90% of "vote blue no matter who" discourse on lemmy
(midwest.social)
MemesI see a lot of "leftists don't even care about Palestinians! They just secretly want trump to win! Who cares about a couple people on the other side of the planet? Vote blue no matter who!" on .world and its truly sickening watching these right wing chuds do their vice signalling so they can keep getting their treats.
This post is just a circlejerk to make you (the community in general) feel better. It's not centrist or far-right to reasonably think third parties have little chance in national elections. Start with your local elections and get progessives in or even run yourself if you care so much.
It’s not centrist or far-right to reasonably think third parties have little chance in national elections.
Sure, but I don't fight against the Hitlers because I think I'm going to win. I fight against Hitlers because they are both fucking evil.
We believe in organizing as the primary means of achieving change, voting is just a very small part of what we do, but if these politicians want our votes shouldn't they appeal to us? Our comrades in the US have a simple demand, no more genocide, no more wars, you don't give us that much, you don't get our vote. Or, if we're so insignificant we can be ignored, then don't removed about us not voting for you when you lose. Either way, it seems like being 99% hitler as opposed to 100% hitler isn't good enough to win elections anymore, and that's a good thing.
Absolutely. That's why I include voting in primaries. I'd rather us have 0% hitler. But when the two choices (in practice) are 100% hitler and 99% hitler, I'd still prefer to have 1% less hitler. And it shouldn't mark someone as 100% hitler to feel that way.
Trolley-problem-ass poster. So fucking embarrassing.
For everyone else, dialectical materialism.
"If we're going to have Hitler, I'd rather the Hitler that preserves the long term stability and power of the Reich"
It still shows a complete lack of solidarity with the rest of marginalized people, including those being ethnically cleansed inside the US, and to those being bombed, droned, sanctioned, starved, etc abroad. Sanders is a liberal Zionist, AOC is pro-imperialism in Latin America, and even Mamdani conceded a lot of nonsense to the right, even agreeing with gusanos that Cuba and Venezuela are dictatorships, doing his part in normalizing the atrocities we see now there by the US government. Mamdani is the best of the bunch by far and he's still bad to us.
All three of those politicians are Zionists btw.
Imagine getting this triggered over a comic calling some undefined person similar to Hitler. What a way to tell on yourself
The comic? No. But I can see the sentiment based on the comments of the post.
Sure Adolf
Something something fishhook
just don't vote because everyone sucks!
Or...
And hear me out for a second...
Don't be a shitstain
There's actually plenty of decent political parties out there for you to support
oh brother, I wish. I'm from a country with only one party. just wishing that US will vote out their shitheads. yeah, I understand that they suck too, honestly, but let's be real for a second. last time everyone boycotted harris we got THIS, was it worth it after all?
Well, Harris was the one that chose this. She had the easiest election I've ever seen, and she gave it all up to keep supporting a Genocide.
And you immediately turn around and say that we should support her, and her party?
No thanks.
Considering that AIPAC has become radioactive, war with Iran is unpopular and people like you have to at least pretend like they give a fuck about genocide, ICE, queer people, the environment and all the other stuff, yeah, seems like it actually is a better strategy to make demands of politicians instead of unconditionally voting.
And you people always do this weird thing where you make the democratic party out to be much better than it is. So weird. Who are you trying to lie to? Me, or yourself?
THIS was the actual democratic party candidate
Chicago Police has had "black sites" for decades
Ferguson Riot leaders were assassinated and disappeared under Obama in a dem city with a dem governor [2]
American police used to (and still does) torture detainees [2]
Biden deported more than Trump 1
Biden expanded the concentration camps [2]
Biden was planning on doing mass deportations using ICE as well
Not to mention democrats are working with the republicans
dude, I'm not reading all of that. and what do you mean by "people like you"?
Morons. They're talking about morons. Like you.
no u
Most literate shitlib
I want to keep Hitler out of power, but if that means I have to read and learn, I'll just let him win.
Pathetic, but that is what I expected of you. No one can believe what you believe and also be a person who is informed about the world around them.
Huzzah! Let's fold our arms and pout which let's the authoritarians who want a monarchy back win.
I guess being a serf is good enough for about 40% of Americans.
Did this comment look good in your head?
The truth is that reform has never freed an oppressed people in the history of womankind. Your imperialist bias is gross.
"I'm ok with fascist genocide, but I draw the line at monarchy"
Or make a new better country without the slavery and genocide?
And how? I'm honestly curious. I'm not saying voting is perfect, but at least it's better than doing nothing and letting the worse evil win.
NonconfrontationaI: "You should redo your country so that it's not evil"
You: "OK, so you are saying that we should do nothing?!?"
If literal fucking genocide is bipartisan consensus, the lesser evil will be whoever is least competent.
Don't you have laws against tyranny literally baked into your constitution? Pretty sure you guys could get 2 or 3 guns each and make the government whatever the fuck you wanted, but your treats are still pacifying the populace.
Not mine, I'm not from the US. That's another reason why I'm honestly asking and not just trolling.
And I'm honestly answering, they have more guns than people and a boner for the constitution
I think Trump is bad because of his policies, not because he has a shitty tan. So I won't be voting for the democrats either, sorry.
By not participating you're letting others win.
Good thing I am participating then
Yeah well actually I think you’re Hitler for disagreeing with ME. So how about that?
I do not consider someone Hitler for disagreeing with me, I consider them to be akin to Hitler if they: Support things like: genocide; concentration camps; expansion of the police state; mass surveillance; imperialism; persecution of minorities; the MIC; the slavery complex; and similar causes.
so you are against both the American Nazi party (it actually exists and Republicans fund then) as well as the Israeli supporters?
Sure. I also hate MAGA, which gets funding from the democratic party [2] [3] [4] and I hate ICE and their concentration camps which were expanded by Democrats as well. [2]
so vote blue till all red are gone. then vote green till the rest are gone.
"I boil politics down to team colors. I am very smart."
so vote blue till all red are gone.
"Just keep doing the same thing that hasn't worked for 200 years"
It's been working great for the capitalists. They just made a trillionaire!
My issue with the republican party is not their choice of party color, but their policies. Therefore I have exactly the same issues with the democratic party. Further entrenching it is the worst thing I could do. Especially when the democratic party is also helping the republican party.
Voting unconditionally for any party is high up on the list of "worst political moves" as well, so I'm definitely not going to do that.
no one will vote for the extreme leftist parties. but if we vote for democrats who are in reality moderates, we can at least keep the worst of the rapists, pedophiles, nazis, and Israeli puppets out of government. then we can work on getting rid of democrats.
Republicans (red) are a united party while leftist groups are split between democrats (blue) and true leftists (green). this gives power to Republicans.
If you are too blind to see that... your vote for a party that cannot win in the short term... is just really a vote for nazis, pedophiles, rapists, and genocide lovers.
Okay, I decided to give you another chance and came back to read the rest
but if we vote for democrats who are in reality moderates
wow, you're the meme. I am afraid of getting an aneurysm from reading the rest of your fascist doublethink "genocide is moderate we have to vote for the democrats so we can get rid of the extreme republicans because they're doing genocide" line of argument.
Republicans (red) are a united party while leftist groups are split between democrats (blue) and true leftists (green). this gives power to Republicans.
Well, again, (you really seem to struggle with reading what I write, I have to repeat myself quite a lot. Are you okay? Do you have a trusted adult or some sort of DNC botfarm handler you can talk to?), my issue with the republicans is not that they are republican it is their policies, which are similar to the democrats, so one party or the other in power is the same to me. The less power I can give them the better, so I won't vote for either.
your vote for a party that cannot win in the short term… is just really a vote for nazis, pedophiles, rapists, and genocide lovers.
By your logic a vote for the dems is a vote for the republicans. My vote is apparently what makes the difference between the democrats winning or losing. I will not vote for them. With you knowing that, you voting for democrats is just another vote for republicans, since the democrats won't win.
Furthermore you seem to be stuck in a weird limbo, oscillating between short and long term thinking - depending on what most benefits your rhetorical position. Voting third party is bad because they won't win in the short term. We have to vote for democrats, even though that means accepting genocidal fascism in the short torm, due to some undefined long term goal.
If I have to accept the unacceptable (genocide) in the short term anyway, I might as well go for an actually cogent long-term plan that hasn't been shown to fail - which "vote for the democrats and push them left" and "vote for the democrats AND THEN organize" have been shown to do. Following your strategy we've come to a place where, according to you, not committing a genocide is seen as an "extreme leftist position". Seems like a pretty shit strategy.
I'm going to invest my resources (and my votes) with an actually principled leftist party and use elections as a means of building momentum, while understanding the electoral system is inherently flawed.
Judging by the fact that democrats lost to trump twice, they're not voting for them either, lmao.
Blah blah blah you think "dont commit genocide" is an extreme leftist position, so I won't waste my time reading the rest of your wordsalad
"exterminating entire races is actually moderate"
your vote for a party that cannot win in the short term… is just really a vote for nazis, pedophiles, rapists, and genocide lovers.
Kamala couldn't win in the short term, so if you voted for her, you voted for nazis, pedophiles, rapists, and genocide lovers.
Though it's fucking stupid to say that not voting for nazis, pedophiles, rapists, and genocide lovers is actually voting for them, but literally voting for them in the form of democrats isn't.
These dudes are pretending they are andor and think that replying their drivel to us is like saving the rebellion. All this while they sit at home on the computer.
You know America is the empire in any Star wars analogy? Food for thought!
I haven't seen your shitty star wars show btw, the entire franchise can be explained as: two and a half good movies.
"I boil down politics down to Star Wars series. I am very smart."
What answer are you expecting with this question? Do you think it's a gotcha, lol?
I'm not the guy you asked the question to. The answer is fuck both, and the entire country too, lol. In the country's 250 year history you were only able to keep yourselves from not engaging in war for 20 years.
I'm pretty sure 20 years is an overestimate, and more than half of those years the USA was engaged in violent racialized slavery and indigenous genocide.
Great point! Plus all the covert and classified death and destruction we'll never know about.
but your response tells me all I need to know about you.
Go back to Reddit you insufferable fucking dork
So basically anyone who works in the United States is Hitler?
Because by working you literally support those things.
I am being somewhat facetious. Y’all are just being self righteous with this spam kind of post. Virtue signaling nonsense to make yourself feel better.
Do you mean by paying taxes or something like that?
Straw man nonsense.
I didn’t say we shouldn’t improve things I said this post is at best a circle jerk. Y’all are more alike to the Nazis than you think.
I think those are sticks, not straw
I said this post is at best a circle jerk.
You actually also didnt say that. I think you need to go to the doctor, youre hallucinating
I get it I’m like an upvote factory, I enjoy the retorts friend. Enjoy the free dopamine.
If you don't want to get dunked on for writing stupid shit , then don't write stupid shit. If you don't want to get dunked on by way of semantic pedantry, then don't be a semantic pedant. And consider changing your username, since you suck at banter
This reads like a bot that just goes down the list of tired redditisms.
Who is "y'all". That's quite the generalisation to make when making such a major accusation.
Anyway this entire conversation is idiotic. When talking about supportting certain things, unavoidable support like being born in a place and thus having to pay taxes was obviously not what was being discussed.
You should probably do some introspection rather than continuing to lash out.
Y’all are more alike to the Nazis than you think.
Please. Let's unpack that thought. Continue
By gradually normalizing radical hatred and exclusion through repetition and emotional appeals.
Not everyone who disagrees with you is equivalent to the most evil man on earth.
I am probably more left than you are, this shit is bad for any movement you support.
You guys are just like the Nazis. Because they were so certain they were right. That's the main takeaway I got from studying the Nazis.
By gradually normalizing radical hatred and exclusion through repetition and emotional appeals.
It's okay to hate the people who are doing genocide and slavery and want to kill me, actually, lol.
Not everyone who disagrees with you is equivalent to the most evil man on earth.
I couldn't agree more unless they are promoting genocidal rhetoric, policies, or politicians.
I am probably more left than you are
Do you think that the workers should own the means of production?
"You hate Nazis? Well that makes you a Nazi!"
Saturday morning cartoon brain
Not everyone who disagrees with you is equivalent to the most evil man on earth.
Funny, I seem to recall someone spelling out specifically what the disagreement would have to be about in order to be compared to Hitler, yet here you are saying its everyone. One might come to the conclusion you're an idiot or you can't read or that you might not have a functional memory - Like some sort of bot. What else could the explanation be?
I am probably more left than you are, this shit is bad for any movement you support.
I support the "don't commit a genocide" movement. Keeping genociders out of the movement is a positive. If you support genociders, then you are not leftist.
Hey Nazi sympathizer..
Just because people don't want to spend time with you because you're, well... A Nazi sympathizer, doesn't mean that excluding people like you from society is a bad thing.
In fact, it is our duty as a society to exclude people like you from society by any means necessary. It just must suck for you that it means people call you things like "Nazi sympathizer" and don't invite you to parties.
You must be very lonely in your life. And that genuinely makes me happy. Maybe you should reflect on your belief system and how you wanting people like me to not have rights is what is alienating you from others.
You could have just told us you can't read instead of wasting everyones time with this (I assume dictated) drivel
Found the right-wing dipshit who calls himself a 'centist' because his friends don't reply to his texts anymore if he calls himself right-wing.
Sick ad hominem bro but that’s not on the mark, or maybe it is? Why not focus on the argument itself?
I am begging you people to stop saying words you do not understand. Thats not an ad hominem dumbass. They do not dismiss your argument or tie any quality of character to it, they're just insulting you.
Yes they did. And it’s still virtue signaling nonsense. Just because you made it on paint with shapes doesn’t mean it’s not slop.
No they fucking didn't. Being ingnorant is fine, what makes you fucking loathsome is the arrogant assumption you're right about things you know nothing about
They do not touch on your argument at all. I am becoming worried for your increasing rate of hallucinations. Consider going outside and decompressing until you are in a calmer emotional state where you can handle people disagreeing with you
the argument is about filth who support evil.
The argument is that people like you and the person on the left in the comic hide your true beliefs because you know they are vehemently unpopular among pretty much anyone with any sort of decency or a soul. You know what you believe, like trans people shouldn't get healthcare, immigrants are evil, and the capitalist class should rule. Yet you bury that because if it ever came out to people around you because they would isolate you faster than you could understand.
We all know the argument. You just don't realize you are the argument.
Wrong.
You don’t know me. I’m actually some of those things you think I hate. You’re just being cruel because you thought I made myself a free target for you. I literally disagree with everything you said.
I wish you Reddit losers would actually learn what "ad-hominem" means rather than treating it like a magical debate incantation.
Anyone currently working for the US military or one of its contractors is either complicit in or actively committing genocide, yeah. That's not an outrageous thing to believe. One of the only modern American soldiers I can respect is Aaron Bushnell, the air force member who martyred himself in front of the Zionist Entity's embassy in 2024. That's the minimum level of awareness I would expect out of anyone participating in Amerikkkan empire.
Anyone of a normal political ideology would seek to make the United States extinct. It's a country administered by clownish nazi pedophiles and doesn't deserve to be defended.
Agreed but you don’t go far enough. Every company in America pays taxes and supports it. Don’t try and absolve yourself by narrowing the scope. Even if you work at mom and pops card trading store you are supporting the machine.
Yeah which is why I'm politically active in the hopes of dismantling the machine. I do what I can in spite of me being an Amerikkkan. However if someday a group of Maoist third-worlders were to suddenly take power and deemed me an imperialist or something, I would probably ask for leniency but I'd spiritually understand if they would rather execute me. Like I'm imagining being lined up against the brick wall and being asked if I have any last words and it would probably be like "damn y'all are cool." My dream would finally have come true: a society where a person like me is executed for being a reactionary.
Ah so you are better than… them. Thanks for confirming your moral superiority. Sorry for trying to ground your ego.
"You think you're better than literal Nazis just cause you oppose genocide? That's pretty arrogant!"
I am actually morally superior to genociders
You could be on this side of the fence too, if you just had better opinions, lmao.
Incredibly funny bit to write this and then go on to complain about strawmanning
The whole post is a straw man too man idk what to tell you.
Its not, you just decided it was about you and got mad.
Quite telling, considering the post is about people who claim not to be similar to Hitler only to show themselves to share his sympathies.
Anyway you could tell me your name, adress, SSN, mothers maiden name and the numbers on your credit card
So you believe there are people who just go around saying they are Hitler? They align with Hitler? Does the afd even do that? Musk sig heils and says nope no Nazi here.
This comic person doesn’t exist, it’s just slop.
Protip: Memes aren't literal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subtext
the post is about people who claim not to be similar to Hitler only to show themselves to share his sympathies.
Lrn 2 read stoopid
Lol. Pretty low bar to clear and you think it's virtue signalling?
It’s virtue signaling because it’s a low bar. This is ridiculous right now.
You’re dunking on a 3 foot basket.
You’re dunking on a 3 foot basket.
Right wing educated idiots makes dunking on 3ft baskets really easy. You basically put the ball in the basket for us.
I’m telling you that the person in the comic doesn’t exist not that I agree with him. Don’t crash out on me becuase you can’t read dude.
The ironic reality that you are the person in the comic is beyond you.
Right and there are still tons of people playing defense for the dems trying to defend these policies.
Idk man, you know what my point is by now or there isn’t a point in trying.
This non ai slop is still slop.
I know what your point is, I just disagree lol.
Non-americans and criminals pay american taxes too, but don't get to participate in the ritualistic choosing of which flavor boot steps on their neck. Checkmate. 🤓
(Idk this was a lot funnier in my head as a half baked idea, I can't compete with this quality meme lol)
Edit: I got it! Thank you for letting me be both an american war criminal and a canadian war criminal 🙏
Slammer tier 10/10
Facetious is an adjective that means treating serious issues with deliberately inappropriate humor, flippancy, or lightheartedness, or saying something that is not meant to be taken seriously or literally.
Go back to Reddit you cringy dork
And I'm being completly serious. Drowning the world in blood for burgers and coke is hitlerite behaviour
