody around, nothing about my anger really has anthing to do with that.
This is literally what EVERY PERSON WHO HAS A TRUCK SAYS.
I just find it amusing honestly. Would you expect a continuation of the circlejerk?
I have a car that I drive until I need to use my truck…which I do often as I’m in the middle of building a two story off-grid cabin.
It always just seems like sheltered urbanites screaming into a void when the topic ever arises here. Blanket statements, black and white suggestions, and the incapability to understand why one might own a truck.
Many people don’t need trucks, but many do. Calling them all stupid because you don’t have a need for one says more about you than them.
Try putting a quad in the back of a van and tell me how it goes.
It always just seems like sheltered urbanites screaming into a void when the topic ever arises here. Blanket statements, black and white suggestions, and the incapability to understand why one might own a truck.
That is because you don't realize how small of a portion of the population lives in cities vs. rural areas. I have literally already stated how people who are in rural areas are not the problem with pickups inherently because the vast majority of human beings live in cities/urban areas. Think about the logic here, it is natural for you to feel this way given most of the people online are going to statistically at a fundamental level be people who live in more urban areas than you do and experience annoying things that you do not daily as you live in a different type of area that is uncommon for people to live in. That is cool! Keep living in the woods, I love the woods, but please stop pretending like I am talking past people like you when I am not. You are talking past me and not listening to my words.
Calling them all stupid because you don’t have a need for one says more about you than them.
This is also literally what everyone responds with a pickup too, it must be in the manual!
Try putting a quad in the back of a van and tell me how it goes.
Isn't that basically how most non-street legal racing vehicles are moved? I mean sure a pickup is fine for that, so is a trailer even though it is more annoying... but this is all entirely missing the point of what I am saying.
Picture taken in a densely populated area.
And trucks do not need to be that tall, we used to have trucks the size of my car with just as big of a bed.
Heck, we used to tow big RVs with sedans.
Yeah, I get that for sure.
There are three things at work here
- Crash safety standards… the reason why most vehicles have gotten slightly larger
- People wanting an all in one vehicle (unfortunately it’s sales that drive design on this front)
- Towing capacity (in this case). An F250 is a benchmark when it comes to heavy hauling. People that buy these things and don’t use the tow capacity are dumb. It’s a shit ride without a load since it’s…designed for hauling.
Right, the F250 is basically a small semi in disguise, you can even put a fifth wheel in the bed to tow campers and whatnot.
Problem is that a lot of people get these for "work", but then literally never tow anything with it bigger than what a Ford Ranger can tow.
#1 doesn't explain the whole story, but yes, part of it is because American auto manufacturers, and NHTSA crash testing, focuses way too much on occupant safety. So does the IIHS to a lesser extent. Peak individualism.
#2 is true, people want their vehicles to do hypothetical things as a virtue signal, but it's like getting a jeep and literally never taking it off road except to jump a curb at your local Tim Hortons because the queue was too long. When I need a pickup truck... I rent a pickup truck. Wow! And save money the rest of the year and enjoy my sporty compact hatchback that is comfortable and is way cheaper on gas and safer for everyone around me.
Even in Canada, those mfs can be insane.
