geneva_convenience
Palestineit will only happen once ALL religion is banned world wide.
fuck book worship
Socrates was right, books ruin human memory
it will only happen once ALL religion is banned world wide.
Religion isn’t the cause; settler-colonialism is. Religion is just a rationalization for the underlying cause. Removing religion won’t remove Euro-Five Eyes imperialism from West Asia.
fuck book worship
Never thought I’d see a liberal channeling Mao.
Socrates was right, books ruin human memory
You misunderstand what Socrates meant.
Thing is, religion is perfect justification. The Jews are God's chosen people, obviously they should get the land their forefathers lived on. It literally comes from an authority higher than ANY human organization.
Of course, Muslims will say that their version of the same God has different opinions. And Christians will have a third opinion (or a ton of them really). But it doesn't matter. Only your version matters. And if God says it's OK to kill gentiles, infidels, pagans, whatever and take their land, who are WE to question his supreme authority anyway? Profane authority is illegitimate in the eyes of true believers.
You misunderstand what Socrates meant.
bruh
Religion allows awful people to feel good about themselves NOTHING MORE
of course you defend your dope hit just like any other addict.
With all due respect this is the most teenage thing I've ever read
but the elementary explanation Socrates actual meaning doesn't?
your vain attempt to insult me only reveals your own prejudice. and your comment says more about your character than mine.
ok
of course you defend your dope hit just like any other addict
I’m a middle-aged, life-long atheist, dumbass.
atheists are just as bad.
I despise the certainty and lack of humility. you really thinking you are getting a full picture of reality is the pinnacle of hubris. But don't let that stop you from getting that dopamine hit from not having to think for yourself. Dogma is dogma.
To even imagine you are the culmination of evolution, rather than a link in a chain, which is what you are. There's much more evolving to happen maybe new organs or senses...
i believe the holiest phrase a person can utter are the words: 'I don't know'
once u can utter these magic words, you can initiate a journey of learning.
a full cup cannot be filled.
im agnostic
There's no such thing as pure agnosticism dumbass. Atheism, or at least soft atheism, is simply the "No." answer to the question "Do you believe that God exists?". Not "Does God exist?".
Is this a bit?
That’s nice. Congratulations on your galaxy brain.
But you still haven’t figured out what Socrates was talking about: the ability to exercise recall, a mental skill. He was literally talking about the capacity to store & recall information.
yeah well i was kinda of born too late to hang out in downtown athens and shoot shit with the boys.
btw, he's ALSO striking at the primacy of books.
Ah yes the famous religion of Capitalism.
@geneva_convenience The majority of humanity is oppressed by Imperialism but sure, ban their religion, that will help them.
Religion conforms to the ideas of the ruling class, not the other way around. Historically, religious aristocracy may become a class of its own with enough political power to challenge a ruling class, but they often have little reason to do so when they're already part of the club, so to speak, and even when that happens, the religion conforms to the ideas of the new ruling class. The evolution of Christian canon and its various schisms throughout history immediately jump out as an example to me cause I was raised a good christian boy.
This goes both ways, however. There's no shortage of examples of class struggle under a religious banner. From Protestant Europe, to Colonial Haiti to Qing-Era China.
Religion are weaponizing like many other things. The root cause is human fundamental bad aspects like greed. The palestinian cause is generally a cause for liberation from opression not for defending a religion. Even the Zionist leaders was not religious and many secular country is still supporting Israel
That leaves out the part where the ruling class and extremists constantly exploit weak religious minds to gain and stay in power. It's common to all major religion. Christo-fascist America, Zionist Israel and basically 3/4 of Muslim countries.
No use sticking our head in the sand. Religion is a tool used by them just as much as capitalism is, to oppress, indoctrinate and destroy the lower classes.
There is no such thing as a good and useful religion, at least not when you take into account the overwhelming harm it has done and is still currently doing.
I don't think what you said is wrong though, I didn't downvote. I just think it leaves out half the story.
I think you’re half way to a perspective not reliant on 2010s Reddit atheist cliches (and the implicit western chauvinism within). We agree that religion absolutely is an instrument of class domination and always has a class character. During the Russian Revolution the church was persecuted by the bolsheviks because it was an instrument of Tsarist autocracy that ordained the oppression of the serfs, peasants, and workers. But how about liberation theology in Latin America? The exact counterpoint. We should talk about institutions rather than religions, because is Islam intrinsically this?
No, it’s something the US, Saudi, gulf regimes and Zionist entity promoted as a bulwark against Arab nationalism and Arab socialism. Religion remains a key social force in most of the world, and this intrinsic inarguable position that ignores the social forces at play won’t due.
But how about liberation theology in Latin America?
Impotent class collaboration movement, if i even can call it "movement".
It's a good point and all but honestly, if you make two columns with good things religion has caused in one and bad things religion has caused in the other, the good basically amounts to a drop in the bucket.
It's like saying capitalism is a force for good because some countries have universal healthcare.
Capitalism isn't "good", in big fingerquotes because applying morality to ideology misses the point, but wage-slavery is "better" than serfdom, just as serfdom is "better" than chattel slavery. They are steps.
But more to your point, do you think if everyone suddenly decided to be atheist tomorrow, in 20, 50, 100 years we'd have less violence, hatred and war? I think there are plenty of effective ways of control already in effect. Western powers would hate Muslims even if they weren't Muslim. It's not the Talmud that makes Israel commit genocide.
I say this as I have a front row seat to Christofascists eroding every little progress we've made. So believe me when I say I have very little spare sympathy right now, but if first hand experience thought me anything is that the real culprits don't give a shit about religion
