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Please be patient with me, I have an extremely hard time with self expression
I am not good at like, observing a thing and putting my interpretation onto paper. I try a lot, but it never meets my (probably impossible) standards. This really started to frustrate me recently, so instead I started just drawing interesting shapes and filling them with patterns. The image attached to this post is an example of one.
But now I have these little sketches that look cool to me but feel unfinished. I don't know how to develop them any further. If I try, I feel like I ruin them.
And then it dawned on me: I don't have a fucking clue what I'm doing. I've been trying out art as a fun hobby for the past 2 years. I read a couple of textbooks and took notes, I've filled a few sketchbooks, painted a little, and had a great time. But I can tell I'm still shit and I want to be good. How do I do that? I guess I have a few main questions:
-What should I spend my extremely limited practice time on?
-How can I incorporate the things I like about others' art into my own? Do I just straight up try to copy them?
-Some people I've asked irl have said it's just a matter of time. I haven't been creating long enough to be good yet. Is there any truth to this? Am I just impatient?
Here's some more of those weird sketches if you're interested. I can also post some more uh... grounded? art for comparison?
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If you have interest in drawing things with a sense of mass and construction, which it seems like you do, download Fun With a Pencil by Andrew Loomis. It’s free. There’s like three racism caricatures because it’s from the 30s, so trigger warning in that, but other than that it’s very useful for training your brain to perceive mass and think in 3D. Don’t front through the book. Do an exercise then do something fun that’s sort inspired by that exercise, then when you feel ready do the next exercise.
How can I incorporate the things I like about others' art into my own? Do I just straight up try to copy them
Yes it’s called a study. You copy it as closely as you can and then later your hand remembers certain things from it. The more you copy the more your hand remembers. This applies to all things drawn from observation. Draw enough horse skulls and, when given a blank piece of paper and no inspiration, your hand will naturally want to draw a horse skull.
Also try to draw with your elbow and shoulder, not just your wrist.
Nothing wrong with making funky sketches that are just kind of abstract expressions, you say you're not good at self expression, but these feel like really good examples of self expression. You don't need to be "good" at art to still enjoy doing it. In fact, I'd recommend against just trying to get good for the sake of it, you'll enjoy art a lot more as self expression, as just a fun hobby rather than trying to turn it into a career or something more serious. If you just draw for fun you will get better, though slowly.
I think you need to ask yourself what "better" actually means for you and what you're trying to accomplish by getting "better". All of these pieces look fine to me, not saying you shouldn't want to improve, but "better" is always relative. As someone who has done art professionally for years, it's never good enough, you'll always feel like your art is not quite right and there will always be something "better" out there. There'll always be mistakes and things that don't look good to you. The trick is to just make peace with that uncomfortable feeling and not let it hold you back.
All that said, if you do just want to improve on a technical level, getting good is unfortunately just practice. Specifically, practicing drawing from real life. There's a reason that first year art students learn to draw a lot of still life pictures and draw live models. You need to know the "rules" of what things look like in order to "break" those rules better. You can draw an abstract or cartoony human face much more easily if you know how a realistic face is put together. You need to learn how to break things down into parts so you can "reassemble" them in the way you want. Practice drawing things in your environment, or use a photo of a person as a reference. If you really want, most towns and cities do have art modelling sessions that you can go to and just sketch a random person (they usually cost money though).
This just takes time, the more you practice the better you get. And it isn't fun, it's specifically drawing things you don't really want to so you can get better at drawing the things you do want to. And it won't feel relevant while you're doing it either, it'll feel kind of like a waste of time sometimes, and it will look awful, especially at first, but that's ok, it's practice, it isn't about making it look good, it's about learning and getting better at the skill, understanding how things fit together and how you can put them together in the way you want.
To answer your specific questions at the end:
What should I spend my extremely limited practice time on?
Whatever you want! Draw for fun if you want, practice drawing things around you if you want instead, don't try to "min/max" your drawing time, it'll just suck the fun out of the hobby and you'll just resent drawing. Practice if you feel like it, draw for fun if you feel like it.
How can I incorporate the things I like about others' art into my own? Do I just straight up try to copy them?
Yes! Copy the shit out of them, contrary to what some artists will say, having eyes and using them to look at art isn't "stealing" it. All art is inspired by previous art, no one makes things up out of whole cloth. Just wear your references on your sleeve, don't copy or trace someone else's work and pretend you came up with it yourself, just be honest. Tracing someone else's work is a great way to learn how they did it.
Usually when I'm trying to learn someone else's style, I'll start by tracing a picture I like, learning how and why they drew things in that way, and learning how I can adjust the way I do things to make it look more like theirs, as well as learning which parts of their art that don't really work, the little mistakes and errors (and every artist makes them!). Then, I'll use a picture as a reference to make sure I understand how their style works, sometimes it takes a while, but I can eventually get a passable imitation of their style and can then incorporate it into my own work.
Some people I've asked irl have said it's just a matter of time. I haven't been creating long enough to be good yet. Is there any truth to this? Am I just impatient?
Two years and you're not a master of the craft yet! You're fine. I've been drawing art for over a decade, half of that professionally, and my stuff still looks like garbage. It's more about mindset than it is about "getting good." There's a really cool feeling you get from learning art where you'll be able to just...draw things you couldn't before, you'll know how to do something you previously had no idea how to do. It's the most satisfying part about learning a hobby in my opinion. And in turn, you will have times (sometimes years) where it feels like you're not improving at all, that's normal and nothing to be worried about (even if it does suck while you're going through those times).
Just keep drawing and you'll get better, the more time you spend actively trying to practice the faster you will improve, but the less fun you'll be having. Just go at your own pace and do what feels comfortable, which is another thing that unfortunately takes practice to learn how to do, you've just got to figure out what works for you.
I would not recommend becoming a professional artist as a job though, it really does suck the enthusiasm out of the hobby and the pay is terrible. I'm an artist because I couldn't really survive doing anything else, not because it's a "dream job" or anything. Like any job under capital, it is just draining and soul crushing. As a hobby it can be really rewarding though.
I like how the first one sort of looks like fingers but there's no hands. I don't know anything about art but I think they're pretty okay 👍
If you aren't doing this for money then the most important thing is to have fun!
all art is lying and saying you meant to do that, otherwise nobody would ever be finished making anything.
I like that screaming skull thing
Your works aren't bad. You'll quickly learn that asking for input like this on the internet isn't a great idea, as a lot of people can't really discern between alright, good, great, masterful, etc. There's either good or bad. I've seen this work to some artists' advantage, where they're pretty successful on social media, despite not really being that great. It turns out that the average person isn't that discerning. It's helpful to get your work from being bad to good, but since your work is already passable, it gets harder. Also, keep in mind that a lot of people's idea of good art is based on whether or not they think they could have created that same thing. You must be careful not to listen to such people.
Anyways, you're not crazy to think that your work could be coming up to a higher level. The good news is that the fact you can even detect that possibility usually means you have the capability of getting there. You can look at some of Jean Giraud (Moebius) abstract works for reference of how this sort of thing is done in a cleaner more orderly style. And of course Basquiat would be a good reference if you want to lean into the dirtier chaotic style. But regardless of direction, we can make some observations:
Your lines could be more confident, you are "petting" them too much still in some places. Notice the confident, steady lines that only waver or change convexity/concavity intentionally here: https://pin.it/58POenjTv . Even Basquiat, which you might expect to do otherwise, take a look: https://pin.it/4OWMkZcm6 Really every line in there is confident and decisive. Even the scribbles are tightly confined to their intentional regions.
You would benefit immensely from a better ability to draw in perspective, with dimension, etc. The lines and spiderwebs on the second to last piece, for example, only roughly match the implied 3D form, so it ends up looking sketchy. Basquiat is more pictographic, iconic, and thus can tolerate a more 2D and perspectiveless approach. This is made workable by avoiding patterns that we would expect to conform to perspective (like your grids, stripes, webs, etc) and mostly sticking with block color and symbols (think the famous crown, stars, etc.), and if there are patterns, we see them from straight-ahead views. https://pin.it/17eJNORyh Moebius has deep mastery of perspective from drawing traditional comic strips, and therefore his style can lean into that with highlights and stripes in physically correct places. https://pin.it/5mdD43Z5e You could go in either direction or some mixture of both, just make sure you understand what makes each work.
It may be worth trying a workflow where you do the initial sketch in a very light pencil to explore and find your forms, and then confidently ink in the final lines, scribbles, crosshatching, etc. This would probably help give you better composition too, while also helping with the previous improvements.
In general, you ought to look around for artists whose work you really like - They don't even need to look like your work, but maybe it just has something particular about it that you like, like the line control or the shading or even just the conceptual content of what is being depicted. Then you want to play a compare and contrast game between your art and theirs and see what parts can you borrow or learn from that aren't being used in your work. Then you try that out in a piece and if you find that it doesn't fit or you don't like it then you can always try something else. But you will learn from it either way!
Thank you for the analysis and suggestions!
I think a lot more exposure to art would help me out, so I will definitely be looking into the artists youve suggested!
I am basically completely new to all things art so I don't know many artists, but I need to change that
adding onto that person's 3rd thing
It may be worth trying a workflow where you do the initial sketch in a very light pencil to explore and find your forms, and then confidently ink in the final lines, scribbles, crosshatching, etc. This would probably help give you better composition too, while also helping with the previous improvements.
i heard about some shit called non-photo blue and at least for anything you're digitally processing you can do the initial sketching in a color so you can key it out in the scan.
::: spoiler Let me show you some of my artworks: :::
There's lack of depth to them. It's possible to tell I lack confidence by the way the brushwork is done. There's a very noticeable lack of depth and especially the Monotone one is really suffering for how flat it looks, it could have bene improved by adjusting the direction of the "hatching". It's possible to tell that I am either lazy or rushing in a lot of places too. Like how poorly the grass is drawn in one of them.
It's important to keep in mind what kind of community you're sharing your art with, when you look for feedback. It's very easy to get torn into shreds by fellow artists, if you do not, then you're probably not interacting with artists. Pretty much everyone can tear each other into shreds no matter how beautiful your art piece is. It's also very easy to get showered with compliments, if you stick to fandom communities.
Why do you want to do art? Getting good enough isn't an issue, you can do that with practice, the problem is - what's your goal? If you spend your time building fundamentals following the steps you've been suggested, but your goal is to be "popular" it'll help you, but even someone as terrible as myself could be popular with a focus on marketability and communication skills. Similarly I could feel "at home" surrounded by masters, who enjoy telling me how dog poopoo my art is, and then seeing me apply their lessons in my work.
I don't think there's any correct path, artists who claim that (imho) have an insecurity problem. I also personally wouldn't take advice from someone like me, there's a ton I still need to work on myself and I wish you good luck on your own journey.
Thank you for sharing with me! I really like the monotone one! I can see what you mean about depth but I think the line work juxtaposed with the big expanses of black and white in the umbrella and background make the character really "pop" for lack of a better word.
I think I'm doing art because I find it difficult to express myself in any other way. It's the only thing that has felt right, or at least not wrong. I am pretty uncomfortable with most other forms of expression due to some personal issues.
I wonder if I could find a local community of artists or maybe take some classes. The internet/social media always seems so high stakes for some reason (except for here)
-What should I spend my extremely limited practice time on?
Early on, anything, just be consistent. Get a feel for your materials and experiment with different line weight, grips, techniques.
-How can I incorporate the things I like about others' art into my own? Do I just straight up try to copy them?
Yes. For hundreds of years directly copying famous works was a pillar of artists' practice.
-Some people I've asked irl have said it's just a matter of time. I haven't been creating long enough to be good yet. Is there any truth to this? Am I just impatient?
It does take time and there aren't really shortcuts, (although there are better and worse ways to practice) but you will get better and you will notice
I also highly recommend drawing from life for basically anyone. It's extremely valuable because it teaches you how to see what things actually look like and then how elements create an image. You might not use rendering a realistic apple in abstract art, but you will use the principles necessary to do so.
This is a beginner practice guide for fundamentals I wrote up a year ago. It's focused on figurative and life drawing but again, these are foundational skills that will help with everything else. Doing any part of it will be useful.
There are three fundamental exercises I recommend: Still life, contour drawing, and gesture drawing.
Still Life
For still life, I mean more specifically value studies of simple objects. Spheres and cubes and the like in real life in front of you. Practice rendering light and dark areas and the transitions between them. Pay special attention to the boundaries and how defined or not they are. This exercise is mostly about understanding how light and shadow fall on a three-dimensional object.
A good exercise might be to spend 5-10 minutes on shading a simple object with a nearby light source that casts a shadow and produces a highlight spot on the object.
The principle of seeing which areas are light and dark and reproducing this on the page is a fundamental element of drawing and will be built on throughout your practice.
Contour drawing
Contour drawing is a specialized exercise intended to develop the connection between the eye and the hand. Whereas our still life exercise is about regions of light and dark, contour drawing is all about tracing the edges of forms. For this exercise, look at an object with complicated contours and reproduced them on the page without looking at the page and as much as possible without lifting the pencil. Go slow. A very good and common reference object is your non-drawing hand. Don't worry if it's difficult or your results look unlike what you were referencing, just do your best to not look at the page while you do the exercise.
Spending 2-5 minutes contouring your hand, maybe two or three times would be a good exercise. Try to notice the physical sensation of making marks on the page as you trace the hand with your eye.
Gesture Drawing
Gesture drawing for our purposes will consist of quick sketches of a figure in a pose. Drawing from life is typically preferable for practice, but for this exercise it is perfectly useful to use photos. Something like sketchdaily can provide a nice library of images. Here we are attempting to capture the most essential elements of a figure and its pose. We will combine the skills developed in contour drawing and still life to reproduce the visual edges of forms and place light and shadow on those forms. This exercise will also help develop more confident strokes and general dexterity with the pencil. It is not important to be perfectly accurate; I would recommend refraining from erasing. Making loose and gestural marks, try to reproduce your reference by working from its larger shapes and areas of contrast (dark against light, for instance).
I would recommend spending ~30 seconds (use a timer!) on an image and do five of them as a beginning exercise. Then do one for teo minutes. As you continue to practice, you might do fewer images and spend longer on them, though not more than five for this particular exercise. The key to this exercise is teaching yourself to quickly understand an image and determine what its constituent parts are in terms of marks on the page.
Although gesture drawing builds on and combined the skills developed in the other two exercises it is not necessary to achieve a particular level of mastery in them to start.
Conclusions
Between value studies in still life, contour drawing, and gesture drawing, we have a great set of exercises for practicing the fundamentals of drawing. There are of course many more things to learn and exercises to supplement your practice, but these are some of the most important to my mind. They're also fun and don't require a lot of time!
It's intentional that all of the exercises I've described are brief. Even fifteen minutes from sitting down to standing up is enough for a productive practice session. If you can try to work in fifteen minutes to half-an-hour of practice several times a week (or most days) you'll likely find yourself improving rapidly and ready to do more involved studies and attempt compositions to challenge yourself very soon.
Most importantly, enjoy yourself and give yourself full permission to draw as you like when you like. There isn't a specific order you need to do things and it's great to attempt a composition that is a little bit beyond you - getting ahead of yourself is a great way to reveal what skills you need to improve and practice them.
Recommendations etc.
I would recommend some of the drawclasses on Drawfee Extra for videos - Marc Brunet has a video with a structured practice schedule focused on gesture drawing. In general search particular questions you have and techniques or exercises you want to practice.
Practicing drawing is kind of like strength training or playing an instrument in that it's very much about consistency and building specific mind-muscle connections. The best way to practice is the way that keeps you doing it. Also similarly, make sure to warm up! Sometimes I'll have days where I feel like I can't draw and all my lines suck until I force myself to just draw a couple of little guys for 15 minutes. The exercises given here are great as warmups throughout your practice drawing.
Have fun!
Thank you so much for this. I thought when I posted this I'd just get ignored but this is exactly what I was looking for. I'm pumped to get drawing again when before I was just thinking I'd take a break. You're the best!
Thank you!!
I also highly recommend drawing from life for basically anyone...
Yeah that's been a consistent recommendation from everything I've read. I just feel bad when I go to draw someone or something and I make a bad image because I'm not good enough yet, and it's like this weird loop that prevents me from doing it. I probably just have to power through it until I start seeing improvement
100%. in the guide I posted I talk a bit about gesture drawing, which is doing brief sketches of figures for skill acquisition. A lot of what you draw will not look correct or be pleasing to you, especially early on. This is normal and expected. It's important to give yourself room to draw things that are imperfect. That's the only way to get better. And you will!
fwiw I like your drawings and don't think they are necessarily "unfinished," though I wonder if the less abstract figures might benefit from shading to give them more depth.
I think it could be the "problem" that because you have an ambling approach but still want things to feel "finished" that you don't have any clear definition to yourself of what them being "finished" would look like, and that's not a matter of an external criterion, it's a matter of your own sensibilities, and of saying to yourself "I want it to have these kinds of features and that's it." What the specific list of features is is up to you.
Adding more details absolutely will fuck up some of your drawings, but you probably know from experience that that's part of the process of learning to add details without fucking up drawings in the future. Not everything will be a nice presentable product, some of it will look like dogshit because messing up is integral to learning how to not mess up.
Edit: disclaimer, I'm not an artist, I'm just some philistine giving opinions
Thank you for this, no need for the disclaimer, I think youve really described the issue I am having better than I could have and it helps a lot. This is so accurate it hurts:
I think it could be the "problem" that because you have an ambling approach but still want things to feel "finished" that you don't have any clear definition to yourself of what them being "finished" would look like,
Personally I think the stuff you're making is sick and I think you’re already doing great work, and I think you're going about it in a cool way too! I really like the mindset you're bringing to your creative endeavors, except for the "but it never meets my (probably impossible) standards" part which I totally get, I suffer from that a lot too, especially if I try my hand at something more traditional with lots of direct comparisons easily possible. Plus theres that thing where people who like art and have a good eye for it and can appreciate quality stuff, usually develop that discerning eye early in life, and so by the time you are trying your hands at stuff, especially if that happens later in adulthood, you have very advanced critical eye, and very UNadvanced skills because its still new and developing. It feels fucking gross tbh I get it, but I just keep reminding myself that that is NOT how this works, its not a pass fail situation
I think your stuff is weird and interesting and your own style straight from your own brain, if you don’t know what you’re doing thats fine, you’re exploring and experimenting! (and I repeat, I think theres something really compelling in what you've been making recently, I really like the stuff you posted!)
If you feel drawn to these shapes and patterns youve been making but feel they’re unfinished, maybe its because this isn’t the right medium? you could try adding color using a bunch of different stuff, colored pencils, water color, inks, charcoal, even crayons, maybe one of them will add a dimension or texture you didn’t know you were thirsting for, or that compels you in some way
maybe it could be good to branch into other mediums entirely! I’m not sure if you’re dedicated completely to 2d art, digital or pen on paper, but personally I get so much joy from making physical things, currently I’d call very little of what I’ve made in the past few years art, but thats not true either and its all helping me build lots of modes of creativity that I’m gradually adding to my ability to use, so I can start to see the possibility of wild art projects I would never have thought of previously.
for example, I’ve been playing with making my own alloys from melted wires and aluminum cans, and blacksmithing, so I could take the pretty aluminum bronze alloy I found I like thats beautifully textured and gold colored and form that into a crown, and with the crap ass harbor freight gem cutting table I got, I can make gems and set them in the crown, if I ever do follow through on that project it will be one hell of an object! Idk what the fuck I'd ever do with it except just, have it, theres just something about the idea that calls to me
Anyway, long story short, I don’t just think that crown would be art, if I made it, but the whole process is my art. I try things and experiment and iterate and combine. Its not art anyone else can really see, but I’m still making it :)
Thank you for this, I really think I was lacking perspective and everyone has been so nice and understanding, I'm gonna cry for real
Plus theres that thing where people who like art and have a good eye for it and can appreciate quality stuff, usually develop that discerning eye early in life, and so by the time you are trying your hands at stuff, especially if that happens later in adulthood, you have very advanced critical eye, and very UNadvanced skills because its still new and developing
Haha, this feels like almost exactly what my situation is.
I've been sticking to what I know but maybe I need to try new things. Thank you for the suggestion to try out new mediums.
Metalworking is so cool, I hope you make that crown, I would love to see it when it's done.
You'll be the first one I show it to, if and when, comrade! :D
same to you, keep it up and keep showing your stuff! No matter what you do, just keep making things :3
Try making copies of ones you like and coloring them. Even just a little. Try some watercolor, or whatever is on hand.
Get a pack of cheap frames and try framing a few. Putting a frame on something can like really punch up how something appears. Sometimes a frame is all that's needed to feel "finished."
If you wanna get "better," study anatomy, draw bones, muscles. Draw bodies. Draw portraits. Look at art and watch some videos. Work bigger.
Personally, idrc if something looks funky or off. I kinda prefer a funky portrait or abstract done with love and concentration and time, over some shitty ai glowing full color rendering. My fav kind of art is like "outsider art" where the person was just making shit all the time, expressing themselves, technical stuff doesn't matter, they did it out of love or habit.
Personally, I really like your drawings! I'd love to have one framed. If you never studied anatomy or whatever, and kept doodling, sketching, working stuff out, that would be very cool and admirable. Most people don't have time or energy for what it takes to be a "real" artist. Shit is so fucking gatekept its insane. Just make stuff cuz it feels good and you're left with something you can look back on. Your art is 1000% valid, and you don't need approval from some bourgeois art critic or buyer.
Thank you for your suggestions and perspective. And the compliment! No one has said they wanted something I made framed before!!
I can promise you even if I get "better" I will never stop making stuff like this. These types drawings have become a kind of catharsis for me I guess. I just want to sharpen my skills because the brain -> paper transition is never quite how I want it to be.
I think its probably just gonna take practice, connecting the brain to the arm and hand to the paper. Like, creating those pathways in the nervous system, it is a very practical and physical process. Its almost like, you aren't practicing to "get better" making stuff is practice. You'll move through a period of deliberate decision making to just having those connections set up and flowing.
Thanks so much for sharing!
Idk nuffin about art but i like what im looking at
thank you for the kind words
I think these are pretty cool abstract drawings. Some ways to make them feel more finished may be adding color or texture, or maybe reproducing them on higher quality paper or canvas?
Why do you say you can tell you're shit at art?
Thank you!
I guess just browsing around the internet and through my studies, I see all these beautiful works and designs and then I look at what I'm capable of and I don't measure up. But I can't tell what I'm doing wrong or missing, because I don't know what I don't know. And when I ask art questions on social media they usually get ignored or deleted. No one I know IRL is an artist either
making an image and having it not be one of the coolest things youve ever seen =/= you made a shit image
and just curious, "I see all these beautiful works and designs" are the works you mentioned here the same kind of art as yours? comparing apples to oranges and all that
I don't really know where to find art that's like mine, or what one would call my art except abstract. I'm going to be looking into artists that others recommended, so if my stuff reminds you of any artist or style please let me know. I really am quite new so any "obvious" artists would be new to me
wdym this is cool!
thank you

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