Liberals be like
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The real solution is boycotting a "cuntry" that isn't real.
Something I had forgotten I realised last cycle that this post somehow reminded me of:
People argued we had to vote for democrats because they would lose without our votes. To them not voting and voting third party was essentially the same and it was actually just like voting for Trump, since the party would not be able to win if they did not get our votes.
Yet if you were to point out that since we aren't voting for genociders like the democrats and therefore the party is sure to lose and thus, by their own reasoning, their votes are wasted; then they have to vote for the party I want them to vote for, if we are to beat Trump. It should be entirely reasonable if all that matters to them is beating Trump, yet somehow the argument was clearly faulty, despite it being the very same they make. They can see the issue with the reasoning as long as it does not benefit them. Odd how that is.
Faucet should be labeled capitalism
Voting maybe part of escalation.
Unless the fascists are able to edit the votes. But that would also be on escalation.
But voting alone may not be safe, if you are dealing with fascists as they will be ready for escalation(may even be wishing for it). You would need your own orgs, preferably communist/socialist orgs since they were one among the most effective against fascists based on history.
Voting can work as a piece of momentum-building for a principled leftist party. Voting for fascists like the democrats can never be part of opposition to fascism.
Serious question. What is your actionable alternative? Actionable as in something you do
Disrupt the course of the water permanently (every day of the year), instead of a symbolic gesture one day out of the year.
In this case the water is the accumulating mass discontent and the drain is militarism and nationalism.
The faucet is capitalism. We need to put way more text on this leftist meme.
Revolution, which depends on worker organizing in preparation for the inevitable crisis points of capitalism to take the entire working class in a unified direction against the capitalist state. Smash it, and replace it with one run by the working class, for the working class.
So unionizing?
That can be part of it, but trade unionism alone is not revolution, nor can it become revolution without revolutionary organizing.
Yes, you need a vanguard party. It's easily to see when you look at India for example where strikes of dozens of millions, even over 100 million were organised in last few years but despite having the strenght way more than enough to topple the government and even entire system, they didn't even kept the status quo.
Bingo. Bowing to spontaneity is a foolish endeavor, you need direction for mass and force to apply pressure in a pointed area. It's like blowing up a balloon, it takes far less air to pop it if all of the pressure were able to be localized to a specific area, rather than generally spreading evenly.
Thats not even remotely the same
Vote as triage, but lower your expectations on a "big strong man" solving broken systems. Life is short; voting takes time from other meaningful activities. Triage, if time allows, but do other meaningful activities.
Being cautious of the "big strong man" will help recognition of the slide toward any of the flavors of fascism. Populists promise "for the people" or "for the workers" and then centralize "power to" and "power over". The revolution results in the same broken systems with normal people with no power.
Regarding individual actions:
- Build mutual aid with neighbors
- Develop defence skills (firearms, explosives, hand-to-hand, drones, cardio, trapping, etc)
- Learn real world skills (gardening, mechanics, chopping wood, carpentry, ect)
No gods, no masters. All power to all people.
Just got banned from the USA community for, at least in part, asking this..... Albeit less briefly and nowhere near as polite.
Your modlog is public, dumbass. You got banned for being an asshole. This uwu smol bean act you types try to pull off is so pathetic, at least stand by your behavior. If you have it in you to be a dick then you have it in you to admit you were being a dick. If you're going to be a genocide denying fascist then at least have the guts to not go crying elsewhere about how you actually just a super chill civil dude arguing for socialism.
Unfortunately for you, your modlog is public and shows you were actually banned for genocide denial
You were there, stop bullshitting. Quote where I denied the genocide, let's see it. What I did say was to get your head out of your ass and vote. Genocide denial is what's going on with you guys, only putting the dems on a magnifying glass while the other party plans resorts in Gaza.
"Genocide isn't so bad if it's to build Israeli settlements and not American resorts!"
Literally your only objection to the actions of the current administration is that it's Republicans doing it
Genocide denial is what’s going on with you guys
"I know you are but what am I!'
Fucking literal 12 year old
In your last fucking post. I know you BlueMaga shitlibs can't remember anything more than a week ago but now you can't even remember your own previous post.
Or do you just love how things have been going this past decade?
Shrilly screeching at leftists that they must shut the fuck up and vote for Democrats has literally been your strategy for a decade, if you don't like how it's been going, stop doing it
Your point of view is fucking disgusting.
Hahahaha. Dude you're unintentionally hilarious.
It's the fucks who didn't vote that got Trump elected.
That and election rigging.
A vote for Harris was basically a vote for Trump, since she was destined to lose.
Actually the way elections work is the people who vote for a candidate are the ones responsible for bringing that candidate into office. This, in theory, leads to political representatives seeking policy that is popular within a large part of their constituency so as to have as large a voter base as possible. If you fail to do so, then you are likely to lose the election (See: Kamala Harris).
lol, liberals have been reduced to political incels.
"I'm a nice guy, you OWE me your vote you stupid removed, and if you don't give it to me then whatever ~~Chad~~ the RNC does to you is your fault."
They actually do know what the words mean and they are using them in a correct manner. Try to explain, using your own words, why you think it is incorrect, so we can see where you went wrong and help educate you.
And when challenged on their rancid beliefs, liberals' only fallback is to act as either Sartre's antisemite or a caricature of the evil communist bad guys that we all absorbed as children. "Shut up! Sit down! You don't know what you're talking about, support the Party if you know what's good for you! You are like a child, and I am a smart adult who knows that assisting with a genocide is like eating vegetables!"
As with all fascist rhetoric, liberal portrayals of communism were all projection. When events and people move beyond their control, their only idea is to put on the 40k commissar cap and start trying to root out heretics and traitors. Because the problem couldn't possibly be them.
That's like saying that 5 wheels on a semi that stop turning are responsible for the truck turning right instead of left.
Candidates win elections based on the numbers of people that vote for them, not the numbers of people that don't vote for them.
I'm pretty sure that's how electoral democracy works, but check me if I'm wrong about that, if there's some byzantine requirement for a plurality of citizens that frames everything in a counterfactual way.
Uhm, if the wheels are functioning, then what is their use? Man, that's a poor metaphor.
You are calling non-voters useless while defending their lack of operation?
I have nothing to say. You said it.
Why are you types so hell-bent on making conversation as difficult as possible? You write as though you are trying to convince people to vote for democrats, yet you consistently flee at any chance of having an actual discussion, resulting in only being able to preach to your genocidal choir.
Typically in forums such as these a person does not write in order to convince the one they are responding to, but to influence the people just reading the sidelines. In order to influence those people you have to make your position appear cogent and reasonable. If you continually fail to engage with anything the other argues, then all you do is make yourself look stupid and uneducated, reflexively defending a position you in no way understand.
Your initial argument was terrible, yet instead of just writing that people decided to explain why it was terrible. The user you are responding to here did so via an analogy that could be better, but one that was completely understandable. Yet you decide not to engage with their argument, instead you behave like a petulant child playing dumb in the face of something they do not care to understand. Why then even write anything to begin with? What is the point of your text? I know I will not get an answer to these questions from you, since you types are allergic to answering questions for some reason. I don't understand it, not even from a vitriolic or hostile perspective. When I am certain in my beliefs, my position, my reasoning, my arguments, then I do not shy away from answering simple questions or at least adressing why I feel they are beneath a response.
Lol, just throwing everything at the wall now
Classic nazilib.world, "anything not liberal is a BOTTTT"
Yes, we know you're a paranoid McCarthyist who sees all dissent as part of an evil conspiracy.
Fascism shill? I didnt see them advocate voting for democrats anywhere.
Being pro maga is when you accurately point out a promise of treats for Amerikans doesn't outweigh genocide and imperialism.
Never beating the not seeing people outside of the west as human allegations.
"Anyone who dissents is a subhuman foreigner"
Forgot to add: "Everyone who disagrees with me is an unthinking machine" And Other Insane Conspiracies For The Right-Wing Mind
And straight to dehumanising. Really leaning into not seeing non westerners as humans.
Looking forward to seeing you and your ilk getting what's coming to you as your empire declines.
Your syntax is also incorrect, does this mean we get to disregard everything you say?
Genuine question: What part about accurately pointing out that the democrats are fascist makes me a republican?
Democrats are fascists. They are in favour of: Concentration camps, slavery, mass surveillance, a police state, the MIC, genocide, imperialism, persecution of queer people, persecution of POC, persecution of marginalised groups, group punishment, election suppression, voter suppression, and everything else that the Republican party and fascists in general love. They are massively nationalist and religious zealots. They harp on about patriotism, the bible, how great the US is, how evil foreigners like the chinese and russians are coming to take it all away.
It does not matter that they are less crude, this is what they support politically.
Liberals aren’t fascists
They are actually.
Fascists are trying to suppress/dissuade/undermine the vote... all im sayin.
You mean like how Democrats are actively sabotaging leftist candidates? Or how Democrats rig primaries? Or how they constantly run propaganda to dissuade anyone from even considering voting for a third party? Or how they gerrymander?
Really? I mostly see the fascists coming in to demand we vote for their genocider of choice.
LOL
Liberals are trying to get me to vote for pro-genocide candidates...all im sayin.
Literal psychopath.
Gaza wasn’t going to be spared regardless of who won
disgusting
Glad fro once this lib isn't pretending anymore and confirming what I always say.
They DGAF about anything but themselves.
Not Palestine, not Iranian schoolgirls.
War is bad because it makes their gas prices high and it puts american babykiller military in danger.
That is their disgusting attitude.
I really hope they get all the worst of fascism, they deserve it
What in the ever loving fuck are you babbling about?
I don’t like being told that I’m a fucking liberal
Have you considered not being one then?
Stop shilling for liberals then, genius.
Yelling into a mirror
other things to vote on
Genocide isn't "the one thing", it is the last straw on the back of a very tired camel. There is no longer a single political issue where the democrats have yet to show themselves to be actively detrimental.
Everything else was put aside for this one meaningless issue between both parties. Meaningless as in, Gaza wasn’t going to be spared regardless of who won, and yet, somehow we managed to make it worse in that and every other possible metric.
The majority of palestinians died under Biden. Things did not get worse, you just did not have to pretend to care. In actuality the Palestinian cause is the first one to create any actual progress in the fascist duopoly of the United States. AIPAC is radioactive, psychos like you have to, at the very least, pay lip-service towards the ongoing genocide instead of denying the evidence seen by your own eyes.
You people somehow demand everything is solved immediately if people dare to suggest an alternative to voting for genocidal fascists, yet any critique of the genocidal fascists get dismissed with vague platitudes about slowing things down for some promised day when things will change. How do you think change comes, if not by the focused efforts of people working towards it?! This asinine insistance on entrenching a mass-murdering status quo that you types keep arguing for is deranged. It makes no sense.
Genocide isn't "the one thing", it is the last straw on the back of a very tired camel. There is no longer a single political issue where the democrats have yet to show themselves to be actively detrimental.
I'm sorry but I don't get it. The genocide hasnt stopped, its probably gotten worse, Trump ran to attack Iran after every other president in my entire life had turned down Israel. How is anything better right now vs when dems hold any sort of power and just pretend they can't do shit? Like I also get how fucking stupid their spineless are, but on this specific issue, both sides are virtually the same? So why make this the issue that decides everything else? Trump has directly made my country worse by very directly interfering with our elections and pardoning our drug lord president. He's emboldened the far right around the entire world, he's turned corporate America into the owners of the world, tripled the price of gas in less than a year, and is about to throw us into the deep end of a worldwide depression. The cracks were there but this motherfucker is pushing with all he has to break things, and the genocide is still happening in the background. I truly, sincerely don't get it.
The majority of palestinians died under Biden. Things did not get worse, you just did not have to pretend to care. In actuality the Palestinian cause is the first one to create any actual progress in the fascist duopoly of the United States. AIPAC is radioactive, psychos like you have to, at the very least, pay lip-service towards the ongoing genocide instead of denying the evidence seen by your own eyes.
My eyes have been paying close attention since October 7th. Do not make the mistake of assuming my identity just because I am arguing for voting. I am American, because I live in the continent of America, but I am not a US citizen. I am Honduran, living in Honduras, watching this madness unfold and unable to do shit about it. I cannot vote in the empire's games, I simply take it in the ass when you make the wrong choice. You've all been making the wrong choice for at least the past decade (definitely longer), and we're all paying for it.
You people somehow demand everything is solved immediately if people dare to suggest an alternative to voting for genocidal fascists, yet any critique of the genocidal fascists get dismissed with vague platitudes about slowing things down for some promised day when things will change. How do you think change comes, if not by the focused efforts of people working towards it?! This asinine insistance on entrenching a mass-murdering status quo that you types keep arguing for is deranged. It makes no sense
What makes no sense is arguing anything else for election day. You just go out and vote for not trump, for anything that makes trump and his base lose power. Its not as hard or as immoral as you make it out to be. What makes no sense is that you all argue this, then the fascists become MORE empowered, ad infinitum. You're essentially arguing for accelerationism, hoping that this mess eventually breaks people into revolution, or in similar words to yours, dismissing my arguments with vague platitudes about speeding things up for the worse, for some promised day when things will change. We're both probably arguing out of the devices built to prevent that from happening. Things are just going to get worse, but at least you won't have voted for "the genocidal party", right?
You could do all you say, organizing, pushing, resisting, fighting. You insist on doing nothing instead, and in the exact planned moment when the bullies pull out the rulebook and decide your actions, or rather lack thereof, give them more power rather than less. Then your actions, your voice, your presence shrinks by the power of the law of the land. But at least you didn't vote for the genocidal party.
accelerationism
Seriously, which fucking liberal podcast was it that has every single fucking shitlib suddenly parroting "accelerationism!" At every opportunity while also using it wrong
My eyes have been paying close attention since October 7th.
Ok, well that confirms you are deliberately downplaying the Democrats role in genocide rather than simply being ignorant of it
The accelerationism mention is because I simply cannot understand what you guys win from having trump or the GOP win.
Ok, that wasn't my question. My question is who thought you and all the other shitlibs who have suddenly started squawking it to reflexively bleat it at every junction while clearly not understanding what it means.
Yes you’re right, that is the one and only issue in the whole world which the US affects and I’m definitely downplaying it for the liberal agenda
I don't care why you downplayed it, there's no possible excuse
I really dont get it
I can see how you have a hard time understanding things if you always do what you've done here and ignore it when people explain the thing you dont get.
Why make this the issue that determines everything else
So you quote the part about this not being the one thing, yet if you kept reading instead of wasting time writing a whole bunch of nothing, then you might have gotten your answer. It was the last straw.
Trump
The only difference between Trump and the democrats is a bad tanjob. Democrats are just as gleeful supporters of insurgents far right militias around the world, there is nothing Trump is doing that they aren't doing as well. You claim to be a honduran, you should be well aware of this in that case.
You talk about "emboldening far right movements across the world" what the fuck do you think the democrats are doing when they're supplying bombs to Israel? Biden expanded the ICE camps everyone were freaking out about under Trumps first term, yet none of you motherfuckers bat an eye. None of the things you mention here matter to you, you only care because the guy in charge is fat and rude about it.
Since October 7
Which, as we all know is when history began.
What makes no sense is arguing anything else for election day. You just go out and vote for not trump, for anything that makes trump and his base lose power.
Nobody here is arguing that people should vote for Trump, what are you smoking? People just also think you shouldnt vote for the other group of fascist genociders.
You’re essentially arguing for accelerationism
You have to tell me what lib-ass podcast that had an episode about accelerationism recently, because all of you half-wits throw the term around now and none of you are using it correctly. Was it that behind the Bastards slop?
Buddy an accelerationist would vote for a democrat, YOU are arguing for accelerationism. You do not understand the term.
Things are just going to get worse, but at least you won’t have voted for “the genocidal party”, right?
I thought you understood how terrible the democrats are, yet now they're "the genocide party"? And they're somehow going to improve things? Weird how your position changes to whatever is most beneficial to your argument in the moment, almost like you dont have any ideological rigidity or real understanding of the world.
Are the democrats a bad party that one has to vote for because the republicans are worse, or are they a party that will improve things?
It is much better to try to do anything to affect positive change than to vote for a group of genocidal fascists that are making things worse - which both the democrats and the republicans are. You people are so fucking facetious, you always swing from "oh they're also bad, I acknowledge that" to "Wow just because they're not perfect???"
I want things to improve. Therefore I cannot vote for democrats, since they are only making things worse. I especially cannot vote for them unconditionally, since that gives them absolutely no reason to ever improve. If it is true that the people like me are the reason the democrats lost, then why are you mad at us - a group that made very clear, simple and easy to follow demands of those wanting our vote - instead of being mad at the democrats, a party that could not win an election against a man as uniquely terrible as you think he is? Why is your ire not directed at the absolutely incompetent politicians within that party that somehow managed to ignore the one group they should have listened to if they wanted to win?
It is because in your mind the party cannot fail, it can only be failed. You are like a circus elephant, broken to the wheel, despite the fact that you could easily move beyond it now in your adulthood.
You insist on doing nothing instead
Why is it that when you people hear "dont vote for democrats" then that becomes "give up and do nothing at all, all is lost"? What is it with this defeatist attitude of yours where the only thing there is to do is to vote for democrats? Is it because you are disingenuous assholes who know you can't argue against the actual position with which you find yourself in disagreeance, or is it because you are such a frothing at the mouth blue team fascist that if someone does not give their unconditional support to your xenophobic bigoted geriatric police-state fascists, then that means they are functionally non-existent?
We managed to make it worse in that and every other possible metric.
BlueMaga liberals can't help but admit they were genocide deniers when it was your team doing it
The genocide actually slowed down under trump you fucking idiot.
"How is deny the magnitude of a genocide when it was my team doing it genocide denial"
A NeoNazi saying that the Holocaust happened but only killed a few hundred thousand is still a holocaust denier. A BlueMaga loyalist saying that technically there might have been a bit of a genocide under Biden but it didn't actually get that bad until we could blame Trump for it is still a genocide denier
It's the single issue because democrats have fucked up every other issue. People are begging them to give them any excuse to vote for them, but Democrats just love genocide. Like you - you somehow cannot help but defend it.
On top of that its not single issue. Its foreign policy. Gas prices are high because people like you love murdering muslims.
Single issue voters I swear to fucking god
You have to be a completely soulless piece of irredeemable human waste to try to write off mass genocide as "a single issue".
I became a genocide denier in your eyes for simply trying to argue that there’s more going on in the world
No, that's not why and you know it, so add being a lying piece of shit to being genocidal scum.
If you don’t like that, I eagerly await your viable alternative that doesn’t make the world fucking worse after November.
How about this, the Democrats denounce genocide and sanction Israel.
what's so difficult for democrats about being against genocide, war, and ICE? a few of them have said one or two good things but the party as a whole misses the mark and it's pretty good odds that a given person doesn't have one of the handful of good reps.
I totally understand feeling slimy as fuck being forced to vote for people like that. I don't know what alternatives there are for the upcoming month other than just sucking up and going through with the voting. That doesn't mean you're sacrificing your morality or values by playing the game for election day. Just for those days, you play their game to try and claw some voice back. Every other day we must force them to play our game. We aren't, we maybe can't right now, but we can't also let them play us on the few days we're forced to engage them on their turf. Elections are the civic duty you go through as part of your social contract, but that's not where our true fight lies. That's how I see it at least; its a moment to hold the line, voice some sort of opinion, limited though it may be. It may be the only thing allowing you to organize in the future without being labeled a terrorist for your dissenting opinions.
Nobody can force me to vote for genocide. Weird how that works, isn't it?
I totally understand feeling slimy as fuck being forced to vote for people like that
No you don't, you won't even acknowledge the degree of the Democrats crimes.
I don’t know what alternatives there are for the upcoming month other than just sucking up and going through with the voting.
Well there were two years to work that out.
Every other day we must force them to play our game.
Maybe you should have done that some time in the last decade then
It may be the only thing allowing you to organize in the future without being labeled a terrorist for your dissenting opinions.
Lol
No you don't, you won't even acknowledge the degree of the Democrats crimes
Well from where I'm standing its you guys who don't acknowledge the degree of the GOP (and Trump) crimes. Like I see the hole on the ship but I'm a bit more worried about the other ship that put a hole into ours, still there, visibly loading up more slugs.
Well there were two years to work that out.
And there's going to be another 2 years after this where more can be done, but only if people don't vote for more fascism in this one.
Maybe you should have done that some time in the last decade then
I was a bit too busy being from a third world country to do anything about it, sorry.
Lol
Lol indeed
Sure we do, we just also acknowledge the Democrats do the very same. So since we want things to improve we realise we have to do something other than empower the only two parties that think genocide; corruption; police violence; mass surveillance; concentration camps; modern Gestapo; global warming; pulling the last copper wire out of the walls of the decrepit husks of the state; deregulation; constant bailouts for banks; Lockheed Martin; graft; the MIC; hunting down leftists, queer people, the homeless, POC, Union organisers and woman that want to be more than broodmares for sport; is awesome.
Who knows, it just might work if we stop unconditionally voting for fanatic theocrstic neoliberal geriatric fascists? Could be worth a shot, might work to try to do literally anything other than the thing we have been doing for several decades while everything has turned to shit. Actually voting unconditionally might have been part of the reason things suck now, since the politicians know they just have to say "he loves Russia" or "She's gay!" And then their voterbase will suck it up and vote for them even though they think they suck.
The smartest thing you could possibly do is shut the fuck up and stop libbing all over the place.
What, annoyed an ML is arguing common fucking sense? Ruining your accelerationist vibes? Sorry that I fucking despise Americans and their stupid ass choices. Guess that makes me a lib, then, for not wanting a modern Hitler as a neighbor.
Guess that makes me a lib
Yep
accelerationist
It's like a 12 year old who just heard a new word and is using it everywhere even when it doesn't make sense
Stop using words that you don't understand, lmfao.
Well from where I’m standing its you guys who don’t acknowledge the degree of the GOP (and Trump) crimes.
Nobody gives a shit. The genocide wasn't better under Biden regardless of where you "stand".
And there’s going to be another 2 years after this where more can be done, but only if people don’t vote for more fascism in this one.
That's what you were saying 2 years ago.
I was a bit too busy being from a third world country to do anything about it, sorry.
Then shut the fuck up.
