Typical liberal double standards
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What games are these and when can I play them
The other is Fourteen Years of Flames
This game may contain some contents that are not suitable during work time: mild language.
mild language? You mean it calls me a "good boy"?
One of them is https://store.steampowered.com/app/3184960/The_Defiant/
I just don't enjoy murder for anybody's flag and I don't care which political side of the spectrum you're on.
Now, if we are murdering completely fictional peoples - or better yet completely fictional creatures - then I'm much less morally opposed. Cyberpunk to Warhammer to Mass Effect, I'll play and appreciate the commentary. But I don't want to pull a trigger for China or Russia or North Korea any more than I want to pull a trigger for Ukraine or Israel or the US. War is inherently dumb and gamifying and glorifying it for anybody's propaganda turns me off.
Your post reeks of ALL LIVES MATTER
do you think war against the nazis was inherently dumb or
go be an orientalist lib somewhere else lol
Seeing these sorts of people refuse to listen and insist they are the big brain red pill taker that "sees reality for what it is" while farting out the most cliche "umm acktually tankie, war bad?" thought terminating cliches really reaffirms my understanding of the world.
Like, could you imagine going back to that? Being convinced back into this "status quo is bad, but trying to change it is violence and violence is always bad (and also the status quo isn't upheld by violence because I personally don't experience it)" kind of mindset. They have no explanatory power beyond "authoritarianism bad, but opposing authority makes you just as bad as them."
I cannot imagine going back into that sort of mindset where the world is completely unknowable and you understand nothing, yet insist you're the world expert on everything because we just need bad apples to be replaced by good apples through entirely voluntary and peaceful means, because anyone willing to stand up and fight for what they believe in order to protect those they care about is actually just as bad as the people oppressing them.
modern warfare was the game depicted.
I omitted that CoD2 was the last FPS I enjoyed before digital murder simulators of that sort truly began to turn me off specifically for glorifying war.
The fact that the Nazis started a world war was, actually, yes, very fucking dumb, and equally dumb that millions had to die for people to learn (and then all but immediately forget) that genocide is bad, mmkay?
Don't be a dick.
the are terminal im afraid
"war bad" is such a nonsense statement, yeah i guess the chinese people should have just stuck with feudalism smh
imperial core committing genocide for decades: "ah but dont you know all war is equally dumb"
shoo
Cooperation is always superior to competition.
Or are you a free market capitalist?
Use more jingo, it might convince more morons.
Cooperation is always superior to competition.
yeah palestine should just "cooperate" with israel instead of "competing" thatll totally fix everything
you cannot "cooperate" with somebody diametrically opposed to your interests who will literally kill your entire people if you do not fight
this is essentially just active denial of the many crimes against the humanity the west has and continues to commit
also both the games in the op are about china fighting against imperialist japan during literally ww2, are you saying china should have "cooperated" with literal nazis? lol
I was never a fan of my country of birth, the self-proclaimed "greatest in the world."
I was fed nothing but propaganda my entire life and hated all of it. I see reality for what it is despite the rose-colored-glasses my country tries to force over my eyes no matter how often I tell them I can see just fine.
The games on the top are entirely unfamiliar to me which is where my response comes from. Y'all lick auth-left boots here which is still licking boots from my perspective. So maybe you can better appreciate the fact that I agree oppression is for shit and Nazis need to be disappeared hard, but maybe I'm also sick of being told "good soldiers follow orders" and thinking that's the greatest thing ever.
Nuance exists and I get the internet hates that, broadly speaking, but also its still true and I don't want my children growing up in a war-torn world. Crazy and fucked up that I don't want my babies to deal with wars, right?
You admit you were fed nothing but propaganda, but you still parrot that propaganda with phrases like "auth left," and the other bullshit. Examine your views more before disparaging strangers and potential comrades if you really want to help fight against war and imperialism, we also want nothing but the best for humanity and the earth.
Y'all lick auth-left boots here which is still licking boots from my perspective
lol "auth-left" isnt a real thing, authoritarianism is a meaningless word that just means "place i dont like"
you dont know a single thing about china, the dprk, cuba, etc, other than what state sanctioned western media tells you to think about them
but i guess thats not "propaganda" because they are corporations and not the government
I don't want my children growing up in a war-torn world. Crazy and fucked up that I don't want my babies to deal with wars, right?
if you dont want your children to grow up in a war-torn world you should support every aes state in existence going to war with and crushing amerikkka, the first western state to wholly and utterly embrace genocide in its entirety and as its reason for existence, and from which spawned many pale imitators, and also in many ways the purest form of the genocide-state
but you only care about war if it effects you, the lives of people in the global south dont matter to you so "war bad" is an easy position to have i guess
Nuance exists and I get the internet hates that
saying nuance exists while saying "all war is bad no matter what" is really funny lol
nuance exists, which is why i can say "the chinese people going to war and overthrowing feudal china is good" while also saying "the west going to war and bombing the middle east and killing hundreds of thousands of civillians is bad" and these things not be conflicting worldviews
buddy you named yourself after star wars
Jazz musician and independent contractor who has no patience for anybody's bullshit or propaganda. Not his, not yours, not "my guy's." Propaganda is propaganda and it can all go fuck itself.
Now we can keep being unnecessarily reductive with one another's positions or you can accept I don't give a fuck whose propaganda it is, I don't want it.
Nearly every piece of media can be considered propaganda. There is not a TV show, movie, or even song that does not contain elements of propaganda. Furthermore, propaganda is not inherently bad, only who is saying it and what they are saying can be bad, or good for that matter. For example, it's extremely propagandistic to say "oppression is for shit and Nazis need to be disappeared hard," so you yourself are spouting propaganda. But it is not wrong and indeed that is a good thing to say. If you want to use a definition for propaganda that it must be a lie or presenting something as factual when it is not, fine, but then none of these games are propaganda, they're just role playing in different made-up scenarios (and yes, even games based on historical events, you are still playing made-up scenarios).
If someone were to say that they simply don't enjoy role playing (as in a video game) where they are killing another person, that would be fine. I think it's rather limiting and maybe a bit hypersensitive, but that's their prerogative and I would never get on someone's case who drew that line for themselves. If it feels bad to kill someone in a game, and you don't want to do that, ok, I get it. But that's not what you're doing here. You're not saying "it doesn't feel good to me to pretend to kill someone even in a video game" you're saying "these video games are political with respect to who is killing who," well yeah, so is every single fucking game where you're killing! So in this sense, you're really not much different from the CHUDs who whinge "keep politics out of my games!" because those games don't align with their own highly political standards of games needing to have white, male, cis/heteronormative, neurotypical, able-bodied, capitalist-realist perspective. Are you opposed to playing the Wolfenstein games because you kill nazis in them? That is very much propaganda, but it is good propaganda, which you should recognize since you yourself correctly state that "nazis need to be disappeared." The exact same thing can be said for the two games at the top of the OP image that you are pearl-clutching about not being willing to play because they are propaganda. Can you really not see your ridiculous double standard?
It is very much a good thing to "push propaganda" of an oppressed group fighting for their liberation while it is a disgusting but overwhelmingly common thing to push propaganda where the so-called good guys are soldiers for imperialist hegemony.
Also, this is mostly beside the points above, but anyone who says, "I see reality for what it is" does not in fact see reality for what it is. It is impossible to fully model reality in our minds, we all have no choice but to view reality through certain lenses and those lenses need to be constantly adjusted to more closely model reality. This may be a bit nitpicky and it is getting into philosophical, epistemological tangents, but it really does irk me when someone can't recognize their cringy hubris by claiming to "see reality as it is" as if everyone else, including those who have spent years and even decades studying political theory, can't see reality for what it is.
star wars is propaganda

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