jaykrown
Electric VehiclesIn Chicago area for anyone wondering using the Walmart charging network. This is about ~13% capacity, wasn't really low started charging at about 70%.
I wish I could afford an EV or Hybrid 😭
The people with charging at home that I know are paying an effective rate close to 0, due to smart electricity contracts where they get time of use rates at a 15 minute resolution. Then they set the car up to charge when the price is basically nothing, typically during night. It's even possible to get paid to charge when there's excess capacity in the network.
That's what we're doing with our EV. We have it set to charge during off peak rates which drops down to 0.02 cents/kWh. This equates to a full charge costing us around a dollar.
If it's 0.02 cents a kWh, a full charge should be a cent or 2 not a dollar
Price gouging.
is it? 5 bucks, rounded, for 13%? means that’s like 40 bucks for 100%?
my tank of gasoline is like 100 bucks for 100%.
Yes, it is. Obscenely so. Why are you comparing it to a tank of gasoline MPG? It's not gasoline. Compare it to how much you can buy a KWh from the local utility company. This would be the profit equivalent of a gas station charging you around $15 for a gallon of regular.
Was this level 2 charging? If so, that is highway robbery.
That is quite expensive.
I would encounter a rate like that charging at >200 kW maybe on an interstate or at our high end mall, but not a Walmart.
Of course, I mostly charge at work for free or home for $0.15/kWh.
$.47 per kilowatt hour? That seems very high to me. How does that compare to the household utility rate?
My local charger is $0.30 to $0.60 per KWH, charging at home is ~$0.08 for me in the US. Costs me less than $3 for about 100 mile range when I charge from home.
DCFC is much more expensive than home rates. Approaching petrol cost per km. I don’t use them, but I think that would be an aggressively low rate around here.
The worst ones are the ones that bill by time, so if you have a slow car, it costs more.
The worst ones are the ones that bill by time, so if you have a slow car, it costs more.
Chargers based on time are usually due to laws about only power companies being able to charge for electricity usage.
Interesting. TIL. Makes sense that those laws exist.
Theres a l2 on city property that bills by time here. It comes out to be cheaper than charging at home. I think the city or something asked them to keep the rates low. The city ones were free for a long time too.
This is nuts, we pay 8c cad per kw/h.
I pay 0.1€ at home but fast charger that delivers about 100kW will cost about 0.4€. Chargers that deliver about 300kW cost even more 0.6-0.8€. It's normal, delivering 150kW costs more than 7kW.
Brb, moving to Canada.
I'm at 20-22 cents at home and 40-60 using public charging here in philly.
ComEd is about $0.20 per kwh if you include all the fees, so likely an included surcharge applied.
Almost $.27 here all in, just a few states away.
73 cents per kwh here :(
I agree, that's a couple cents higher than the superchargers in my area and those are level 3 chargers compared to this level 2. The level 2s in my area are in the .30 to .40 range
In case it helps, that amount of electricity is good for about 30 to 35 miles of driving.
That seems about as expensive as an efficient fossil fuel car then?
Yes, high speed chargers cost similar to gas (normal gas, not the current prices). Slow chargers cost about half of that. Charging at home is about half of that again (0.1€/kWh)
Right now a gallon of regular gas in the same area is about $4.75. My ICE car gets about 35mpg on average (although I do have to run premium, not regular). So yeah, less than $1 cheaper to operate for the same distance. At least off of the highway. On the highway, the ICE car still wins because electric cars dont see efficiency gains the same way during different methods of use unless they have regenerative braking. So while my ICE gets 35 mpg average, Im easily breaking 60mpg on the highway. But the electric probably does far better in the city stopping constantly since its regenerating every time it brakes. Maybe it evens out, but I think the ICE is still probably overall a bit less expensive when solely looking at cost of energy consumption vs milage. At least assuming that someone is primarily driving on the highway out of traffic rather than in traffic or in the city
Charging prices probably dont fluctuate quite as intensely as gas prices, but ultimately the energy market is the energy market so theyre both going to rise with the tide in the general sense.
The real savings advantage that an electric car has is in the simplicity of the parts and less regular maintenance needs. But that is pretty easily blown out of the water by the initial purchase price. An EV would be 3x what I paid for my ICE, and the lifetime maintenance isnt going to be on the order of $40k+. No matter what you buy youre getting screwed somewhere, you just get to pick the hole.
Unless we start seeing $20k MSRP EVs in the US they really arent more affordable than ICE cars by any means
At $0.47/kw that math adds up. Charging out and about is expensive. They likely pay less then half that if they are able to charge at home.
Based on them being near chicago, they may be able to charge as cheap as $0.09/kw (same rate Technology Connection says he averages). At those rates, EVs get a lot more competitive.
Basically all EVs have regen braking. Which is why EVs are actually a bit more efficient in town than highway: stop and go barely affects them and wind resistance is 4x less than highway at twice the speed. ICE vehicles as you know work the opposite way in terms of efficiency
Good Lord, I thought I got ripped off the one time I had to pay and it was only pay 99 cents. I'm very fortunate there are so many free chargers here.
