Liberals telling socialists that their "heart is in the right place" is definitely a new sentence. A hilarious one.

This is a socialist and anarchist instance. Almost nobody here is simply against "two party politics". The common understanding is that bourgeois electoralism is largely farcical because all bourgeois party activity, and really the wider "political" class system, is beholden to capital, not the voters. The two party politics and disenfranchisement angle is just bourgeois electoralism becoming less competent as a form of social control through the illusion of choice. The illusion itself is simply less tenable than when they seem to actually fight over what their strategists seem "marginal" issues. Bourgeois electoralism is cannibalizing itself bit by bit, failing to keep up the game, because it isn't fully satisfying the needs of capital.

The US has been fascistic for nearly its entire existence. Built on genocide, settler colonialism, chattel slavery, war, regional domination, then world domination via imperialism. Its modem "descent" into fascism is more about giving up the aforementioned bourgeois electoral game than a dramatic material change in what it does internally or abroad. And it's not adopting naked fascistic rhetoric because folks here recognize the blood on Democratic party operatives' hands, including literal genocide. In fact, trying to ignore and downplay that as a failing is, itself, actually fascistic.

The workable way around this situation, and it is a difficult struggle, is to organize, educate, and build power outside the bourgeois electoral system. Bourgeois electoralism is, again, a powerful form of social control that defines politics as only elections and then gives you basically no power to do anything with them. In contrast, nearly all major liberatory changes are the direct result of organized mass movements, including in the US. Slavery was ended by war and untenable opposing economic forces. The civil rights movement was riots and direct action, not "just take it to the voting booth" (imagine that). The education is key, Americans know nothing except a tepid miseducation in history, politics, and even the societies they live in. But they won't just come over and say, "educate me please": organizations spend their time figuring out how to engage and grow through it, including getting people into educational sessions of various forms.

"Splitting the blue vote" for what. Who gives a shit about blue. The ones who fomented, started, ran cover for genocide in Palestine? I'm supposed to be concerned when they get fewer votes because they're awful? You have politics completely inverted. Rather than figuring out how you can support awful people and awful things, determine how to work against them.

what you are doing is splitting the Blue vote and accepting Trumpers as the winner.

No I am not, what I'm doing is urging for the USian population to finally see the light and stop voting for two genocide candidates, and instead build power themselves so a revolution can happen. That in itself would make the world 10000x better as we from the global south wouldn't need to keep worrying about the USian boot, or their big stick, in our neck all the time.

Your point isn't worth the extra death youre causing with this naïve approach.

What extra death? The Democrats could turn abortion into law any time, but they never did, do you know what their inaction does? It leads poor woman to illegal clinics to get an abortion, which results in a high percentage of them either getting sick or dying. The Democrats could have not sent any money to Israel to further escalate their genocide campaign on the Palestinians to begin with, but they kept sending money, it's almost like we here are right and both are just imperialist parties, who would have guessed??

You don't need me to remind you that Biden said that if there wasn't an Israel, the USA would have to invent an Israel, just like you don't need me to remind you that Obama drone striked a kid named Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, and that he started a whole ass war when he made the US invade Libya. This shit is so blatant even NATOpedia can't deny it.

We want the same things.

You sure about that?

Fascism is imperialism turned inward when capitalism is in decay.

The US will continue down the fascist path because of structural and material forces, not because of how people think.

The only other viable outcome that avoids fascism is civil war.

Now try and think of an actual reply to what I wrote, which was not about dunking on the libs but about explaining you the purely electoral logic of conditioning your vote on a premise in order to correct deviations in the party you purportedly support.

By its very definition, "vote blue NO MATTER WHO" is explicitly about letting go of control, and commending yourself to anything the democrats will do. If you argue otherwise that democrat voters are in control of policy, you're saying that democrat voters are enforcing the policy of genocide. Are you in control and enforcing genocide? Or are you out of control of democrat policy?

Punishing a party withholding your vote and explaining your reasons IS a method of participation in US "democracy"

Or vote democrat and let the republicans keep doing what they're doing.

I'm going to vote for Democrats that don't contribute to or incite genocide. They're good enough.

But if a Democrat supports Israel, or regurgitates anti-trans shit, or wants to increase the lethality of our military, or wants to increase police funding, or wants to increase "security on our border", or any of that genocidal shit? They don't get my vote, because if I vote for them it will increase their power in the Democratic Party.

The Democrats you vote for will change the Democratic Party to be more like them. Make sure to only elect good ones.