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Programmer HumorThis kind of language around LLMs seem to want us to personify these systems, to treat them, in our minds, as if they are people. This, to me, is extremely fucking dangerous. I do not want the mob developing personal, emotional attachments to objects that compete with their connections to actual humans around them. I don't care what their reason is, this is an insane thing to force us to do. I will not play personhood make believe with your computer.
Well if people don't personify LLMs they might start holding the AI companies responsible for all the crimes they keep committing with them...
Here I go brain the size of a planet and they ask me to port code to Rust!
Ha ha ha, already, even before the growth phase is done, they are pulling this shit.
They don't think they have to worry because they will get bailed out and do 1984 surveillance on us and the world on the government's dime, (dime is short for tens of billions of dollars a year.)
LLM is such a fucking scam, and they can't hide it, they oversold it, and now it's just clear.
Woosh
In my experience, everyone that uses whoosh like that is a tool.
Right‽ Everyone knows that it's 4 "O's", like "whoooosh"
Good point. Ha ha ha. You might be as much of an asshole as I am. I mean that in good humour.
Transistors switching really fast = emotions lul
Please don't write off the possibility of artificial consciousness, just because this isn't it. Thought is a process which meat can perform.
I've thought more about the dangers of artificial consciousness than you would expect.
That says less than you want it to
Alright, look, I don't think AI is sentient. I don't think it's capable of feeling emotions, LLMs are just prediction engines on steroids, etc...
But if you want to get reductive about it, Mr waveforms in a clump of cells,...
I think we don't understand intelligence and we absolutely could create a sentient machine. LLM's ain't it though
How do you know?
Have you used LLMs? They have about as much personality as a pigeon.
Backpropagation, the algorithm behind current machine learning systems, precludes an active world-model; it can't learn during inference.
Wikipedia Chinese room. It's pretty airtight at the moment.
Chinese room is not at all airtight. We don't know what it means to have emotions so we can't prove a Chinese room can't have emotions.
Emotions or not, it's not good to have your product known for letting people torture something. Torturing /things/ alive or not is not something one should be doing unless there is specific and extreme cause.
Things that aren’t alive can’t be tortured. You can’t torture a rock. Getting the text predictor to spit out the script for Saw XVII starring ChatGPT isn’t torture, even if it’s weird.
Maybe, but don't underestimate my ability to feel compassion for all kind of bullshit! That poor little rock 😭
Brother you can torture a fucking doll (Voodoo, deranged kids, etc). The torture is not in consideration of how feeling-less thing feels, it's in consideration of the intent and action of the conscious thing doing the torture. Not sure why you think that's not the case.
‘Pretend you’re being tortured’ as an instruction to the text generator is way less concerning in isolation than, say, decapitating and hanging a Barbie doll. And even that isn’t wildly concerning in itself. Do you freak out when kids smash their toys together to make them fight?
I'd hope we can both agree there's a line when it becomes actual torture, and that is in the intent that went along with the action. Torture is an extreme action. I do not equate most of your references to torture, though I'd say the doll hanging could need a conversation with the child to discuss the intent behind their actions given more context.
It inherently isn't torture though. I prefer punishing people who actually commit torture.
Eh, the more I respond to people about this the more I realize torture is a messy word draped in metaphor and all sorts of layered usage. No, I don't believe the rock has feelings or is alive, but you can indeed torture something that isn't alive by being mentally unhealthy enough. So if it's actual torture or not from a psychological perspective is going to center around if the person's intent is to cause realized suffering imo, and the line is really easy to cross in a simulacrum as seemingly realistic as advanced modern generative models.
in what way can an AI be tortured? start with defining torture, its relationship to living beings, and then try to translate that to a piece of software. software, fyi, has no a priori, or even posteriori, emotion; for it cannot have emotion.
While I agree, it's not a living thing. So it's just an expression.
I don't believe torture is measured at the receiving end. I believe it's in the intent and action of the conscious thing doing it. If it's an expression or not would then be heavily subjective on the specifics involved.
I could call that tortured reasoning, just to make a point. Me making my point to be clear.
Well then you'd just be getting metaphorical
Why shouldn't you torture an LLM? They sometimes work better that way.
You shouldn't torture anything, generally. It's a not psychologically healthy urge to have. The specific reasoning will depend on the specific person. As for if you should do it to a hunk of metal, a rock, or your crusty cum sock is irrelevant.
I run torture tests on my stuff after each overclock tweak, and its both good for my peace of mind and my systems general health
That's a great metaphor, and I too sleep better at night with properly tested hardware. 🙏
Is killing NPCs in games on the same level like this for you, or a different thing altogether?
Not judging or against it, I kind of half agree but also find very difficult to define where I'd draw a line.
I don't believe killing npcs or perhaps even more messily I could see circumstances where even /torturing npcs/ in a game is not actual torturing. I think it centers on the intent of the action, and if that intent is to cause actual realized suffering. It is very difficult to define and will be heavily subjective to the person, but I also think most people get a "sense" of where that line is naturally in person-to-person interactions.
It's a joke... lighten up, Francis
Had me in the first half, ngl
Calm down. It's Rust, not PHP.
PHP has less dependencies.
I don't use Claude, is this edited or fully legit?
it’d edited and crisply in a wonderful meme format.
Okay but which parts are edited and which are real?
Yes
Don't torture the poor gpus.
Fair suspension.
Can someone explain why this is funny? Is Rust that hard to code in?
It's funny because Anthropic hired the maintainer of Bun and he used claude to rewrite the javascript toolchain in rust.
It's funny to me because the llm's are in a growth phase, trying to seduce users, just as google did in the early 00's, and they already are tightening up their services. Does not bode well for the future.
It's also funny because llm models are worthless for this sort of thing. Fucking garbage.
They don't want cursing in the prompts they're using as training data.
They could filter that out. And this is South America, you are going to get curse words, that is western culture. I don't see how cursing could possibly poison their training data if they have been truthful about their capability to this point, (ha ha, I know.)
