STOP OMARCHY: Boycott Tech's Far-Right Backers
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LinuxProtest against the Omarchy/Omacom Foundation and the tech companies and executives funding far-right open source.
This is good messaging. I’m glad someone is making it explicit. I’ll bookmark this page and share it.
Oh Omarchy is "agentic" now? Is there a change they can point to that made it so?
Also the phrase "agentic Linux for the age of agents" makes my brain bleed.
Omarchy is a distro in the same way that I’m a fighter pilot because I stayed at a Holiday Inn last night.
Protest if you like, but I'm going to say: Stop talking about Omarchy if you want to hurt it.
The people who like it are going to like it, the ones who don't won't, and screaming about it just brings it to the attention of more people who never would have heard about it.
Am I crazy for saying that DHH is a far-right plant and Omarchy is a plot to destroy FOSS from the inside?
DHH is far right, clearly, I'm not sure they have a plan for destroying FOSS, they seem to be trying to normalize their worldview (which is bad enough)
Yes. You are. You people are acting like Omanchy existing will bring down democracy as we know it. Its just a project. Sure its got some weird backing and DHH is a scumbag, but y'all need to calm the fuck down. Just ignore it. It will go away.
They won't listen... here's a response to a similar comment I saw in another thread:
Ignoring fascists and hoping they go away is one reason why fascism is having a resurgence right now
You can't reason with unreasonable people.
Just because their goal may not be explicitly pushing far right nationalism doesn’t mean it’s ok to ignore. They must be shunned. Their political messaging is hate and none of us should support or condone that.
But we aren't supporting or condoning it. We also aren't shunning them. We are signal boosting this nonsense "distro" into the stratosphere. I am extremely online when it comes to tech and Linux. The first I heard of Omarchy is complaints on Lemmy. I've seen like three total people talk about it outside of lemmy. All of them were easy to skip ads. The actions here instead flood the feed with news about it over and over and over.
Normally the impact of a small group of people wouldnt matter but we are the exact demographic that they want reach with this. and y'all are doing the work for them.
...The heck happened?
I've been under a rock for a bit.
Explain to me: why is there so much hype (and controversy) around some Hyperland Arch Linux config, within like a month? Is this some astroturfing thing?
Positive polarization: a lot of rich people are donating a lot of money to it, maybe (probably?) because the creator is well-connected and the OS makes lots of references to AI. Negative polarization: The creator has bad opinions, and the OS is very AI-forward.
Disclaimer: I only know bits of this story and am missing details.
Creator vibe codes configs, makes a "distro"
Creator says fairly fucked up things online, effectively a "dog whistle" gathering right aligned attention and money- and a quite a lot of it.
Begins hiring similarly minded people, claiming "the money will be spent" on the distro
All of it wreaks of BS.
Yeah. Kinda feels like OpenClaw and a few 'trends' before that.
Probably the digital ocean donation.
Is The Primeagen also a garbage person? I've always thought of him as pretty down to earth and real.. But man he's been making them rounds with DHH lately and getting heavily involved in Omarchy
and with ladybird, another well known fashware: https://drewdevault.com/weird-guys/
He’s not. But people seem to believe we should crucify anyone six degrees from anyone remotely right wing now.
I think boycotting omarchy itself (easy to do) is a lot more effective than boycotting everything else.
Let these companies see their money go to waste because no one cares.
I have to ask: How exactly would someone support the fascist people just by using Omarchy? It costs nothing, there's no data collection, no subscription, nothing. It seems like a fucking purity test to not touch anything any possible fascist has ever touched.
You're giving that fuckers mindshare. Just DON'T.
This money is going into marketing and reputation-washing to make far-right politics look like normal open-source community building as well as attempts at centralization in FOSS.[24]
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this website is so scarily designed (in a way that screams “scam” to me regardless of its content) that i doubt it will reach anybody but us
I get what u mean, but at the same time, there's plenty of "friendly," normal looking, and now probably AI generated, scam sites too. The colors are bold, but it's a simple, informative design. And if we, the ones who read and try to be vigilant of bad actors, are the only ones it can reach, so be it ig.
there's plenty of "friendly," normal looking, and now probably AI generated, scam sites too
there's way more non-friendly disinfo sites than those, the percentages
we, the ones who read and try to be vigilant of bad actors
—have heard about this before. Preaching to the choir will not help you fight the fascists.
I suppose the question is then, how should this site have been designed iyo?
I will continue never using it
And I salute your action of inaction! 🫡
I even ask myself if ignoring them and leaving them to the irrelevance they deserve would be a better move than giving them the free "advertising" and probably even boosting their ego.
I'm right there with you. If anyone asks me about it, my response is "imagine that Arch Linux and OpenAI were going to have a child, but they were both doing too many drugs and alcohol, smoking 3 packs of camels per day each and lived near a garbage burning field in a Saharan country, Omarchy is the material resulting from that miscarriage".
There's just too many good Linux distros out there for me to even entertain the idea of ever giving that shit a chance.
"That sounds...dramatic! I may have to check it out, just for the train wreck!"
"Pre-configured Arch with agentic AI baked in."
I would agree if they did not have that much oil money backing them this kinda needs to be talked about imo
Aside from this dickhead and his shitty worldview, the OS is nothing more than a curated experience with what could be some fucking awful and dangerous AI implementations. I don't understand how people with any modicum of tech literacy wouldn't pass on this fucking thing INSTANTLY. I have always had mixed views on networkchuck, but to see him pumping this fucking thing up was pretty much my tipping point to writing him off completely.
And regarding DHH... I don't know how you could listen to this guy talk, and not get the Euroid sociopath vibes. Plus his little harem of fanboys are presumably gonna be jumping in at this point. It's just fucking gross. I passed on this months ago, and I will continue to pass.
I believe the ones pumping it up are the "AI bros" and "tech bros" AKA non-technical folks. These types don't actually have the skills or knowledge to put together something like this themselves so they rally around Omarchy because that work has already been done for them.
Yeah and sprinkle the whole thing with agentic AI that can have root access for these people... It's pretty damn yikesy lol I think a lot of people are gonna get hurt, unfortunately.
Just thinking of the poor bastard with the giant obsidian brain that has been the pride of his life for the past 5 years.
Network chuck is someone I really liked when his channel was small, but once I realized he was posting videos that were 5 minutes long with a 1.5 minute ad plug, I was done. He always posts software that is just a free tier of something when there is probably a free and good option instead.
Yeah, I'm on the same boat. Shit, I would even drink coffee at his pace when watching his videos. He's dropped real low in the lat year or 2.
Then there's Tom Lawrence for networking. Objective, each tool has it use case and he will push nothing, basically just voice hos opinions and why. Like if Louis Rossmann was all about networking and way less angry 🤣. Full disclosure, I fucking love Rossmann, my wife hates him.
How is this not straight up FUD? DHH is a very good developer, better than 90% of his detractors. Omarchy is popular for the same fucking reason that Linux was never the desktop of choice until Windows literally forced people to use it. It's a good default configuration of a collection of applications, put together in a cohesive, but opinionated way, by a person actually using the product AND wanting to be productive with it.
It's just a hyprland arch config bundle exactly the way Ubuntu is just a GNU Linux bundle. Sane people don't want to spend weeks configuring the most basic shit.
DHH is a very good developer
He has good qualities, or he'd have never become where he is today, but in case you haven't been around Rubyists much, most of us follow MINASWAN, and he clearly doesn't. More importantly, he's also shown support for Tommy Robinson in his own blog. It doesn't take a genius to see what he's doing.
Linux was never the desktop of choice until Windows literally forced people to use it.
Think of it as DHH forcing people to look elsewhere, then. There are plenty of excellent distros out there that aren't controlled by terrible people and work just fine.
Sane people don't want to spend weeks configuring the most basic shit.
theres plenty of distributions and flavours they can choose from, having a long history of being well maintained and without core maintainers and supporters having hostile views on the world.
People use Brave even though Peter Thiel is one of its main investors. People use Brave even though it was created by Brendan Eich, a homophobe and Trump supporter
Nope, not everyone uses Brave
Brendan Eich, a homophobe and Trump supporter
Even worse, the creator of JavaScript
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I had the sense that the general consensus in the inner tech circles is that Brave is bad and Firefox is good.
Its the outer ring of the tech circles still privvy to Brave.
Yeah but is it a reason not to do anything? Some people don't care, some are unaware. For the last ones we should keep pushing for making tech landscape a betted place for everyone
its fascinating to see libs cancelling people on basis of culture war... I also wanna cancel people on basis of class war
This is a two for one deal then
I am all on board with letting people know when open source is a bit too aligned with major companies or is somehow compromised.
I have no intent or need to use Omarchy.
This sites list of YouTubers to shun however is a bit too "purity test" for me. The reasons listed are, let's say extremely tepid in many cases.
I've never heard Jeff Geerling talk about any issue other than homelab stuff like hardware pricing and availability. His religious and personal views were not apparent to me at all.
I watched the Louis Rossmann video mentioned with the CO State Rep, and Louis was respectful and platformed this individuals commentary on the subject of privacy issues for a long time in the video. Generally Rossmann seems to criticize the living hell out of politicians left, right, and center.
I guess all I am saying is... Use whatever products you do or don't want to for your own reasons but, I disagree with the concept that I should brigade specific creators because they support Open Source but not 100% of my particular basket of other issues. We need Open Source to grow and need to reach out to diverse groups who can find value in it.
I will continue to listen to both Craft Computing Jeff (as far left as it is possible to be on social and gender issues) and Jeff Geerling (who is apparently conservative on these same issues) because I'm listening to them talk about homelab stuff, not telling me who to vote for etc.
You're listing some liberal identitarians as leftists here... 🤦♂️
Literally don't care what they are. Not relevant to their FOSS or general technology content.
Omarchy isn't even good. It shouldn't even be called a distro, it does nothing new. It's basically a script installer for arch
Sure, and Ubuntu is just a script installer for the kernel. Dear lord, is it a requirement to be so insufferable and asocial when you use Linux? My work PC is Linux, I hope I manage to not succumb to the incredible urge to lack any and all empathy, assume my way of using a product is the only correct way, and pretending that fiddling for hours with your system is a sane thing for everyone to want.
Sadly, this whole scheme has been resumed into "Don't use Omarchy because they are nazis!" -- "Oh? And where you got that idea from?" -- "B-b-because It's what they are!". It's nothing else than a shit-flinging contest, with no logical/coherent reasoning other than typical emotional/impulse-driven reactions for the sake of "feeling included".
Also, it's sad to see at how this community went downhill fast because of politics, and on how the mods shrug at these posts -- we are, indeed... reddit now.
https://jakelazaroff.com/words/dhh-is-way-worse-than-i-thought/
Yikes. So much yikes. I'll be a bit more invested now in deplatforming. I just thought the vibes were off in his NetworkChuck promotion.
This goes beyond that.
Did you even look at the evidence people always provide when talking about DHH? Or are you saying advocating for ethnic cleansing isn't nazi? Ime people love to pretend that leftists are just making shit up when most of the time we show the receipts, which are even in the link in the original post here.
child didnt even look at ANY of the evidence . AND THEN when they want to criticize the evidence presented , doesnt link ANY counter evidence .
ENLIGHTENED CENTRISM©®™ strikes again. BOTH sides are evil Mmmkay!? Mmmmkay! Ignorance Is Bliss©®™
No idea why you're negative on the votes, the centrism reeks of deceit.
At this point, Every time I hear someone say something about Reddit it's in the same breath as something hate-crime-y or something smallminded like complaining of politics in their hobby.
Like, "Bitch, please... Reddit is just a room of people, our communities are what we make of them, if you're complaining about the room then you're either in the wrong room or you're actively trying to make discourse worse."
I'm in here for a chance at descentalized community, and for salon, but I keep bumping into these side-shaved specimen masquerading as techies, trying to make space for the loudest white supremacists in any scene. It's fucking exhausting.
Both the Omarchy shilling and these attempts at smearing a lot of people with the least charitable interpretation possible of their words and actions feel incredibly artificial, so I'm going to do what is best for me and ignore both.
Congratulations, you've just managed to advertise the exact thing you oppose. I would likely have given zero attention or thought to Omarchy today if I hadn't seen this thread.
Also, I just read that "The Omarchy Doctrine" page; if someone seriously thinks that is a "fascist creed", then that is very interesting. About the person who thinks that. If someone could help me figure out what part of that is supposed to be outrageous or especially controversial, I'd appreciate any help!
Heritage is duty
Command is service
From “Hold the line”:
Omarchy is bringing that ethos back, and dropping the Code-of-Conduct struggle sessions and identity-overload nonsense that has plagued open source for far too long.
granted, i think the red alert website is misinterpreting the essay it cites, which analyses Omarchy overall as a fascist movement rather than the specific doctrine page
"Heritage is duty" refers to the heritage of computing, not of human beings. Completely non-outrageous in context.
"Command is service", ok, that explains why Omarchy isn't a democracy. I think many other FOSS projects aren't either, so I don't see anything outrageous in that either.
And you may of course disagree with their opinion on "Code-of-Conduct struggle sessions and identity-overload nonsense" (not words I would have used). Many completely well-meaning people hold different opinions on those topics.
To elaborate: Struggle sessions only refer to, of course, the 20th-century Chinese Communist denunciation rallies. Branding code-of-conduct enforcement with an explicit reference to communism and the emphasis on identity politics clearly asserts belief in the Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory.
OK, I wasn't familiar with that term; TIL. Again, it's not terminology I would personally have used; calling it a "fascist creed" over that still sounds like an exaggeration.
Many completely well-meaning people hold different opinions on those topics.
Not like that. There is a difference.
Yes, please tell us more about the fine people on both sides...
That is a fantastic page, well cited.
Also dang, I didn't realize Jeff Geerling was so conservative about homosexuality and abortion. Pretty disappointing.
Bit of a shock to see several people on there.
Yeah. If there is somebody that was/is a part of my life, I vet them personally though, following both the links given in this page and "google" them separately. I want to make up my own mind.
Yah, Rossman too. :(
Read the comment cited against Rossman and judge for yourself:
::: spoiler Rossman's supposedly 'transphobic' comment
I have my own idea of what a man or a woman is that I am going to guess is different from the politician in question. That being said, bringing this shit up all the time is absolutely counterproductive and useless. Especially when it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
Imagine if I was talking to a politician who weighed 400 pounds and agreed with me on an issue that mattered. And let's say that person did not like being referred to as fat because they do not think they are overweight. Would it be incumbent upon me to point out that they are fat? What benefit does that do for me? If this person is trying to help me not get screwed over by companies that lie and cheat to get laws passed in their favor so they can rob us blind, it's not really important in that moment that I point out that that person is in fact obese. What their personal belief of "obesity" is is a useless discussion that has nothing to do with my own actions and identity.
What people choose to do in their own homes or what they choose to call themselves is their business and is not something I care to discuss.
What matters more than that to me is what people tell me I am not allowed to do in my own home with the products that I bought and paid for. That is an issue that is much more important to me. :::
I don't think it's possible to argue Rossman isn't some degree of personally transphobic (for context, his video is about Brianna Titone, who is the first openly transgender state legislator elected in Colorado, and he is clearly referencing some degree of disagreement with her identity).
That much being said, he's highlighting, to conservatives in his own audience, the fact that he wants to be both respectful and actually look beyond those personal beliefs to affect positive change. And based on his larger corpus of work, I don't think that's dishonest in any way.
Rossman doesn't use his influence to lobby against trans rights. I don't even think anybody would have known he had some personal issues until he mentioned them in a specific example that encourages people to set their own issues aside, for a positive cause.
Precisely. Showing a basic level of respect to work together doesn't require agreeing on anything.
I read that as "I don't accept trans peoples gender, but will act like I do if it benefits me or my cause", is there another interpretation I'm missing?
it’s more “i won’t argue or discuss it at all because it has nothing to do with me or my cause”, not do’s or don’t
No, he's not one to pretend, he's saying that what he or anyone else thinks about trans people just not relevant to him in virtually everything he does, fixing devices or supporting or rallying against a trans politicians' position on other issues like technology.
To give a separate example, does Alice Weidel's sexual orientation have any relevance to your opinion of the German right-wing fascist party leader? No, it's similarly irrelevant, and I can make assumptions, but you don't have to tell me you support or oppose gay marriage to know that.
Which is true, but his opinions are still transphobic lol. I don't hate the guy for this, but let's not pretend he's not transphobic.
Yeah I can agree he has transphobic opinions, but they seem to come from a place of ignorance rather than hate because it's not worth spending his time over.
That's the part I don't get, is there worse then the quoted text that they said or?
Pretty benign comment imo
I don't know about the sources. If you read some of the sources, for example DHH's own words in his blog posts, while you find conservative grievances which is certainly fair game for disagreement, there are no smoking guns of far right behaviour.
The comparison of omarchy's design philosophy is particularly egregious. The philosophy is opinionated software. What does consuming a product without being in personal control of every single detail have to do with politics?
supporting tommy robinson isn't far-right enough?
As long as any form of will to power exists, there will be attempts towards facism. The point of open source is that the worst case scenario- something happens and you’ll be able to branch it and run it your way. That’s the whole damn point.
It is suppose to be so surprising- but that’s the life cycle of the modern day world. Leaders act very well towards their consumers and employeee until they get a real foothold to the point of being able to buy congressmen. Then they turn evil.
That’s the thing- they were always evil. They just hid their power level
You can't hatch the serpent's eggs
Yeah, don't use Omarchy, not sure why anyone would need to since there are versions with more stable support and a myriad of other free options for every niche. The site lists many great reasons not to use it, that is appreciated.
I don't use Cloudflare but I'll say that's probably the hardest service for people to leave because it's been the easiest to set up and forget.
Now my one gripe. The People to Avoid category is a weird omelette that put together multiple lists of people and brands them all as fascists to avoid. It's a set of massive purity test retcons that are not productive because it mixes overt bigots (Yarvin) and Silicon Valley grifters (Dorsey) with people that are living foundations of open source who are accused of odd behaviour.
Is rms going around harassing women? Cuz the last talk I watched of him he was battling cancer. (I have read the Stallman Report, but as far as I interpret it he is just trying to make sense of normally taboo topics by writing it out, even if the way he writes it out people feel harmed or creeped out about it because it doesn't match today's accepted norms.) I wouldn't ask him for dating advice but I wouldn't hesitate to ask him for computer advice. Louis Rossman has an opinion that I believe is wrong, but not one he holds strongly enough that he would discriminate or disrespect a customer over it or let it interfere with the goals of owning goods you buy.
Yes, question the questionable parts, but to avoid them altogether is excessive IMHO, each should be taken case-by-case.
Everyone, without exception, is flawed in certain ways. While there are people that make their flaws their whole identity, which you should avoid, for those who don't, you have accept to a certain degree to achieve solidarity and accomplish things bigger than themselves. That degree doesn't have to be charitable as me, but my opinion is that lists that make it seem all equally bad is disingenuous.
No no no, you don't get it.
Everyone to my right that I don't like is a Nazi.
Everyone to my left that I don't like is an ultra.
People around the same political position that I don't like are all trots.
If you disagree with me you're gas lighting.
Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
Hey, does anyone have good alternatives to CloudFlare to host my dns but also still safely self host things?
ClouDNS for DNS is good and cheap.
The more services you expect to be bundled with one provider, the more you will pushed towards bigger companies.
Safely is a spectrum. I'd argue that as long as you aren't under active ddos, cloudflare's stuff isn't all that useful. For DNS, I'd take a look at https://desec.io/.
Welcome, to the desert, of the real.
How is it "open source" with all that bloatware garbage it has? There is nothing open source about it from what I saw.
I have no idea what I just read (since I know next to nothing about programming and linux) but then I read this:
"Believe in redemption, not permanent condemnation. People can be wrong and still be welcome back when they step away from harm. This is not about outrage or scolding, but rather attempting repair and healing for FOSS and the world."
...
"Believe in the redemption of middle aged nazis who know exactly what theyre doing gois , OK?! OK! Happy-Go-Lucky!"
I may be too charitable, but I imagine it has to do with how many people, such as colleagues we may have, can fall for this type of shit. We're all able to be reactionary and give in to bs, some of us just have more knowledge and/or more empathy so we're able to see through it much easier. So while DHH may not be redeemable, some dumbass on Twitter who defends DHH may still be redeemed, depending on the choices they make and how much harm they do or don't do along the way.
ANY middle aged person should be able to understanf thst theyre supporting or spreading nazi bullshit.
Thats why we HAD to hang a couple propagandists during the Nuremburg Trials. If youre old enough to understand that youre supprting and spreading nazi bullshit? Youre old enough to recieve ALL the consequences of doing that.
I don't disagree
What are some some good distributions on the other end? Is there like a communist, ally software distribution? Everything is political.
AntiX (based on Debian) is the only distro I know of that is developed by vocally anticapitalist leftist devs, even putting "proudly Anti-fascist" on their main page.
They also are one of the few distros to take an anti-LLM stance (though with Debian itself being pro-AI now, it remains to be seen how far they will go to avoid new LLM contributions made to the Debian base).
AntiX is really great 👍
communist
basically whatever the FSF/GNU makes. check out Guix if you can put up with learning a little Lisp.
I mean, Redstar... I think that'd technically that'd be socialist, though.
More seriously, I think most of the non-fork distros don't tolerate that crap. Think Arch, Debian, Void, etc.
Something I'm keeping an eye on is this project. No clue what, if anything, will come of it.
Personally, I use Artix, and I'm considering NetBSD. I'm also consodering making my own Unix-like distro, possibly using the NetBSD kernel.
Not really, just use something normal that's there to provide software. Fedora (but remember to install video codecs), Arch (but use the AUR with caution), Debian (if you're okay with using neolithic-age software), SUSE (European Fedora with AppArmor instead of SELinux), Void (but software availability can suffer).
The BSDs seem cool but it really depends on your hardware if you can run them. NixOS is awesome technology but has problematic business relations[^1] so you might want to take a look at GNU Guix.
[^1]: I'm not totally sure what's going on there. There was something about a community split between Nix (the package manager) and NixOS (the distro) but I don't remember which side is which. Using NixOS with Lix instead of Nix might be what you want.
SUSE is now on SELinux too.
Oh really? Why did they switch?
I don't know for sure. They announced it one day, but I haven't really caught that much public discussion before that.
It might also be more accurate to say they switched the default selection, since you are able to select the MAC solution in the installer of the desktop versions, it's just that SEL is now the default selection instead off AppArmor.
This was the mail they announced the change in: https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/factory@lists.opensuse.org/message/YN4TCBCU4A2V5G2MWR5EWYF46267BO7F/
Never looked into that. Maybe Alpine though?
Operating system gives a framework, so it has the potential to change mindset on workflow alone, similar to how our mind operate differently while playing two different racing games. though operating systems has yet to see their rennesance.
I think the best thing you can do is to ignore omarchy.
Considering how often it's mentioned on Lemmy that's pretty hard tho...
That was my point. You are giving this project a lot of free visibility.
Fascism grows in silence, it should be combatted. If fascism is all people see, it becomes normalised. It wasn't defeated in the past by people doing nothing.
They passed a bunch on to Hyprland. Fuck all these transphobes and other bigoted right-wing assholes.
Actually, no. Fuck someone nice. Or don't; I'm not your mother.
Maybe you are 🫣 Jk, I do think hyprland is a nice WM. But man... The drama around it.
I mean, if you wa—oh, you were kidding. You could try some of the forks of sway. I've heard swayfx is pretty good.
There will be a day when I finally learn to code properly and fork the fuck out of X. I'll name it antifaX .
Or not, because it sounds... what's the opposite of sex positive? 🥵
I kinda want to fork Linux and make it AI-free and Rust-free. Wanna help? /hj
It is always easy to judge, especially when using a software that was mainly developed by tankies. Can’t always win.
"Judge"? My brother free/libre software, they're the ones who want me to not exist. I do not wish an ill fate upon them; however, I cannot tolerate intolerance.
Also, if they were vocally hateful against any other marginalised community, it would be totally unacceptable to the vast majority of Linux users.
Oh, there is no question about how evil Hyprland devs are. Don’t forget that tankies are pro-Russia and pro-Russia is anti-trans. Same shit, different boat.
It's almost like you have to judge software based on its utility rather than the political wisdom of the developer.
Nice comprehensive overview of why this piece of slop called a "distro" and its backers should be boycotted, thank you! Gives me even more motivation to finish up mine today.
Compiling a kernel? 😀
I'm making my own distro rn, announced it a week ago here and will likely release today or tomorrow! https://pu-239.org/ https://lemmy.ml/post/52307735
‘Oh come on!’ was my initial reaction, but I’ve read your website, and thought: ‘hey, that sounds nice!’
I’m not going to migrate all my Arch boxes (basically all my x86/64 boxes), but I may use it somewhere else, just to test the idea.
I loved the idea of Atomic Fedora, but it did not work seamlessly, and to my experience, it did the opposite: worse than a regular Fedora. I needed to babysit it, and also it didn’t auto switch the previous working system for me. Perhaps it’s me who missed something. As an idea, though, I think that’s what should click to a normie: you tell them to install this distro, get your handful of apps as Flatpaks and forget about the system, as it manages itself.
To keep this topic alive, let me ask you a question: how would you know what’s a working state, so you need to return to the previous one? Does it mean it didn’t boot, or anything else? Just yesterday, I had faced a weird issue: my old trusty MacBook Pro serving as a server now, had no WiFi (it has Ethernet port, but temporarily I cannot use it, so it’s wireless). The broadcom-wl driver switched to linux-headers, which I didn’t have installed. I don’t remember me changing anything, and fortunately that was an easy fix (with an external USB WiFi card): just install Linux headers, and it would rebuild itself. So I’m just curious whether it’s even possible to find out a stupid issue a normie user may face.
On the other hand, perhaps the distros like this are meant to be installed by someone skilled to then be used mostly unattended by a regular user.
‘Oh come on!’ was my initial reaction, but I’ve read your website, and thought: ‘hey, that sounds nice!’
Haha, I know I know, yet another Arch-based distro in this economy, but I really feel like this does fill a gap, thank you for your interest!
On the other hand, perhaps the distros like this are meant to be installed by someone skilled to then be used mostly unattended by a regular user.
My aim is to make this both appealing for the normie who just wants to use it like "SteamOS but with CachyOS speed" and run Flatpaks on it AND for the more experienced user who wants all the benefits of Arch but with a little more peace of mind.
how would you know what’s a working state, so you need to return to the previous one?
As the website explains, it automatically falls back to the last working state if it doesn't boot, but obviously it can't detect if something is messed up but still booting like in your example. In that case you just reboot and manually select the last working state (wip but kinda working already) just like a BTRFS snapshot, BUT it only rolls back the system itself, NOT your files. A BTRFS snapshot will also roll back your documents or whatever so my system, when it's stable and tested, will be superior in every way to BTRFS snapshots.
A BTRFS snapshot will also roll back your documents or whatever
Not necessarily. You can have your documents on one subvolume and the root system on another. I version and snapshot my root disk and home disk separately.
True, if you set it up out of the box with CachyOS it rolls the entire disk back, but I forgot that option was a thing, my bad!
Don't take it the wrong way, but if you "forget" such a basic thinkg, are you really suited for creating and maintaining a whole distro? Maybe you need a few years more experience first?
This looks amazing! Thank you for your contribution! :D <3
OK so this is a legit weakness of mine and it has to do with too many options. Creator aside what makes this distribution interesting and what other flavors resemble it? I’ve been trying for years to find the right flavor for me, I want something I update minimally and when I do update it doesn’t break. I’m using lmde note but I’ve had to wrangle it in and all I’m running on it is steam Nvidia gpu, yams, plex. I want to self host other apps but I’m terrified of the base install becoming unmanageable. I want this server to run games also.
Bread on Penguins has a focus on minimalism and might have some interesting videos, though she herself uses dwm.
Nix as a system is meant to be highly replicable.
Me, I just try to make a flashback point before doing anything funky, but that's nothing remarkable to aspire to.
Omarchy is a essentially an Arch setup with Hyprland.
However, if you don't want frequent and possibly unstable updates, I'd suggest staying away from Arch in it's entirety and trying Fedora instead. It's got plenty of OoTB setups to choose from without having to mannualy install and configure them.
Rolling releases as a whole are a lot better these days, but I agree Fedora is excellent (and it helps to not need the AUR at all)
Good post, but I don't like the mention of people and things that are not related to Omarchy. It gives feelings of just personal opinion. It should stick to the cause of boycotting Omarchy.
Agreed. Also this entire presentation looks too much emotional. It should stick to an informal type of presentation to be taken seriously. Edit: Also I'm highly against lists of people to avoid. Discussed this again and again, as this comes up again and again with these topics. Extremely dangerous thing to do!
Never heard of Omarchy until people started criticizing it. Are you sure you're not just giving them free advertising?
Ignoring fascists and hoping they go away is one reason why fascism is having a resurgence right now. Immoral behavior should be challenged as widely and publicly as necessary to make everyone aware that it's inappropriate. People don't stop doing immoral things unless there are social consequences for it.
Ignoring fascists and hoping they go away
EXACTLY. This is what I'm responding (in other words) to "free advertisement" argument as well.
Thing is, they launched with a lot of hype and investor money. The criticism is an entirely valid reaction to counter DHH's narrative around the (lazy spin off an existing) OS.
Are you sure you’re not just giving them free advertising?
No, this is critique and enlightenment. It's important to talk about issues people have.
I get the feeling that most of the fediverse is left-leaning, so I don't think it'll be an issue.
Neocities? I thought that was dead
You might be thinking about Geocities, it died in 2009. Neocities was inspired by Geocities but is a separate project launched in 2013.
Ah, that explains it
In their words they are open source, donation funded, zero advertising, zero ai data selling place to create free websites. A "social network of 1,751,700 web sites that are bringing back the lost individual creativity of the web. We offer free static web hosting and tools that allow you to create your own web site."
As the other comment explained already, you was thinking of Geocities. I actually recently put Neocities to my list of web hosters, in case I want to do something with it. Seems quiet nice and is a homage to Geocities.
Snake Plisskin? I heard you were dead.
I rewatched Escape from New York half a year back and oh boy does it still hold up.
I watched Escape from New York just a few years ago for the first time (ok its probably 5 years ago). And I had a blast, film really holds up. I don't know why I didn't watched it before, given that I'm an 80s kid and watched all the 80s and 90s films, and I am a huge fan (of the first) Metal Gear Solid. For any reader who don't know why MGS this is relevant: Kojima was inspired by this film when creating the Metal Gear series. The main character even is named Snake.
Big Boss using an eyepatch is no coincidence hehe
Little off topic now, but can't wait how his next project Physint will be. Its said to be an espionage game again, and the teaser art looks suspicious so far.
What are they getting for their money? Fork it if it's so good.
Forking would mean the main developers does not work on it. They would need to work on their own. Do giving money will ensure the project stays up (in theory). Forking does not solve the issues you have with the mainline project automatically.
The only issue anyone seems to be taking with the main line project is the dev. Half of his design choices are completely uncontroversial on the other half would never generate this much fucking heat.
Eh no, there are two big issues with Omarchy: a) political issues with the dev, b) many big, dumb and very dangerous security issues.
It is really funny that I have no idea what security issues there are with the software, because everybody seems to be concerned with anything but.
That's unfortunate that you are not informed. The best part is, that even DHH himself agrees that Omarchy has lot of bad security issues. His argument is that these get reported and fixed, so it will be secure someday (so his argument, but ignoring that vibe coding is never secure). Here is a part of the interview with Brodie in YouTube (about 10 minutes): https://youtu.be/M8gVXNlZFFg
- https://blog.happyfellow.dev/merchants-of-insecurity/
- https://youtu.be/DYu9391lVP0 another video from Brodie, this time talking about an issue where the default configuration was set to allow any remote control of Kitty without asking the user.
- https://lemmy.ml/post/52085916 Omarchy: Any User Process Can Escalate to Root (with default Docker password, that is no password)
- https://github.com/omacom/omarchy/pull/8129 [Security] Stop USB device names from being executed as Hyprland Lua
- https://github.com/omacom/omarchy/pull/7884 Stop an installed theme from running code - #7884
- https://github.com/omacom/omarchy/pull/7847 [Security] Stop a video title from becoming the Download Video play command
And the list goes on and on. These are not just security issues... these are dumb issues that should not have been there. Its incompetence and negligence. Every software has issues and bugs and security issues. But why don't the other distributions have this many dumb issues like these? And it won't get better, because its heavily vibe coded.
So I hope you are informed now.
Everything, every fucking thing on the right to the left Is designated as far right fascist these days, stop wasting my time.
Maybe that's because a ton of public figures are being brazenly fascist in public
Ah, another witch hunt in FOSS world. Some things will never change.
https://jakelazaroff.com/words/dhh-is-way-worse-than-i-thought/
I couldn’t care less about that asshole. My issue is with the people in the list, some of which aren’t even related in any way to Omarchy.
And I’m honestly tired of people whose only contribution to FOSS is manufactured drama, targeting actual contributors because they didn’t pass their purity test, which apparently involves never posting anything ever, or knowing exactly all the opinions and positions of all the people in an organization they donated money to. Even worse, we have Stallman in the list, and whatever opinion you have about the guy, he was never linked to Omarchy, and we would likely never had FOSS as we know it without him.
So yeah, fuck this performative drama shit, brought to you by some guy who hasn’t contributed anything relevant to FOSS, ever.
brought to you by some guy who hasn’t contributed anything relevant to FOSS, ever.
And yet they claim the same thing about people who criticize them... the projection is wild.
Man I'm just here to enjoy some Linux not drama. Can't avoid politics at all on Lemmy :(
Right there, just a few pixels further down. Welcome to freedom. 👇
Yes baby ! What a great page. Thank you, to this Brennan dude(tte) for creating it, and quick apolls to others for me primitively raging against every sign of this nazi/fascist club/product, and the whole nazi/fascist enshittification/normalization of 'open source'.
One nasty surprise in secondary list: 'suckless' - oh well, can't win them all :-(
Let's post this great page as a standard reply to all posts/mentions of omacom/omarchy going forward, so all those not knowing, can be warned about what it really is !
[ait] (warning - AI topic tag) Dear anti-ai, if you can muster it, then please lower defences slightly for just a sec: It's really time and energy consuming to follow and document this yucky movement as they are now heavily funded and work/move constantly 24/7. Brennan is a super cool Human, but can't work on this always, all the time. We might need an active agentic system that also work constantly 24/7 to track the whole fascist/nazi network, all its players, update the lists and make it easier for ordinary good peeps to reject and boycott it all. Supervised by a human oc.
We might need an active agentic system that also work constantly 24/7 to track the whole fascist/nazi network, all its players, update the lists
Why?
I mean, I'm not anti-AI completely, but building denylists with AI seems to be a bad idea. Is it really that time consuming that we couldn't just do a git repo and allow merge requests for people to collaborate?
Yeah, suckless was a bummer for sure. :( Although, with their elitist attitude, I'm not surprised. There's supposed to be a fork of their window manager at least, written by a really young person. Can't quite recall its name now...
I wonder if your idea is doable without using LLMs though! :)
