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deflock.meI mean, fuck it. Why not? SBCs are inexpensive, low quality cameras are good enough and also relatively cheap, why dont we build our own network for the people? Open source that shit, make a docker container someone can spin up easily to report the data back federation style, hell make it a one liner so they dont have to learn anything. Make the barrier to entry as low as possible.
If they get to have stalking cameras, why dont we?
Simple, your privacy doesn't matter but theirs does.
If you are poor you get tracked, if you are rich you ruin people for daring to track you.
Too many people afraid of preemptively ruining them first.
Local Mediawiki instances to replace cloud neighborhood gossip platforms like Nextdoor. Get people to report their own monthly rent, sourced by scans of their own rental agreements. Require, like Wikipedia, citations from reputable sources such as local newspapers, county courthouses, or city council meetings. Get local busy-bodies to maintain histories of every local building with links to news stories and construction permits and police reports. Create articles like “List of Absentee Landlords” and “List of major donors to [political party]” so people can resolve which private equity company their property management company / landlord is a part of, which city councilers they lobby, with wikilinks to each individual property and public figure in question.
Keep bots and spammers at bay with things like requiring editors to present themselves at a local meetup every year or, if they want anonymity to whistleblow important matters, have them send a written membership request in a physical letter to the webmaster.
Neighborhood surveillance has de facto existed since the first grandma/babushka took up people-watching as a hobby. What I don't like are techbros thousands of miles away who have no skin in the game gathering and controlling surveillance information in the name of “efficiency”. As Kim Stanley Robinson said in The Ministry for the Future (2020; chapter 40), there are good efficiencies and bad efficiencies. A centrally controlled surveillance system is a bad efficiency since it only benefits a handful of distant shareholders whose primary motivation is profit. A hodgepodge collection of locally maintained and controlled cameras and wikis are a good inefficiency because the people doing the observing know to restrain themselves since their subjects are themselves and their neighbors who they'll have to see at church, grocery store, or senior center.
Human civilization has always been under surveillance by itself. As information technology has advanced, all that has changed is the scale of data collection and who the collectors are accountable to.
Yet when Sistilli pointed out the double standard at play here, the officers still didn't get it. Their failure to see the connection between their fears, and the fears of every innocent person whose license plate ends up in an ALPR database somewhere, is a whole other problem.
That's because they don't see other people as actual humans with rights.
And I don't see pigs as human
pigs are actually very smart and empathetic animals, cops are not
When you stop seeing other humans as humans (political opponents, oppressors, police or whoever you hate, even if justifiably so), crimes against humanity start to happen.
I agree with half of that, but police and oppressors sometimes deserve it.
Being a police officer is a choice. Just like not blowing the whistle on abuse is a choice. You can blame people for their choices and some choices have consequences.
If I saw one bleeding in the street, I would have to weigh the possibility that getting involved would potentially ruin my life and that saving this person could result in the abuse or death of an innocent down the line.
Scorpion and the frog and all that.
It's in my nature to help anybody in need, but I have to be responsible and I would naturally hesitate to help a dangerous person who's a threat to the people around them especially if the system might punish me for the attempt because it was looking for someone to blame.
So sure it's a person, a potentially monstrous, definitely dangerous, openly awful member of an elective class of abusive psychopaths that chases away any moral, healthy person.
I think you do not fully understand what human rights are. They are not choice based, they cannot be lost by personal decisions or choices. Maybe you oppose the concept of human rights, fair enough, but then say so openly.
Honestly, I am a bit surprised how unpopular the concept of human rights is around here, judging by the votes but you never stop learning, don't you?
Honestly, I am a bit surprised how unpopular the concept of human rights is around here, judging by the votes but you never stop learning, don’t you?
Human rights aren't "unpopular", which is why your first comment is sitting at +22 as of this reply. The fact that you immediately started acting obtuse when people engaged with you is what's unpopular. You're being disingenuous and deliberately misrepresenting the situation, which only confirms that you have no intention of engaging in good faith. Take that crap back to reddit. It's not welcome in the threadiverse.
Why doesn't overall harm reduction trump immediacy when it comes to human rights? If you save the life of an officer who kicked in the teeth of someone's grandma last week, have you put more good or evil into the world?
How precious of you to pop up and defend the oppressors. Your loyal bootlicking will be richly rewarded in hell
So not opposing human rights is now "loyal bootlicking". Mind you I did nowhere say not to resist oppression or to love or even give in to police. All I was saying is that if you stop considering other humans as humans, crimes against humanity start to happen and then just repeated what human rights are. That isn't my original thinking.
If you oppose human rights, just say instead of going ad hominem.
As a Spanish song said "He was a man. Now he's a cop" ("Era un hombre. Ahora es un poli", Era un hombre, La Polla Records)
Incredible response 😂😂 I hope your soul is worth it (it isn't)
The veneer of civilisation is thin indeed, thank you for pointing that out by making this a laughing matter.
The way I see it the oppressive class and the police have excluded themselves from society by virtue of their abuse of the laws which protect them in cases it would punish a regular citizen. This was a conscious choice, not a trait they are born with. As such, I am fine saying that the rules of polite society do not extend to them.
I guess I do still see them as humans. But humans who have broken the basic tenets of simple humanity and are no longer protected by those tenets because they themselves ignore them.
You can think that way, but that doesn't change anything about my comment. Human rights are based on the foundation that humans can't be exempted from them. For a reason. Look into the history books and you do not have to look back far, actually you don't have to look back at all.
Of course, but pigs are a different taxonomical family from humans.
*pigmanity
Just because they look human does not mean they are.
Cops lack key features that define humanity. For example, functional braincells. Empathy. Self-awareness. Etc.
I hope it spreads. Shift the power to people a little until lawmakers get it.
