YSK Police can access your ring cams too
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VetOfTheSeas
deflock.meIf it records to the cloud, it's not your footage. It can and will be acquired/distributed against your will.
For the most part this it’s true, although it’s possible to do it securely. Security cam footage stored in iCloud is end to end encrypted. Apple can’t access it.
Nope! The only question that needs to be asked is: who manages the encryption keys?
If the answer isn't you, it isn't E2E encrypted.
I wouldn't bet on that.
E2E doesn't matter if you don't control the other end.
Yes. 100%. End to end encrypted means the decryption key is at the other end. Where Apple is.
If it were ACTUALLY secure you would have BOTH the encryption AND decryption keys and Apple would only have a useless, unreadable, encrypted binary blob.
They literally give you the keys. See Advanced Data Protection
So, it does say that not even Apple can read your data, but it also says it's protected by "end to end encryption", which if Apple can't read your data, is absolutely nonsense usage of the term.
"End to end encryption" means encrypting the data at one end, and decrypting it at the other end. That's literally the NAME. If they're not doing that, the term is completely nonsense to use. They might as well say they have fat-free encryption. What they're really doing is storing an encrypted file that you hold both keys for. And IF that's what they're doing, that's actually fantastic - far better than end-to-end encryption because only you can decrypt it. But they're not inspiring confidence by COMPLETELY misusing a term that has nothing to do with what they're doing.
The other point is, if those keys... if you have to manually copy those keys over between all of your devices? Great. You're actually protected. If, however, you just connect to your Apple account and now you can get your files out of iCloud? That means that Apple DOES have your decryption keys SOMEWHERE, because otherwise they couldn't send them to your other devices, which means, sorry, whatever they're promising, they DO have the ability to look at your files if they're motivated enough.
The fact that there are multiple seprate recovery options to regain access to your account and with it access to those encrypted backups is all the clue you need to know those keys are not stored only on your device.
Apple has access to those keys - whether they want to directly admit it or not.
Ding ding ding!!!!
The test of E2E encryption is "who manages the keys?" If the answer isn't me, it isn't E2E encrypted.
I think they're trying to say that while apple encrypts in transit (upload + download is sftp or some other secure transfer method that can't be eavesdropped on), they don't encrypt at rest, meaning the data is written in decrypted format to disk. Which is a data security no-no for mine and most enterprises out there. If someone got into an apple server (allegedly, idk for sure here), they'd be able to read your data and anyone elses.
Now that might not be true but I don't see apple saying otherwise anywhere obvious.
They love ring cameras because crime so bad
anyone got a source? I know they aren't a good idea but can police really access them?
They only mention recordings in response to warrants, but yes.
https://ring.com/support/articles/oi8t6/Learn-About-Ring-Law-Enforcement-Guidelines
Discovery gainst the company and I'm sure they have to produce your cloud saves.
