How to get a job
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Programmer Humori reckon you could walk away from a con with a new job, living situation, and even a romantic partner if you wanted. furries are weirdly good at networking for how often they’re treated as weird pariahs by normies.
As a furry that doesn't attend conventions, this is having me reconsider it.
Knowing a guy is a goated strat tbh, hardest part is being competent enough that someone you know would vouch for you
sounds like you’re not faking it enough
D: state-run job websites for the unemployed. You don't have to be unemployed to use them, nor a resident of that state. The listings are at least not scams, and you don't have to pay anything to apply, but success at getting hired is still low.
I dunno I'd put furry convention higher
I got contacted randomly on Linkedin by some recruiter. I needed a job right after college, and figured might aswell hear her out. Turned out my dream job just kinda fell into my lap that day.
I hate you. I've been trying to get into my dream job for 21 years to no avail, and yours just falls into your lap right after school.
Life under captialism isn't fair.
It's absolutely awesome, not gonna lie.
Bro stop talking.
Unfortunately the perverts I hang out with are largely programmers and nurses and I'm neither, which really kills my networking options
All 3 of those need a good massage once in a while.
I just got an A tier one, can't complain
sighs...puts on the fox suit
Or if you're the 20 year old that works the same position as me that I literally would have assassinated someone for at his age, then it's "my brother works here".
Feel like I need to start going to furry conventions during my next job search.
Yeah.
I feel like a lot of people involved in the hiring process are incompetent and shouldn't be there. Like you have HR people who can barely use Word asking if you know Java or JavaScript
Shit maybe I should get a job as HR sounds easy as hell
At past employers it has seemed to me that most of what the internal recruiters do is look back and forth between resumes and job descriptions and throw away the resumes that don't have enough bullet points matching.
And now we have AI that can do it even worse and even faster!
Yup I had a HR personally message me saying the person I recommended doesn't have a certification needed for the job. They have that in a different state, getting it in the state the job is in is as simple as saying "hey I passed the same exams you guys take (it's national), I'm registered and practicing in that other state, can I get approved here?" And they say "sure". It's small documentation and a bit of waiting period, but that's shorter than the training period of the job itself. I said a bit about that but they're like they don't have it in this state. Which I'd understand if it's just a way to say no without saying that person is not qualified for other reasons. Because most other openings I see in our industry gives the candidates 6months to get the certificate because it's easy
I need to find a better phrase than "cargo cult" but I see a lot of that at work. People who don't understand why a system is the way it is become fanatical about doing it particular ways.
Like, you have to do "file -> save as" into the directory. If you save it somewhere else first and copy it that's NO GOOD
Yeah. I think sometimes it comes from using a lot of shitty softwares that only work with "happy path" so they like to repeat what works and won't experiment (because that means repeated work).
I have a lot of "we have to do it this way", me: "this is better", them: "we always do this way".
As well as, me:"hey it's easier this way, I think clients will like this way, even if we do the original they have to switch eventually", them: "no, they asked for this, we NEED to do this", me: "can we ask?", them: "...", i talked to the clients and they were already thinking about the new one and had no problem, saved us weeks of work trying to back port an already existing solution
I just had a flashback to one of my first office jobs.
They had weekly reporting that needed to be done, and someone non-technical had been assigned to do it. They had like gone into the database and copy-pasted records into excel, and the whole operation took a full day.
I was like, "Hold on. What? You know you can script all of this, right?"
Luckily my boss liked me, and let me go ahead. Changed the task into an hour, including making whatever charts and slide-deck management wanted that month.
Though I do wonder if sometimes doing things badly is a weird pro-labor move- They get paid the same if they take all day versus an hour, so why bother speeding it up?
I think that's honestly how it goes. If you're efficient and just get more tasks, or get called off for not working (if you're done with work and doing something else), then you have to pace yourself. Lot if work I get is copy paste this from here to here that takes hours, I could have written an script to do all that in the time I spent cooy pasting, but then I'd be the only one who could do it again. Even though the next time it'd take 5-10 minutes
sounds more like state religion
As someone who briefly worked in recruitment, the amount of people interviewed by people who have no frame of reference for anything about the job requirements is astonishing. Some people may say "but surely not for the high-level positions-" No. Especially for those positions. Because people like owners and c-suites want final say. And guess who knows nothing about these positions. Them. They literally hire presidents and vice-presidents based on vibe. Technical positions see a lot of this, primarily because even a bad interviewee is going to know more about their job than an executive whose primary job is the "idea and vision" guy. Just spit enough jargon, laugh at their jokes and you're in.
For reference, that company had a head of maintenance who as a friend of a friend of the owners. He just delegated the whole time and hit on any woman he found half-attractive. Thought he was just an asshole until I heard that he had honestly asked a production manager which side of a tape measure was the inches and which was the centimeters. Guy gave a visual run-down on how to use a tape measure to him. The head of maintenance. And he said thanks, and that he'd post it in the tool shed for his staff to reference. It became clear that he delegated everything because he literally didn't know about thing about his job. I would be surprised if he could point out a phillip's-head. Apparently he had the same job at a nursing home before that. I shudder to think of why he may have lost that job.
A few months after he got inevitably let go, he delivered my dominoes pizza. I don't look down on jobs like that, but that felt good.
A month after I graduated college I got an interview for a springboot position and I was telling the guy about my springboot project and he was like "we don't actually use springboot here, we use kafka instead" and I was just like wtf. Dude supposedly had 10 years experience as a dev and somehow my fresh out of college ass knew more than him. (Didn't get the job, still unemployed and its been a bit over a year since)
See your problem was knowing how to do the job. You should have focused on knowing Dave. Dave would have got you in.
Honestly though, I searched for at least 6 months before my brother in law was like "I might be able to recommend you to a guy I know at a company I used to work at" and within the month I was hired.
I hope I don't need to go this route. I'm currently looking for a new job, and I barely know anyone who can give me the hook-up.
A lot of it is cyclical, hit it at the right time and they'll hire any resume that comes across their desk. The other 90% of the time, yeah, get in line behind the guy that knows a guy...
I interviewed for 3 weeks in Manhattan 1988, whoever would talk to me. Dressed well, suit, nice tie, matching black belt and shoes. Every single interviewer dumped on me: "no real experience, nobody cares about your degree or what grades you got, you've got nothing to offer." Finally, I bought a $2 bright red necktie from a street vendor, had my shoes shined and went and saw an agent who interviewed me at a glass table. She took a long look at my shoes through that table, then at me, and declared she absolutely could get me a job with (investment banking firm). One glance at my resume: "you do computer stuff, right? They always need computer guys, and you'll fit right in! They're going to love you."
I have no real experience to back this up, but I feel like nowadays dressing up in a full suite and tie for a computer science job interview would be overdressing (if you are not going to work for a bank). I generally go with just suit pants and a button up shirt and that seems to have worked fine for me so far.
My last interview was in 2014, for a transfer within a big company from one metro area office to another. I had been on-site in my present office many times (still, mostly working from home), so I took the "dress like you would dress during a normal workday" advice - brand new sharp pair of dark blue jeans (solid - no holes or wear), long sleeve dress shirt, loafers. I already "had the job" within the company, everybody on the actual team I was to be transferring to loved me, but... the final interview was with my new Boss' Boss, and my to-be-new boss told me, "yeah, you're going to have to come back to see him, he'll flat out refuse to hire anybody who wears blue jeans to an interview."
I had been applying for a year and a half until one day one of the companies was having an open house kinda recruiting event. I went in and the manager said that based on my resume and lack of relevant experience he wouldn't interview me. He's now my boss.
Local division of a big name company was always advertising in the paper, I applied but they never replied. Once every 6 months or so they'd do an "open interviews night," so I signed up. Sat down with the floor manager, he took one look at my resume and told me: "you don't want to work here. What's your pay, like X?" he was guessing based on my title and experience, he was within 2% "Yeah, I only get 80% of that and I'm the highest paid guy here. We work long hours and the work is both boring and demanding, long hours, unexpected overtime. Your kind of jobs are at our main facility (up north), down here we're basically a sweat shop.
The suspiciously wealthy and poweful furries support more then the arts. Thank you for your community service my furry and scaley friends. The world truly rests on the shoulders of your suit.
Job platforms so bad that D and E just got yeeted into the shadow realm i guess
job platforms are the grindr of job search… flaky, poorly built, disappointing experiences, and you feel dirty afterwards
(and this isn’t slut shaming; this is just… grindr is a trash fire)
Grindr is DEFINITELY a better job searching platform though
"My Dad runs the furry convention"
golden ticket to literally any tech-adjacent industry, dealer’s choice
Gonna be trying furry convention next month
Becoming a furry just to get in a line of work is like changing religion for the community support
Child care is expensive - church offers that.
Im sure there is a hidden cost that youre not seeing.
yeah, pedophilia, indoctrination, cult based on lies, and shame culture that is based on lies and falsehoods. probably more. but child care is so expensive.
"they might be pedophiles but at least they offer free childcare"
Hmmmm
NGL, that's gotta confuse the hell outta the rare MAGAt "thinker"—even their coprolithic idol doesn't offer childcare at any level.
Depends how good you are at playing the part, without actually doing any of the bad stuff. Churches vary, but often, it's one of those places where the tribal symbols are more important than actual substance, so taking advantage is very possible.
See: Whatever super-rich televangelist. If you're doing something similar, because you're poor and can't afford childcare, there's an argument that's not even bad, then.
Edit: Although, if OP means Sunday school or youth group specifically, the kids are going to be exposed to some shit, which you'll have to manage. An adult telling you you're going to burn alive, and that's good, isn't really fun for an 8-year-old.
without actually doing any of the bad stuff.
They all indoctrinate children, and while you did comment on that shared tradition later, it's worth highlighting as unavoidable —not to mention heinous as it attacks the unarmed and generally trusting minds of children. 😢
Yeah, I'm not actually sure what OP meant, now. If your kid's in Sunday school, aren't you going to be spending time in the service, anyway? I guess if you just dropped them and ran, it'd be hard for them to say no.
Maybe you could get away with that when they're really little. Once they're school aged, leaving them unsupervised would be better than in the hands of whatever bunch of church ladies, and the Catholic church has a whole other layer of reputation.
From their perspective, we're the ones trying to hide our children from ideas that are correct and vital, so they can justify it to themselves. Trying to defend the standard, evangelical version of hell is harder, which is why it's good to bring up.
Yep. Toxic AF, and yet they loom. 🙆🏼♂️
Let me know how that goes.
Is there an Intro to Furry Guide and a FAQ?
Are there classes I can take to get Furry Certified?
Do I need to engage in sexual activity which doesn’t align with my current non-furry orientation?
For the real Furry Certificate, you need long socks and to install and use specifically Arch Linux.
I'm guessing people would be weirded out if they knew you weren't actually furry-inclined, so it's probably more down to being a good actor, if you're just there to network. And then basic networking skills, after that.
Furries are typically nonsexual. It's more often than not just roleplay for autistics.
Source, autistic furry who doesn't want to fuck in the extremely expensive fursuit
There's 2 types of furries:
I paid a ton of money for this fursuit, I don't want to ruin it by having sex in it!
I paid a ton of money for this fursuit, of course I'm going to use it for sex!
There is a much more common third type of furry: "I want a fursuit soooo bad but I don't have $10k+ lying around so in the meantime I guess I'll go to furry conventions and {have sex|just hang out} without one"
So, they're furry adjacent, optimally. ☝🏼
It's a one question quiz, actually:
Do you want to be a furry? Yes or no?
If yes, congrats! You're now a furry.
I'm actually an asexual furry. So no, you don't have to engage in any sex at all. I like the aesthetic and I've met a bunch of my friends through the fandom as a shared point of commonality.
Probably the biggest question you'll get asked as a new furry is "what is your fursona?" If you say you don't have one, everyone will make a pitch to try to sell you on theirs. (psst Maned wolves are cool.)
For a more in depth explanation, take a look at furscience. They're an actual research institution studying the fandom.
One thing that seemed to be contentious back in the day was whether us bronies were furries.
maned wolves are cool as hell!!!
Congrats on your new job in Quantico?
Whos Quantico?
Ah this place where careers go to die. But they love animals there.
Yeah, I'm sorry I don't really know the reference. It seems to be a TV series or a town in the US
Yeah it's a big military/fbi town. The joke was the FBI removed the exemption of people who've had sex with animals. I never thought I would see that reading the news.
An early job of mine was in the FBI Academy cafeteria. Very familiar with the area. Forgot about the “loving animals” reference, so it took your explanation for me to catch the joke.
That's pretty cool. My sister and brother in law are there now so I'll be taking a visit there.
Same...maybe then i find a job again lol
I found joining a job search counsel via the book never search alone to be helpful. You didn't have to read the book first because reading the book is part of the JSC.
Might be worth your time looking into it.
Im looking for work and trying to understand what you said.
Here: https://www.neversearchalone.org/jsc
I would also recommend the book Take the Work Out of Networking.
I've talked to several recruiters, and outside of entry level positions none of them are interviewing anyone who doesn't have a referral because there are so many referrals they find enough qualified candidates before they get to the non-referrals. That's a product of just how bad the job market is.
I'm about to post two jobs myself with a total comp of ~$180k and I already have enough referrals that I won't interview anyone that isn't a referral. And the posting isn't even up yet.
The JSC via Never Search Alone paired with Take the Work Out of Networking has all the skills and advice needed to navigate the current job market as successfully as possible.
I wish you all the best, and am happy to answer as many questions as I can if you'd like.
We live under a extrovert dictatorship.
And yet even when I'm part of the ruling class I manage to get screwed… It's not my fault I only want to socialize about things I like
I love every single word in that sentence! And I hate that it's right.
The internet really messed with things. We put a help-wanted ad in the local paper in 2000, specifically said in the ad "local candidates only" - I received 400+ applications in the first week, ~300 of them from out of town, 20+ of them from other countries. Sorting through the pile (they were still snail-mailed in those days) I came across a local candidate who worked with a company we regularly did business with, had our guy call his ex-manager and asked one question "would you re-hire him if you had the chance?" Answer was yes. We hired him, he was good.
My sincere apologies if your application was in the bottom of the stack and you were better qualified. Life is like that most of the time.
Woah, this maybe a good way of contributing what seems to be a skill I have. Not trying to brag but as a 33 year old skidmark on the national economy, I am currently batting 1000 on job interviews over my life. I have multiple times just quit a job on the spot and had a new one before weeks end. I'm not sure why, or how, but I have never been interviewed and not offered the job. Mind, none of them have required "skills" or "education" beyond what I've picked up along the way, they could be called entry level jobs but I've never really seen a path upward in any of the companies, doesn't seem to work like that anymore. Just jobs, ~$40k a year usually with benefits. I have always had a hard time understanding why people who "can't find work" don't just take a job that's available while they look for the perfect one. Spoiler, I have never found a perfect job, aside from working for myself.
I'll pick up on one piece, humbling ourselves to take a job we see as below us is hard. I've done it before and it was a huge ego hit. A friend who's been unemployed for over a year is facing that now. It's not an easy path.
And some income is often better than none.
I guess I have never seen a paying job as "below me". Some jobs aren't worth the pay, but that's different imo. Cleaning up sewer overflow after a storm for $20/hr in 2010 wasn't enough, but $40 sure was.
Because often, if they can even get it, the "job thats available" is so physically/mentally demanding that job searching while you have the job is untenable. They often dont give leeway for job interviews, so even trying is risking your only source of support for the vague chance of something that might be better.
Conventions generally are great for networking
And for getting laid
I forgot Monster still existed.
If i recall correctly, it's more like tinder now (or as of 5 years ago - the last time I looked at it)
I have so many questions...
Lol - just that you swipe the jobs left or right depending on whether you want to apply or not.
I saw that and promptly uninstalled it. I haven't tried it again since then.
Wait... How do I get a job at a furry convention? And is that job "full-time pet?" 🤔
Furry communities are filled with professionals. With means and time. Do you know how much a furry costume will run you??
Do you know how much a furry costume will run you?
Painfully too well. I wish I was rich or a nepobaby 😩
I hate that I know this, but there is this running gag that furries are mostly made up of computer geeks who are in rather advanced positions within different digital fields. Everything from cyber security to CG animation in kids movies.
there is this running gag that furries are mostly made up of computer geeks who are in rather advanced positions within different digital fields
The joke I heard is that a plane going to a furry convention crashing would cripple the IT industry.
Yeah, that is probably the most famous joke. There were also a lot of jokes when the "live action" pinocchio movie came out that the reason the fox was the only well animated thing in that movie was because they got the furry artist to build and animate the model. I believe it. That fox was animated with passion, lol.
Close, your job is to spray free-breeze behind the smelliest attendees
I was out of work for four months spamming resumes on different job websites before a recruiter cold called me and got me in at my current place so can confirm. Out of five different professional jobs I've had, only one of them has been off of job search platforms :/
I've found that having an opinion helps in job applications, from personal experience. There's so much AI garbage being thrown around in terms of job applications, so if you can throw in an actual opinion about something, especially if it's tech related, then that might at least stand out.
laid off a few months ago and I've been searching for another senior software engineer role in the US for far too long and have gotten to the point where I'm unironically considering applying to places with a resume that is just a few bold sentences about my aptitude as an engineer.
Not because I think it'll work, but because you just start grasping at straws when a decade of development isn't enough to get past ATS and your resume looks like everyone else's.
What have I got to lose? I only even get denials 40% of the time anyways, the other 60% they don't bother responding at all.
How do you put an opiniom on a resume? Or are you talking cover letter which at least half of hiring managers don't even read?
my CV has objectives, code skills, and infra skills right at the top: 1 para each
work experience also has some relatively plain english: achievements and responsibilities as bullet point sentences
all of these contain opinions somewhere… usually in the form of “i thought and pushed for this, worked great”
objectives is almost entirely opinion: the way i think about systems and what i want to achieve in a professional context
Interesting, sounds pretty different from the format typically recommended. Would you be willing to share (after taking out any PII of course)?
Recruiter is F tier.
I'm not really sure if recruiters aren't at the lowest step there.
S tier ain’t what it used to be. Inflation is everywhere.
Especially at furry conventions
yeah except if you're at a furry convention you have to eat shit and piss in dog bowls while a guy dressed in a chihuahua suit laps it up
paperclip with cat ears taps on your screen
It looks like your only exposure to the furry fandom is watching cringe compilations that zoom in only on the 0.1% worst members of the fandom and sensationalize and distort the facts even about them. You could use some changes to your media diet. Would you like help with that?
I think you're at the wrong convention
