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cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/9447978
Hasan more popular then trans gender on fox news
Please let them run out of steam with us…
I see centrists successfully wrote republicans' talking points for them.
When it comes to vilifying the left, there's rarely much difference between the "centrists" (actually right to far right) and the fascists tbh 🤷🏻
I don't like the guy but I'd much prefer him taking up fox news talking time rather than trans people.
Hasan derangement syndrome. The entire media arm of the right wing got a serious case of that HDS. That underwear pic will do it to you.
I've been gregging my doucette furiously to that pic.
The MEAT PIC.
Their grandma did find it!
Laminated under their mattress.
Jesus fucking christ i didn't think they actually talk about transgender so fucking much. Insane
It's incessant
When you don't want your audience to think about any real issues, you pick one or two focus on them so hard that anyone watching that is the single biggest problem in the world ever.
Also helps if the population is small and politically powerless so they can be exploited for political gain.
the comfy places always seem to have no political power for the workers. as a comfort-seeker, we get tricked so easily
if they didn't do that, then they might have to actually report some news to fill out their broadcast day.
British media: hold my ale.
thanks JKR, i absolutely should buy more harry potter merch…….. /crying
The Republicans love to angry masterbate to this guy
take note cis ppl this is how you be an ally
Will start sending my nudes to fox journalists, got it
By getting mentioned on Fox News? Or by monitoring Fox News?
By getting talked about on fox he is giving them less time to talk about trans people.
Ah ok, that makes sense. He’s a lightening rod
I'll do my best, but as I don't have a dog is it acceptable for me to wear the shock collar myself?
If you want to wear a shock collar, I won't kinkshame.
If you’re going to continue pushing that false narrative then yes, please wear a shock collar.
i like how they're still desperately trying to push that narrative meanwhile on stream hasan is just like the absolute cutest dog dad to kaya <3
I didn't meant to joke about your favourite ~~grifter~~ streamer.
Amazing how every right wing lie is a just a joke after being called out about it.
So good. This comment alone should be enough to get you five minutes at the Comedy Mothership! You can open for Tony Hinchcliff
These people are like sleeper cells activated by any mention of this guy's name
this just in Hasan Piker beats transgender people on Fox News. news at 11.
beats
In what way 🤔
Still no idea who this guy is or why they are so obsessed with him.
He's a political commentary streamer on Twitch. He's generally on the left with some mixed positions on various things that you'd honestly just have to watch to get the sense of.
In the last few years he's gotten more directly involved in political organizing, highlighting certain progressive candidates around the US and even getting a lot of his viewers to donate or volunteer for their campaigns. It's hard to know the full impact of this, but it's one contribution among many to the movement needed to get the left elected.
Because of this more recent round of successes from progressive candidates, including ones Hasan helped with, establishment interests in the Republican and Democratic parties have been targeting him as a proxy for the movement as a whole. In particular pro-Israel groups have been prominent in attacking him since he's against genocide.
He says some dumb shit sometimes, wording things the wrong way, being hyperbolic, etc. That plus the many opportunities for out of context clipping make it easy for these bad faith actors to find things that make him look bad. While some of it is red scare stuff, there's also a lot of Islamophobia mixed in. They then try to tie this to the progressive candidates to hurt their chances.
I probably wouldn't agree with every position he has, but he's overall not a bad guy. The hysteria around him is basically just manufactured outrage for political gain and it's not even working that well for that.
I hate seeing Hasan become a prominent face of democratic socialism.
He wields nuance like a bludgeon, not a tool for understanding. He doesn't inspire curiosity or invite people to question their assumptions. He tells his audience what to think and delivers it with absolute conviction.
For all their ideological differences, he reminds me of Shapiro and Crowder. The same performative certainty, selective reasoning, and confidence masquerading as intellectual authority.
And that's precisely what makes him such a convenient bogeyman for conservative propaganda. He sounds remarkably similar to the very right-wing influencers whose audiences are being told to despise him.
I don't doubt that much of the outrage surrounding him is manufactured. But that doesn't make every criticism of him illegitimate, nor does it excuse his own intellectual shortcomings.
Attention isn't credibility, and political fandom isn't intellectual discourse.
I despise that style of political commentary, regardless of which side it comes from.
Yeah. It’s definitely legitimate to have criticisms of him and I wouldn’t entirely disagree with your assessment, it’s just worth keeping in mind that the kind of criticisms we might have aren’t even in the same intellectual ballpark as those of the right wing attacks on him.
As far as him being the face of the movement, I think it’s just a sad reality of left organizing, or the lack thereof, in America as well as the issue of organizing primarily around electoral politics. Socialist movements are mass politics. It’s not about specific people, it’s about everyone working together towards a common cause. Elections, and the media that discusses them, end up being more cults of personality. It’s great that we’re getting more leftists/progressives elected, but the way that gets portrayed focuses almost exclusively on the politician themselves as a charismatic figure with the right moral character rather than all of the work done by people to get them there. A similar thing happens with media. I think it’s just easier to follow and make a narrative around some individual than around a large ill defined group.
How do we fix that? Idk. It’s not like we don’t have any media which puts the focus on the broader movement activities, it’s just that they don’t tend to break containment to the broader public who aren’t super nerdy lefties or people directly involved with whatever is being discussed.
He says some dumb shit sometimes, wording things the wrong way, being hyperbolic, etc. That plus the many opportunities for out of context clipping make it easy for these bad faith actors to find things that make him look bad
Any kind of streamer I give some level of benefit of the doubt because you get anyone talking for 6-12 hours straight without any opportunity to edit out something in post, you're gonna get something questionable every once in a while, even if its purely just a joke that doesn't land or a mispeak, or of course sometimes its the mask slipping for a moment and the real colors showing. It takes a bit of digging sometimes to figure out which it is regarding a given flub, but Hasan is generally a pretty decent guy from what I've seen.
he is the guy conservatives online will bring up whenever I try to tell them that tankies are a small minority and that most of the real left is actually just very reasonable democratic socialists
I am not a fan, really, but he does reach demographics that other leftist have trouble reaching, so I guess he belongs in the tent
He's a hard-left twitch streamer who does reactions on YouTube videos and current events. I find it boring as rain but he's one of the most popular streamers on twitch.
They're getting this worked up over some streamer and youtuber? what the hell is even going on anymore.
You find the rain boring?
As a Midwesterner I've spent whole days watching the rain
It just been falling for years. Get some new material!
They tried acid rain and you all freaked out.
We liked chocolate rain.
Chocolate rain is still ahead of its time
Bruh purple rain?
There was LSD rain and I missed it?!
Yeah I'll admit that rain didn't deserve this gratuitous side swipe
I think everyone who knows some about him will have an opinion on him - I'd call him divisive. I'll try to give a relatively neutral rundown - I'm not a historian or researcher on this subject so my knowledge is likely to have holes.
I don't have time to treat this like a dissertation or adding citations, but I'll try to present things as neutrally as I can and then you (or anyone else reading) can decide to further research any of the points as you see fit. I am not the final authority on this, just someone who's dug a little more into this than the average person, and who has no strong feelings for or against the person in question.
He is a political twitch streamer. He ties himself to, and uses the language of, the far left and related candidates. He backs and campaigns for progressive candidates which often raises awareness and donation for them, but the effect seems to be limited - some candidates he backs does well and others do not. He also seems to make plenty of statements that directly contradicts the candidates he backs and campaign for, causing some of them to try to distance themselves from him.
He appears to be well-versed in U.S. electoral politics, media framing, and progressive political arguments, which tracks with his bachelor’s degree in political science and communication studies from Rutgers from 2013. Being a streamer he ends up talking about a lot of related subjects, in which he often has to give off-the-cuff opinions and takes, which can often fall well-short of informed or accurate.
He says his end goal is communism. He got his start as a content creator in his uncle's online news channel (The Young Turks), before later splitting off from them and doing his own streaming business. He is from a very affluent family, personally earns a lot of money and he clearly lives an affluent lifestyle. He claims to thrift for designer clothes but when pressed appears to reference outlet stores and similar. Initially he claimed that he doesn't want his regular thrift stores to get raided by fans, although his fans might be less affluent than him and therefore better served by access to these stores. He has done several very successful charity streams that amassed large amounts of money for good causes. He claims to donate great amounts of money to charities, although the amount of donated money that can be tied to him is very low for his level of wealth, somewhere between 77.000 - 80.000 USD total (0,5-1%) of his estimated wealth, which is 8-14 million USD. While he does not appear to put his money where his mouth is, he does spend some of his time on popular fundraising, which drives a lot of attention to both him and the causes he fund-raise for.
He is often abrasive in his communication, although he will excuse that with passion for the subjects he talk about. He has a large audience that aggressively attacks dissenters or people Hassan expresses dislike for or disagreement with. The harassment from his fan base appears to be significantly above and beyond the norm for the space, and while he comments to the contrary it would be hard to believe that he is unaware of the dynamic between him and his fan base. From what I can tell he has taken no steps towards solving this dynamic beyond disavowing some instances of the harassment, while condoning other instances. He does not appear to have a problem with lying about people or broadcasting random people (even known malicious actors, that he himself states to be malicious) on twitter or twitch if it fits his narrative.
He often breaks the rules of his streaming platform (twitch) but receives special treatment, although I am unsure if that is due to personal popularity or personal relationships with the owner of twitch.
He denies using a shock collar on his dog, but looking at the evidence gathered through old videos, still frames from new videos, and from people who personally interacted with the dog would suggest that to be a lie. I do not know if he still uses a shock collar on his dog since the latest controversy.
As said, feel free to research each of these points, but do be critical of the sources of information and try to just find the actual evidence of what was done or said, rather than peoples' conclusions. He is divisive so when people give their take they usually either dismiss all the criticism and focus on the things he does well, or dismiss the things he does well and focus on the criticism.
Find all the evidence you can and make up your own mind.
He denies using a shock collar on his dog, but looking at the evidence gathered through old videos, still frames from new videos, and from people who personally interacted with the dog would suggest that to be a lie. I do not know if he still uses a shock collar on his dog since the latest controversy.
Tbh this is enough for me to doubt the validity of pretty much everything else you've said. If you're so uncritical as to fall for this, what else will you fall for?
when people give their take they usually either dismiss all the criticism and focus on the things he does well, or dismiss the things he does well and focus on the criticism.
A fact very well demonstrated by your comment lmao
I disagree.
I tried to point out both positive and negative actions of his, while also encouraging independent, critical research and thinking.
I don't dismiss the good he does, nor do I overlook the bad.
He's a flawed character, just like the rest of us, and his reach magnifies both his flaws and his virtues, as well as their impacts on the world. Just like any public figure.
Every time you pointed out something negative, it was stated as fact. Every time you pointed out something positive, you used language that leaves room for doubt. Go back and reread your comment. It's not neutral at all dude, it's fraught with negative bias.
Which specific negative (or positive, for that matter) do you believe to be untrue?
I tried to temper some of the negatives and positives both with what I consider relevant counter weight, but I didn't always have one I deemed relevant or that I could find substantiation for.
I would also argue that I treated both the negatives and positives as factual, because I believe they both are. I find that there's a little good in the bad and a little bad in the good, so I try to add that nuance when I believe I can see proof of it.
I'm happy to be corrected if you think any of the statements are untrue.
I'll just go through one by one and give my thoughts and point out where I saw bias.
He ties himself to, and uses the language of, the far left and related candidates.
Right off the bat, instead of directly saying "he's a leftist political commentator on twitch", you instead just say he "ties himself to and uses the language of" leftist candidates. This makes it seem like you're implying that he isn't an actual leftist, or that he's just doing leftism as a performance or something. It's dismissive of reality, not to mention overcomplicating things.
He backs and campaigns for progressive candidates which often raises awareness and donation for them, but the effect seems to be limited - some candidates he backs does well and others do not. He also seems to make plenty of statements that directly contradicts the candidates he backs and campaign for, causing some of them to try to distance themselves from him.
Your acknowledgement of a positive is immediately followed by a "but" statement, dismissing of the positive. It also places blame on him instead of on the candidates for their campaigns, where it actually belongs in most cases. It also mirrors right-wing talking points where they claim that his "radical viewpoints" are actually fracturing the Democratic base, instead of introducing leftist ideology to an audience that no one else on the left has been able to meaningfully reach yet.
He says his end goal is communism.
Phrasing it like this implies you don't believe him. It's dismissive again.
He is from a very affluent family, personally earns a lot of money and he clearly lives an affluent lifestyle. He claims to thrift for designer clothes but when pressed appears to reference outlet stores and similar. Initially he claimed that he doesn't want his regular thrift stores to get raided by fans, although his fans might be less affluent than him and therefore better served by access to these stores.
Again echoing the dismissive right wing talking point of "he can't possibly be a 'Real Socialist', he comes from a rich family and buys expensive things!", on top of sowing doubt about his explanation of shopping secondhand. You also confused "outlet stores" for consignment shops.
He has done several very successful charity streams that amassed large amounts of money for good causes. He claims to donate great amounts of money to charities, although the amount of donated money that can be tied to him is very low for his level of wealth, somewhere between 77.000 - 80.000 USD total (0,5-1%) of his estimated wealth, which is 8-14 million USD. While he does not appear to put his money where his mouth is, he does spend some of his time on popular fundraising, which drives a lot of attention to both him and the causes he fund-raise for.
Other than the first sentence, this whole paragraph is dismissive of his charity/fundraising efforts, and is colored by your personal negative bias and what you confidently claim his net worth is (I can find estimates that vary widely from the range you claim).
He is often abrasive in his communication, although he will excuse that with passion for the subjects he talk about.
This is your opinion stated as fact.
He has a large audience that aggressively attacks dissenters or people Hassan expresses dislike for or disagreement with.
This is your opinion stated as fact.
The harassment from his fan base appears to be significantly above and beyond the norm for the space, and while he comments to the contrary it would be hard to believe that he is unaware of the dynamic between him and his fan base.
This is unfounded speculation.
From what I can tell he has taken no steps towards solving this dynamic beyond disavowing some instances of the harassment, while condoning other instances.
I catch bits and pieces of his stream here and there, and in my experience he pretty consistently calls down chatters that are being inappropriate. It sounds like your speculation is based on articles about his streams that cherry pick and decontextualize things.
He does not appear to have a problem with lying about people or broadcasting random people (even known malicious actors, that he himself states to be malicious) on twitter or twitch if it fits his narrative.
This at minimum deserves some examples. Kinda hard for people to "do their own research" when you give so little to go off of.
He often breaks the rules of his streaming platform (twitch) but receives special treatment, although I am unsure if that is due to personal popularity or personal relationships with the owner of twitch.
Another right wing talking point that Hasan himself has addressed and debunked.
He denies using a shock collar on his dog, but looking at the evidence gathered through old videos, still frames from new videos, and from people who personally interacted with the dog would suggest that to be a lie. I do not know if he still uses a shock collar on his dog since the latest controversy.
Another talking point that has been debunked so thoroughly not even the right still uses it.
Do you see it now, or do you still think your comment is unbiased?
He's got a YT channel, maybe check it out & make up your own mind
Reminds me of Obama's Reverend back in the day. They really went after him.
He’s a “left” Asmomgold/grifter.
I always like the grifter angle because he takes zero sponsorships and is entirely supported by viewers. If he wanted to make more money, he could just pivot to the right, there be gold in them decisions.
What do billionaires want? More right wing streamers, or more left wing streamers?
And unlike many of his contemporaries, he's knowledgeable about the topics he discusses and acts as a teacher, explaining them. Explaining things is hard, dense, and requires time, no streamer with a brain, who was grifting would bother with that. Sincerely teaching people is not what a grifter would do, they'd just simplify and generalize. Like Asmon.
I've never heard asmongold explain anything, well, not correctly anyway. He explains things with the depth of my nine year old nephew. While taking breaks to say how right chat is about their currently held (often bigoted and unfounded) beliefs. Spoiler, he says immigration is the cause of all of your problems. 🫠
I feel like that does Asmongold a disservice in how fucked he is. We are talking about a goblin who used a rotting rat carcas as an alarm clock.
It's somehow insulting to both Asmongold and Hasan
America deserved 9/11
I can understand the sentiment, and it's one that was echoed by Josh Lyman in the West Wing special Isaac and Ishmael
Essentially, the US has been a real shit worldwide with its military adventurism, especially in Asia, South America and the Middle East. Iran and Israel are notorious hotspots. The US has made a lot of enemies, and it should be no surprise that any of them would want cold revenge.
Bin Laden's plot to attack the US on 9/11 was the equivalent of a Doolittle Raid if we were to look at the Middle East as a theater of the Cold War. The attack on the US was a mere sting compared to the compound death and destruction leveled by the American war machine across multiple Middle Eastern countries, in the name of containment and protecting American interests (usually natural resources wanted by US corporations).
This doesn't speak to whether Americans deserve it. I certainly don't think civilians deserve ever to be casualties of war. But that hasn't ever stopped the high lords from playing their games of thrones.
(this last sentence is my personal assessment)
Huh, that's a pretty shit assessment.
Where did you get the other sentences, the xenophobe store?
I am shocked people care so deeply about a streamer and we aren't talking about the people watching him. That is the craziest part
Honestly some of the best allyship to take the brunt of this for trans people.
(Semi /s)
If the meat pic is taking some heat off the trans peeps, then I suppose the Prada Propagandist is doing some good!
No idea who he is before this post, good example of a barbra streisand effect
Fox has talked about Hasan so much that my mom tried to watch some of his videos bc she's anti-trump so she figured if fox hated him that much maybe she should see what he has to say
She said his content is difficult to watch bc he jumps from topic to topic too quickly but she agreed with some of what he said
You're totally right about the Streisand effect being in full force here
I am officially out of the loop. I remember his body pic at the CPAC, but what do conservatives have against Hasan Piker?
He's left wing, outspoken, much better at articulating complex issues than they are, and extremely popular with young people.
Any one of those things are enough for their vilification, but the combo of all of them has them ABSOLUTELY apoplectic 😄
He's also a first-generation Turkish-American and Muslim by upbringing, which works pretty well with their new fear mongering around the threat of muslims taking over the country
Gotcha. So it's the old, "But he is not named in the Epstein files" that got to them.
Viking Hippie got you but I wanted to add that Hasan rightly calls out Israel’s genocide against Palestinians.
A hateful boner. That's what they have for Hasan.
He has a large support base, particularly reaching young men that would likely have otherwise gone down the alt right/redpill pipeline. He also appeals to some of the older republican voters who watch his actual content and not just clips because the majority of the content is responding to arguments on the merit of the argument and evidence, even if his takes are sometimes questionable and there are some outrageous clippable moments. Republicans view this as someone coming in and eating their lunch.
Democrats view it as someone easily achieving the success in converting nonvoters and republicans that they wished to achieve without actually changing their policy and hate him the same, attacking anyone left of them harder than they attack republicans. In doing so they also provide more ammunition to the republicans and republican media to try and paint him negatively, sometimes leaning into outright slander and libel (e.g. purposefully taking a clip of him reading someones comment then arguing against it, but clipping just the reading part to make it seem like he thinks that)
Why were you at the cpac 🤨
I was trying to find a Grindr date, obvi!
First time I hear of this dude. He's doing the numbers!
He could beat me fr
...wait what'd you say
Why?
Hasan is a just a grifter and nepo baby. He's the same type of rich that he advocates his braindead followers to eat.
