sanitation
ProgrammingImagine being such a bad website, you're basically the only thing AI actually took down.
Always hated SO. They acted like they fostered the developer culture of sharing that had happened for decades. But instead they helped bring in the bro culture that ruined development. Now we have interviews that are hazing sessions. Code reviews that turn into fights. It goes on. And SO culture was part of that.
Fuck them.
Can you elaborate on "bro culture"? I never felt like my interviews or code reviews were very fratty
Stack Overflow: You're absolutely wrong
ChatGPT: You're absolutely right
Yeah... I have 100k rep (almost exactly!) and I don't use it any more. It doesn't have the network effects, so even if there is a question that AI can't answer (which does still happen despite what some people seem to think), I don't go to Stackoverflow, I go somewhere else. A forum, GitHub repo discussions, even IRC once (OpenOCD still uses that for some weird reason - they were extremely helpful though).
It had a good run. RIP.
Those guys sold SO just in the right time in 2021.
I would ask a question, but last time they even said it sounded like homework. Fuck'em. But I still like it as a knowledge base.
Why would you ask a question to see it closed immediately and be insulted on top of it? No thanks
Asking a question was agreeing to be abused. You have to followed the rules exactly to maybe get a useful answer.
This was already answered in a reddit thread from 2019. This comment is redundant and should be removed.
On top of it, op lacks basic thinking skills and stinks of mackerel.
They need to go, before we taunt them a second time.
Are you one of the knights who say "Ni!" or a mod on stack overflow? Or ... FRENCH?
Exactly my experience.
On Lemmy or Stack Overflow?
I'd love to answer questions on here. I don't see many.
Here is an example community that refuses to migrate here: https://www.reddit.com/r/fossdroid/comments/1uiywal/should_we_switch_to_lemmy/.
The top-upvoted comments are... eye-opening, to say the least. In this arena of man vs. bear, they have chosen the bear (Reddit), rather than subject themselves to our overall lack of moderation to make a place that mainstream normies - even ones technical enough to be interested in F-droid - can stand to exist in.
That said, actually I thought that programming.dev was fairly chill though, so I am not certain that I understand the reasons why, if we are specifically talking about the instance you are on? Many communities on hexbear, and some of the more extremist content on Lemmy.ml, are even hidden by default for a new account.
Perhaps it is the overall lack of transparency about such matters? Someone browsing by https://lemmy.world/?dataType=Post&listingType=All&sort=Active would still see "funny meme" content such as https://lemmy.world/post/50297816, even without an account, which can be quite off-putting.
And there are so many people who have come here, remained for literally years, and then decided to leave. We stayed, so it's a bias effect for sure, but their stories are quite a turn-off to new users.
Many instances have put in a great deal of effort to make the Threadiverse more palatable to new users. But... when you read the responses to posts like this one, it does reveal how large swathes of this place go mostly unmoderated, or at least what is left is annoying and tiring to have to wade through.
Example comment: "What a fucking chud loser you are", which aside from representing a personal attack on the user rather than their argument (a direct violation of that community's rule #2), also detracts from rather than adds to the subject under discussion.
The people in that subreddit are already having discussions in that space - Reddit is getting more annoying all the time, but they can persist. Is there is any particular reason then that they should come here and subject themselves to our toddler fights over whether Russia invaded Ukraine vs. the other way around? (which isn't even something up for debate, realistically speaking?)
Anyway in case you are interested, there is a !ask_experienced_devs@programming.dev community that you could join, although there has been only one post within the last four months, so while not quite dead it is definitely struggling rather than thriving. There is also https://programming.dev/c/cs_career_questions and https://programming.dev/c/no_stupid_questions, although they are also struggling.
Maybe we can do things to reduce our toxicity level, but I fear that the word is out about Lemmy being mainly a tankie bar, and I don't know how to convince anyone (especially myself) that it is not the case - especially bc that is well and truly what we are, and yet I also think that it needn't be all that we could ever be?
BANNED (redundant question).
Don't forget the insult. I've been banned from so many AI communities, none of which I'd ever heard of before, most of which had zero posts even, and all of which called me an anti-AI troll.
On PieFed actually, anarchist.nexus.
When you're a mod or admin, they let you do it dontcha know, grab 'em right by the gonads! Say whatever you like to go into the permanent modlog, you won't be stopped!
On the fediverse, you pick the good moderators by moving away from the shitty communities/instances.
I mean yeah... though they can still troll you by calling out slurs from the safety of the instances that they control. We have to have a thick skin here. How this relates to the OP though is that not everyone is willing to subject themselves to such, hence leave. That is one way to "move away from the shitty communities/instances", by simply leaving entirely.:-P.
On Stack Overflow.
I mean the only reason you are not there begging on stack overflow is AI
I think begging overstates it. I think I asked one question on there and no one answered it, so I did the work and figured it out and posted the answer. And then I got random questions for years like I was some expert on something I used once. Then they somehow rewrote it by someone else and deleted my account. Hopefully Poi fixed the thing I was asking about and it's irrelevant by now because that was ten years ago.
Shrug
It was handy at the time as a sort of shared snippet collection with explanations and arguments about why it was or wasn't good. But for all the jokes about stack overflow copy paste coders, it wasn't coder Mecca or something. I lost use for SO long before AI replaced it.
It was good in the beginning. During the content fillup. Hell I answered hundreds of questions.
Stack Overflow’s moderation was cooked long before LLMs came to harvest the corpse.
I've been on the site since 2008 i think. Used to use it loads. Posted questions and answers. The question i actually got an answer to was 2018. Since then it would just get nothing. Sometimes a mod might tweak it a bit in a pointless way but just no answers. Gave up in the end.
They also had their own protest at the same time as the Rexodus.
Not surprising. Not only is it easier to ask stuff from AI chat bots, the responses on SO can often be so condescending and outright mean that it further drives people to ask questions from the yesmanning LLMs.
LLMs are trained to be sycophants, quick to praise and agree, in order to keep the user satisfied. This allows poor practices and behaviors to persist, at least until the user joins a team and becomes aware of their issues. Stackoverflow actually calls people out and teaches how to do research, and write informed questions. I got called out for some of my first few questions, and almost never after that, because I learned to do proper research and write proper questions.
The difference of a private chat with an Ai to a public question on Stack Overflow (or any forum for that matter) is, that on Stack Overflow multiple persons can read and comment. Answers often iterate and fact check if someone hallucinates, because so many eyes sees it. If the answers are helpful is something everyone has to decide themselves, but the principle of an open platform being very useful is undeniable.
Compare this to your private Ai chatbot. Only one person sees the answer and if something hallucinated is in there or the quality of the answer is not good, then you might not know. And those Ai bots are controlled by the few big corporations, maybe a little less if you use a custom offline bot, but they are probably not as good as the big models. That's why this is a bad trend. I think the open and user controlled Stack Overflow was a better approach, by principle.
Wasn't there an XKCD about this?
I had to google what XKCD is so I have absolutely no idea whatsoever lmao
You are one of today's lucky 10,000!
I'm so envious of you right now
