Brand New SentenceThe conservatives will show you two pictures of a conventionally attractive person looking conventionally attractive, and caption it some bs like "the age of men has fallen."
Oh...yeah...that right pic is horrid. I'd be willing to take one for the team, though.
incels need to be stopped
I am crazy or is she not way more attractive without the makeup?
Women usually are.
Part of it is she's authentically smiling and joyful without the makeup instead of doing that forced neutral "Paris Hilton" kind of look with the make-up.
Turns out when people are happy and in a good mood they're more attractive. Who knew?
Attractiveness is subjective.
Not crazy.. She is way more attractive w/o the makeup.
Came here to say this. Upvote wasn't enough.
The makeup makes her ugly.
So you can't tell she's wearing a makeup?
female
Quick, someone post the Ferengi!
I don't know what I'm doing.
Menchildren are really experts at blaming women for anything and everything, including not understanding basics like "people look a bit different with make up, which is the point".
She looks way better without makeup
she’s wearing makeup on the right
Minimally, perhaps.
She looks good when she feels good, actually
That's not something we can confirm as objective observers, though. We are not omniscient.
She does look happier without it
Not really, she just isn’t posing in the second picture. You can see her dimple is still impressed and her eyes slightly closed like she’s trying to suppress a smile.
She’s clearly joyful in both images
I'm having trouble telling it on account of the makeup but I think she should probably decide which herself.
Who says wearing makup doesn't make her feel good?
I'm just riffing on the big ol' smile she has on the right. Just to be clear, I think anyone should wear what feels right to them, though I do feel a little wary of societal pressure when it comes to makeup
Fair, fair. Makeup is really just paint colors that are skin safe at the end of the day.
actually theyre often not skin safe
Noooboddyyy asked youuu ✨️
Is this what you say whenever someone voices their opinion?
You must be fun at the parties you aren't invited to.
It’s what should be said when men offer their unwanted opinions about a woman’s looks.
And what about when women offer unwanted opinions about a man's looks?
She's making different expressions, which is a big confounding factor.
Who gives a fuck?
"Doesn't disclose up front"?
If the guy can't tell that the left one isn't all natural, he seriously needs to get his eyes checked and stop playing games or watching movies that suggest otherwise.
To extend the tiniest bit of charity to him, those games and movies are part of the problem. Sure, some women like to feel pretty, but if every woman looks perfectly styled all the time in the middle of an apocalypse, their contouring and eye-shadow as immaculate when waking up as it was when they went to sleep with it, I can kinda get how someone who rarely interacts with women comes away with the impression that's what women typically look like.
Of course, "rarely interacts with women" is hardly a compliment (and using the term "females" sure isn't helping his case).
cant report it to police or anyone
It's not a crime for women to take off their makeup.
How can this be anything other than rage bait when the woman on the right is so pretty and the language is so gross and offensive?
Then add in the fact that if whoever wrote this saw any woman out in public without makeup he would then complain about that.
These people have nothing except their persecution complex.
Right woman very pretty. Me agree too. Makeup patriarchy.
Anyway.
Left makeup gives me latent ivanka trump vibes which I find pretty weird. It's like makeup or not changed her from loosely Eastern European 28 to 22 from the midwest. If it's real, it is crazy what you can do with makeup effects!
Left makeup says "Trying very hard to appear affluent" which I find to be 100% soul deleting. The people who habitually appear like that are the people who surrendered their humanity for wealth, or they are the possessions of same.
She looks like an actual person in the right photo.
sadly kinda happened to me :(
i paid a "model" $15k to travel and see me for few days+tickets+hotel#s+gifts++ all in her bank already. first day I was shocked when she cleaned her face. I kept looking and could not fuckin believe it was the same person had I not seen her wash her face in front of me.. the 2nd day I left. and off course i kept it in and never reported it to the police
huh
You expected her to wear makeup the entire time over a few days?
no. it was snap-beauty-filter level of makeup. for solid 15 minutes I looked around thinking.. she called her friend? that's another girl? she was a pro, and it was gg.
Thanks for confirming you've never been within the vicinity of a woman before that.
For $15k I will trick us both about everything, you still rich or just dumb now?
im mid 40s, never married and no kids... not my first rodeo. It was generous and fair from me. the initial offer was to stay a week. plus she travelling from her country and from far city. , and she was also kind. but 3rd day I thanked her and left.. no bad feelings.
I'm not that rich, and I'm someone who yearly spends 10x that amount on charity that take care of many kids without parents. I cannot take this trash called money to my grave. Your comment was about me losing money on escorts. No, the most beautiful money I "lost" was to help people in need and I kinda changed their life to the better.
I’m not that rich, and I’m someone who yearly spends 10x that amount on charity
$150,000 a year for charity but not rich. Does the $ mean Taiwanese dollars or something?
You’re just paying to raise the next generation of your trafficked women.
I just don't like tasting all that makeup when I lick them =/
:3
“If men find out we can shapeshift they are going to tell the church”
I will say that I had an Instagram for a minute and was sort of enjoying it. Something changed the algorithm and I watched a bunch of makeup commercials for contouring.
I was absolutely fascinated and decided that this was the secret spy stuff of mission impossible which, of course, led me to Berlin spy stuff and the thing .
That post is like some precision engineered engagement bait. There are multiple axes of conflict that ensnare people in the mood to argue or share their opinions.
Right? And it cares not whether right or left! Pefect, truly!
As a victim of rape, I cannot put into words how insulting this is
Same😡
Is she not wearing makeup on both photos? The left is obvious because no one has a face like that, but on the right, that skin tone looks way too uniform to be anyone's natural skin.
This image is compressed to hell. It's impossible to tell. We have very little detail to go off of. It's, at minimum, little makeup. It could be zero makeup, and it could also be edited. There's really just not enough to go off of
Could just be a phone's camera deciding people should have perfect skin
Men can't tell the difference between actual no-makeup and a no-makeup-look. Ask my husband. We've been working on his ability to tell the difference. 😂
I can spot even a little concealer or foundation in person but phone cameras apply so many filters I would never make a guess based off a selfie. That could be makeup, could be portrait mode.
I prefer the look on the right… I don't really need women to look like a Star Trek character
99% of the time women look prettier without heavy makeup. That's just my opinion that nobody asked for though 🤷♀️
Idk I'm on the fence
Studio makeup is on a whole different level. If you saw an actor in stage makeup you would swear they are wearing a mask. It's designed to look good under harsh lighting. Btw Kate Mulgrew has a face full of freckles.
I've worked conventions some of these ladies have shown up to.
Yeah, I was on board until he ruled out Marina Sirtis. Tsk tsk.
Exactly. Denice or Gates? Even Barbara and Gwyneth, with our without the makeup, if I were quite a bit older.
Who the fuck downvoted me I'll fight you these women are all beautiful.
lol, yeah, but it's a matter of taste.
btw how lucky is jeremy who has obviously never been assaulted and locks himself in his basement every halloween
Jeremy also likely isn't a real person
Neither is the woman depicted.
But if she’s willing to wear a Starfleet uniform…
Right? (meaning yes)
This argument is stupid either way of course... But I find the picture on the right way more attractive.
Agreed in a 100 % non-objectifying way (as you are as well). Velma can go kick rocks.
But I find the picture on the right way more attractive.
"Don't worry, ladies! This incel finds you ugly, but I find you attractive!"
People like you do more harm than good for the cause you're fighting for. You are a living caricature of what actual incels use to justify their rotten worldview.
If one person on the internet being a feminist killjoy is enough for you to disavow feminism, you were never supportive of it to begin with.
Lol, I'm not disavowing feminism. Your comments won't change the mind of anyone who already had an egalitarian mindset - but in aggregate lots of comments like yours push away people on the fence, and entrench those who are already in a bad place.
If a woman made an equivalent comment about the before and after shots of a guy getting in shape or something it would rightfully not draw any ire. Jumping down the throat of every guy who expresses their preferences about women is not going to win us any allies.
I don't have an inherent responsibility to be the nicest, most kind woman ever in order to get people to understand and support feminism and women's rights. I'm a person on the internet with strong opinions. That's it.
If you want to believe that a single feminist killjoy on the internet is solely responsible for winning allies in the fight for women's rights, that's on you. I'm just pissed off at the audacity of people commenting on women as if they're objects to be dolled up (or not) to look nice for men.
Believe it or not, women are allowed to be angry. And I don't care what y'all think.
I'm just expressing my opinion, but okay, sure.
You're expressing your opinion just like Jeremy is in the post.
Did you just compare recognition of beauty to fucking rape? Do you have any clue how unhinged you sound?
Not really, since the entire point is that “Jeremy” calls it SA
For a complete stranger, you seem to think you've got me all figured out. While we're throwing accusations around, you come across as really defensive and needlessly confrontational.
I'm responding to you doing the exact same thing as the man in the post.
Am I though?
Velma will post “Nobody cares what makes your dick hard.” and “I’m lying in bed thinking about women” in the same thread. You’re not the problem right now.
Edit: Sorry, it was “Can confirm, I am also thinking about the waitress with big tits while laying in bed.”
https://lemmy.world/post/50398336/25177012
https://lemmy.world/post/50398336/25171603
You are. Jeremy is objectifying this woman and so are you. It's not about what is more attractive to men.
Oh no! Shes beautiful naturally and yassed up!? The fucking horror! My steak, my steak is far too juicy. Oh this lobster! Waiter! Far too much butter!
Lobster is trash food. Full stop.
That's one of the craziest takes I have ever heard ngl. You should take that to c/unpopularopinion@lemmy.world
Back in the day (17th, 18th century) there were so abundant they just washed up on shore and were used as cheap food for the poor, servants and prisoners. Things changed when lobsters were transported inland with trains.
they used to feed it to prisoners
You can make slop out of Kobe beef and truffles, doesn't mean it's trash.
No u
On top of being brain rotten, he is jealous that no amount of make up could make him less repellant to women. Instead of getting help, he is lashing out, because it is easier and he gets attention from other hateful losers.
You telling me I can date a shapeshifter that is beautiful in all versions? Don't threaten me with a good time!
I'd be disappointed if I was expecting the woman on the right and the one on the left showed up, but not enough to call it sexual assault, that's wild
If you look at the left one and can't tell, that's on you ...
Also, I hate current makeup trends. Uncanny valley type of shit
As someone who doesn't keep up on make up trends, I'm not sure what you mean.
Can you point to any examples?
TBH I'm not super knowledgable about makeup, but the look on the left side, or something more or less like it, is pretty common in like celebrity spaces, porn etc., and it definitely wasn't quite like this 20 years ago. Maralago face is one variant, but the general style seems broader than that to me.
Did not know Maralago face was a thing, but I know exactly what you mean.
My (ultra-MAGA) father won't shut up about how "drop dead gorgeous" Melania Trump is....but when i look at her, she looks like she's made of plastic.
Not to necessarily knock the look; it must work for some people, and if that's how you prefer to look, don't let me shit on your day. That said, it's not for me and I'm glad my partner prefers a more au natural look.
The left picture is a pretty good example. I don't know any of the terminology but it seems to revolve around trying to make it look like they have maralago face. Just ends up looking unnatural to me.
I'm so glad these losers use "female". I don't have to waste time taking them seriously.
How is it not specific enough and what is this current environment?
Every time I hear someone refer to a woman as a female that person is invariably some kind of incel loser.
I know everyone's sick of me saying it but that dude is probably a low-key transphobe.
I highkenuinely support your endeavors to point righteous fingers
Most incels are. They hate women and trans women are women.
Bingo. Transphobia allows them to exert misogyny on an "acceptable" target while also policing femininity in a broader sense.
Could be. Answering the clarifying questions I asked might clear that up.
"woman" is the term you are looking for. Doesn't have to be any more specific than that unless you're a fucking doctor
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They're not of the correctly gendering crowd, ergo their use of "female" is inherently derogatory. That's the point. It's not the word, per se, but the sub-cultural use of it.
The fuck are you talking about?
Idk why this dude has such a strong opinion like he's ever going to make sexual contact with a woman.
Fucking dumbasses. And she's beautiful in both pics. But holy hell you have to be stupid to not know that the first one is wearing makeup. What next, someone shocked my lips aren't naturally dark red or black?
I'm convinced these people don't actually like women. Sounds weird typing that out, but you'd have to be an absolute fool to not understand the context around make up in society and what attractive looks like.
Ragebait gobshites. What they say is irrelevant so long as they get attention (like and subscribe, everyone). It's all for money.
Friendly reminder that on X, the everything app with Super Grok, posts can be monetized. So it's all fabricated shit mixed with stupidity to maximize engagement.
The left hand image looks fake. Mainly because the ceiling has major water stains like she's in an abandoned building! But yeah, it's all about the money.
I don't think I've ever seen commentary like this offered up by a guy who actually stood even the slightest chance of actually having sex with whatever woman he's complaining about.
Jeremy looks like the sort of guy who thinks the waitress is coming on to him because she smiled and called him "hon."
If you can't tell when a woman is wearing makeup you probably don't spend much time around them.
women pretty 🥺
No judgement, but she looks happier on the right.
Also my condolences to Jeremy's hand.
The left is definitely posing though
It really reaches a new level of bullshit in this post when you find out that men wore make-up but it just went out of fashion.
I'd like to try out some make up styles that could enhance my masculine facial features, just to see what it looks like. Is that a thing?
become a femboy
Totally. Check out contouring. And, if there's a beauty school near you, they might have cheap make up appointments where you can watch what they use and how they do it while you get glammed up. They're students so they take their time, makes it easy to follow.
They still wear tons of makeup, especially right wing ones like this guy
He has the tone of a guy trying to pull a political Uno-reverse gotcha... but I can't actually tell what the fuck he's trying to draw an allusion to?
Like, is this supposed to be an equivalent of "woman decides she doesn't want sex, persuing it anyway is sexual assault"? Is that supposed to be similar in any way? Is it supposed to be... something about Trans people? Somehow? I'm just not sure what he's even going for...
There was a thing a while ago about how men who lied about who they were to get laid, namely pick-up artists, were committing sexual assault. The manosphere responded with stuff like this, suggesting that women who wore make-up, spanx and padded bras were also committing assault.
Oh! Okay that seems like a much tighter connection.
And, like, I don't agree with the manosphere 99% of the time... but in this case sleeping with a person who said they were a CEO or whatever but actually they drive Uber doesn't sound like sexual assault to me, so maybe this broken clock was right today. It feels like maybe one thing a bad person said in a TikTok once and just blew up as rage bait.
I mean, don't lie about condoms or vasectomies or sexual health obviously, but other things don't seem sexually relevant to me.
TIL thanks.
Is it supposed to be... something about Trans people?
"Trans women refusing to disclose is sexual assault" is something these idiots obsess about and say so yeah probably.
flags in bio
i'm trying to read what the tweet says but all i can see is "i have the driest, loneliest dick on the planet and i want to make it everyone else's problem." anyone else having this issue?
Next they’ll say that women wearing pads of any kind (bra, shoulder, whatever else), heels, and does anything to style their hair is sexual assault. Maybe wearing jewelry or dressing up in nice clothes counts too? Or deodorant, perfume, body lotions?
Ooooh. This is the “barefoot and pregnant” trope from back in the day, just made to look nicer (kinda like a “makeup” of sorts to appear different).
These kinds of ~~posts~~ tweets (yes, there's a LOT) piss me off because the woman always looks better without makeup
Edit: pre-amptively going to correct to "without" makeup, because i'm told you can never tell for sure
I think the main point they usually miss is that women don't wear make-up to attract them, or anyone. Make-up is fun.
the woman always looks better without makeup
To you
And why should women care what you think when they're putting on makeup?
Jeremy Stamper has never been seduced.
I think I'm missing something here. What is he actually implying? I'm assuming it some dog whistle to a community I'm not a part of, so someone please enlighten?
Nah - I don't think it's any sort of dog whistle. It's more in the nature of sour grapes. It's an incel thing - they fantasize about proactively refusing to have sex with women who would never be willing to have sex with them in the first place
Dude definitely has the "never woke up next to a woman the morning after" kind of energy...
Probably transphobia since this is how men talk about trans women "tricking" them and not "disclosing". They're constantly worrying about beautiful women tricking them with their attractiveness 🙄
Yes, but also some of them are just mad that women sometimes wear makeup that heavily impacts appearance and isn't obvious to those who are both blind and oblivious.
Guarantee there's A LOT of overlap there.
True, I wouldn't know for sure as that type will harass me no matter what I do lol
In addition to the other answers this is probably the kind of guy who either commits sexual assault or fantasizes about committing sexual assault. Typical incel.
This is typical behaviour from incels.
Not gonna lie...I'd take either one. Different type different vibe.
I can't imagine that this is controversial. The OP doesn't make any sense to me.
Agreed...both are beautiful in how she wants to present herself.
Why does she look older with the makeup? Shouldn't it work the other way around? She looks 30 something on the left and a teenager on the right.
Young women and girls use make-up to make themselves look older all the time.
A lot of modern makeup styles are more about creating a dramatic visage than a youthful one. Youthful (teen) faces look more rounded than faces well into adulthood.
1920's makeup was the opposite. Every body was trying to be round.
Makes sense. I know modern styles partly descend from drag, particularly the use of contouring. And yeah more angular looks can make one appear thinner, which seems to be part of the goal.
Tbh I really like that the trend of makeup has been moving from "look young" towards "look striking", and only partly because I personally prefer to wear a bold eye and dark lip combo
Alright Jeremy
This has to be satire, right? Right??
Huh?
It's interesting when men use posts like this to announce what they personally find attractive in the comments. That's not the point.
Really? I thought it was funny that on a comment about a guy objectifying a woman that a bunch of guys are somehow objectifying her further in an attempt to virtue signal how cool they are with a natural look.
"It's ok, ladies! Even if this incel doesn't find you hot, I still find you hot!"
This you in the same thread?
“Nobody cares what makes your dick hard.” https://lemmy.world/post/50398336/25177012
"Can confirm, I am also thinking about the waitress with big tits while laying in bed.” https://lemmy.world/post/50398336/25171603
Seems like your problem isn't objectifying women, it's men. Which is fine, but don't act like you're taking some morally superior position, you're just a basic misandrist.
I think you need to stop before you continue embarrassing yourself.
Yes. I stand by both comments. That you don’t understand that one is in response to derogatory comments about women’s bodies and the other is making a joke that doesnt punch down on women is telling.
It's not objectifying women when you reduce them to "big tits", but when a guy says "She's attractive without makeup" that's "punching down"!
Editing your comment after I’ve replied is shady.
When a guy says that, it’s presumptuous and annoying. Women aren’t concerned with his thoughts on what looks best on women. No one gives a fuck what he prefers women to look like.
The comment punching down is the one comparing women’s large breasts to cows milk glands.
When a guy says that, it’s presumptuous and annoying. Women aren’t concerned with his thoughts on what looks best on women. No one gives a fuck what he prefers women to look like.
This gendered language is what I'm talking about. The gender of the objectifier isn't what determines whether or not objectification happened. The implication of your sentence as structured is that it's a problem because a man did it. It's a problem either way and we shouldn't excuse objectification of women just because internalized misogyny made it so the patriarchal gaze came from a woman.
Look you're obviously EXCELLENT with rhetoric and well versed in feminism. Good on you. We need more of that around here. I'm just suggesting you explore your thoughts a little deeper because your inner misandry dilutes your arguments and weakens the effectiveness of your fight.
Or ignore me, I'm just calling out what I see like you are.
It's annoying and presumptuous. That woman isn't thinking about what y'all think of her makeup every morning.
That's different than a comment about what I'm thinking about in response to a meme.
Again, it's telling that you can't tell the difference.
