Probably just messaging fake accounts/bots to make it look like women use the app but then real women get the flack for it

Reminded me of a terrible joke.

Why couldn’t Hellen Keller drive a car?

Because she was a woman.

Helen Keller wasn’t real

wat

you're not real either, buddy.

Shut up Jaden Smith

Years ago, a friend of mine once had: "Seeking partner skilled in armed combat for the coming apocalypse. Must not be averse to cannibalism" as their bio.

Got 'em a couple DMs I think

Yeah that sounds like a fun person

I had a similar experience with hinge after a 7-year long relationship fell apart. The most vapid, basic profiles devoid of any individual personality. I think the way hinge does their profiles leads to that. I eventually gave up and instead of trying a different app, i just realized that I like being single.

Instead of spending my time swiping on basic bitches, I took up painting, hiking, got back into practicing my instruments again and joined the local symphony and a celtic fiddle group, became more active in niche online spaces and made a ton of friends there, etc.

At this point I honeslty can't even imagine inviting a woman into my life and being beholden to her whims and expectations šŸ¤·šŸ¼ā€ā™‚ļø

You're wrong. I met many of those ladies.

They are legitimately vapid and basic people with no personality. Unless you think following trends on social media is a personality, then you might really like hanging out with them!

at least "designed to be deleted" part of it is truthful. Nothing else to be done with that garbage program.

Lol it's so enshitified it's designed to be deleted

"Hellen Keller wasn't real" is an immediate swipe away from a profile. I don't care if they're joking or if they're actually a nut job conspiracy theorist. If the latter, obviously we're not gonna vibe, and if the former, that entire joke/line of thinking is prefaced on ableism and the idea that a deaf and blind woman could not have accomplished what she did, not to mention the erasure of a prominent socialist, suffragist, and activist. I fucking hate that joke.

This is the first I've ever heard about it, and I'm so confused

It started as a joke, and now there are actual people who believe that she was either not a real person, or that her accomplishments were faked. People with disabilities are already assumed to be lesser than able bodied people, and this particular trend is stripping away one of the most prominent examples to the contrary. It is also erasing one of the most prominent examples of a famous socialist woman in American history, and a southern American socialist woman at that. Her story is amazing, but more importantly, she is historically significant. She is an example to so many people, and she has been liberal-washed for a century, and now she's being erased entirely. It's disgusting.

I guess this is another moon landing flat earth sovereign citizen thing.

it's a nothingburger that people online like to tilt at.

because they are all brave Knights errant, who are rescuing damsels or something.

where you around for Bonsai Kittens? lots of people lost their shit over that thinking it was some legit thing.

This is not at all comparable to bonsai kittens. Bonsai kittens were not at all based in reality. Hellen Keller was an actual, real human person who is being erased by idiotic conspiracy theorists. She was a disabled woman who overcame profound disability to become an incredibly example to millions of people, while also being a highly intelligent political thinker. She has been liberal washed for a century, and now she is being erased entirely. It's not a funny little joke to disregard the accomplishments of someone who represents something that profound to people who are routinely discriminated against. The woman grew up at a time when disabled people were locked away in hospitals, homes, and attics.

Do you have any idea how utterly insulting it is to see people saying she could not have done what she did, or that she did not even exist, simply because they cannot imagine that a woman with her disabilities could learn language? As if to say that disabled people should be outright rejected because their experience is different from an an able bodied persons?

This has nothing to do with "rescuing damsels," and the suggestion that it does is insulting in and of itself. The woman is dead, she cannot rescue herself, she deserves the recognition that she has lost. When she is taught in schools, it's an abbreviated, liberal washed, abridged few paragraphs, when the reality is that she is one of the most important figures in the American disability rights movement, and one of the most prominent examples of a socialist woman in US history, especially southern American US history.

dude, idiots think bonsai kittens were real and were going around outraged about it.

just like idiots think helen keller isn't real.

you are taking idiots way too seriously. please go outside and enjoy the sunshine and stop being ragebaited. you are not saving the world by being angry on the internet at stupid people. all you are doing is inflating your own ego and making yourself miserable.

Doesn't matter had sex.

A VERY prominent and UNAPOLOGETIC socialist. The way history has defanged her and turned her into a simpleton who learned to speak is an absolute appalling insult to the strong, principled woman she was.

Exactly! She's one of my favorite historical figures, but when if she wasn't, even if our politics did not align so well, she does not deserve to swept into the dustbin like this, liberal washed and eventually erased entirely. It's disgusting.

What's this "Helen Keller wasn't real" meme? I've never heard (or seen) it

Just a dumb conspiracy theory where people either think a) she wasn’t actually blind and deaf, or b) she didn’t actually write the books she wrote and shrugs everything she achieved.

https://www.distractify.com/p/is-helen-keller-real-conspiracy

Neither has she, lololol

I don’t get it.

Is it because she’s dead?

She was blind and deaf but yes she did in 1968.

sigh

It's ok, that one got a chuckle outta me

Dating apps are the worst, the absolute worst, way to meet people. I met my husband in a chat room and that's fucking awful right? Dating apps are worse. Go on blind dates, set your friends up, go and scream in the middle of a park, all of those are better than dating apps. Humans don't work like catalogues.

go and scream in the middle of a park

I see you use the bird method

Tinder, Azar, Her, Hinge, match.com, meetic, Ok Cupid, Plenty of Fish, and The League are all owned by a single company.

The ratio of women to men on their dating apps are also wack.

This makes total sense!

I met my husband on Tinder in 2014, 3 years before consolidation in 2017. When I was using it it was only a joint venture with Match Group

I also had some success before 2014 on okcupid (initially owned by IAC which used to contain Match Group and has since separated from match group but Match group kept OkCupid) and POF (sold in 2015 to Match Group)

Makes sense to me why I had a way different experience on dating websites back when I was single compared to my single friends now.

How is that not an anti-trust issue? Each one started as an independent company trying to add value by bringing something new to the table, and they bought them all up to eliminate the competition and enshittified them all with the same profit-gouging algorithms.

Not to mention the concerted effort they made to make in-person dating a social taboo so that everyone literally depends on the dating apps to find potential partners.

Back before I gave up on dating, when I was still on reddit, I can't tell you how many times I heard the same advice. "Don't approach people in person, nobody wants to be bothered. Just use the apps where you know they want to be approached."

That with the systematic minimization of the shittiness of the apps, and the victim blaming "just work on yourself bro, you must be a shit person if you can't find a partner, so you'd find a partner if you could just stop being a shit person."

Looking back, I wonder how much of that was astroturfing by the Match Group marketing department...

Feeld is there too. Their matching and like system is very much weighted towards paying not-cheap monthly prices.

Good lord they own basically all the major ones.

Also all the different ā€œX People Meetā€ apps, but no Linux People Meet? 😭 /s

I met my girlfriend on IRC, we've been living together for 7 years now. She was trolling people with goatse pics and we started talking about philosophy and poetry etc and then it turned out that she's a super cute canadian girl. This is usually not the story we tell people when they ask how we met.

Holy shit, I didn't think that was even possible. I can't let myself start thinking that's a possibility, I just can't. That could lead to disaster.

One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them

We meet here bro 😘

no Linux People Meet?

Are you sure there's no transfemme one?

And they're fake hikers and travelers too. I met somebody irl who said one of their interests was eating food but they just go to the places for the vibes and not for the food. Whereas I'm the complete opposite, I would go to a crack den for the best food.

Best Chinese food I've had was in a legit city basement.

A date I had said their hobbies were walking and hiking among other things. Our 1st date was at a local park with a 20 step stair case that took her out... It was my first exposure to this bizarre labelling that goes on here.

There wasn't a 2nd lol

I love walking and hiking, but having to walk uphill takes me out, too.

Humans are just animals at the end of the day. This is all a sexual display of fitness. Hiking and traveling tell people you're physically and financially fit. You can move around no issue. You are social. You are socially and physically healthy.

They lie a ton and show pics of hiking from 5 years ago and act like they can still do all that. Or they never could and the pics are deceiving... Regardless, it's just a game all genders are playing to show sexual fitness. It looks like carbon copies because it's the best way to communicate "my body moves well and I can afford luxury".

ā€œmy body moves well and I can afford luxuryā€

Swipes right

The best food is usually in places like that too. My home city has this literal hole in a wall mexican place. You know it's good when it's also a grocery store and nobody speaks good English except for the kids who are the wait staff. Best fucking food I've ever had and I'm gutted because they closed down 6 months later and I don't know if they moved or went out of business 😭😭😭

There's this bengali place I love that is also a grocery store. It's so epic

I have a Pavlovian response to seeing shelves of spices and dried peppers in unlabeled bags in a language I can't read because of this. If I'm already hungry and I walk in to a new place and see that suddenly I'm ravenous.

Ohh a group of my friends has someone like that. Although everyone has been getting increasingly distant from her as she won't turn up to anything that isn't fancy enough for her, and there is an increasing feeling that she only ever messages us when she doesn't have anything else she would rather do going on - we hear from her much more when she is unemployed and single.

They do be trifflin

Wait what??

Is "thinks Helen Keller wasn't real" a new mainstream thing??? I saw RW twitter accounts posting about it

Also anon got zero responses because he didn't send deep cut sitcom references

Dating apps fucking suck, for many reasons. One company owns most, probably all in the future. Aims for a lifetime spent on the app through dark patterns and casino techniques. It’s a tech nightmare: requires a face scan sent to the app and also every surveillance company interested in buying them. Builds a profile on you silently, using identifiers from your in-app usage. Even without these, even if it were all FOSS, there’s an heavily skewed gender ratio.

>Why can't I get a partner by sitting alone in my room and swiping?

>This must be the fault of women

You know, I’m very much for equality, but in this situation a woman can do exactly that and get loads of dates.

It’s the initial connection that is the highest barrier for men, after that, yeah, kinda need to leave the house to get a partner.

I think its cuz there is a lot more men there then women

Meanwhile OP's profile

From multiple apps Hinge actually worked out the best for me despite having some traits that aren't ideal for dating apps (short, unemployed, autistic). The algorithm adapts quite quickly to what you like so I see mostly alternative people, nature friends and scientists. I've been using it for a few weeks and out of my 7 matches 5 were biologists.

The dude is right tho about sending likes and comments being useless, every match I got was from women liking me first. But that's where Hinge is better than other dating apps: you see who liked you without having to pay.

all i get is therapists, marketing, and finance.

i've never met a biologist.

He's got a point about carbon copy profiles, they all blur together after a while, and it's very difficult to find something interesting to talk about in a lot of them.

"fostering men until they find their forever homes."

I see this one at least 10 times a day.

I know it's meant to be positive but gives me horror to me, like Hansel and Gretel

it means she isn't accountable for her actions that drive men away. you are smart to be afraid.

and on the first date she will tell you how all her exes are awful and it's your job as her next boyfriend to fix all their mistakes. you basically start out the relationship with her in emotional debt, and you'll never pay it off with the interest rate she is charging.

I have a suspicion it's one of the default prompts. Or they're just asking an AI or something.

Dating apps belong to a trash can. Hobby is the best place to find a partner. Go to a local meet up to play board games, hike, cycle, jam, improv, debate or whatever. The only way left in the modern world

Walking, cycling and making jam are all things I do on my own tough

But together is fun

Yes, but if you are single who would you do it with

Depends where you live. In my current city there are almost no women going to those kinds of meetups and the city I grew up in is so dead there just aren't any events like that.

Date men then

Hobby is the best place to find a partner.

no it fucking isn't. I can 100% guarantee the nerds reading this that your wife isn't going to appear in the progressive metal moshpit, the netrunner tournament or the climbing center...

well I mean, that last one has a chance of happening, but don't hit on women where they exercise for fuck sake. Also, Disregard females, acquire ascents.

Yeah... "Join a hobby group" is the the go-to answer for people who are devoid of ideas but still want to feel helpful.

Honestly, I think there's something to be said for going back to "little old lady in the community who matches up young singles."

A yenta? In this economy?!?!

Honestly, I think there’s something to be said for going back to ā€œlittle old lady in the community who matches up young singles.ā€

Ah, the AI algorithm. Aged Intelligence. Or amo(u)r intelligence

I'm into ham radios. Do you have any idea how long it's been since I've seen a woman?

I mean... I don't think you've seen your ham radio buddies either.

Maybe get into sausage?

I dunno, I’ve met people through my hobby, including my current partner. It’s sporadic but eh. The internet is a cesspit.

Maybe there's some geographical or cultural differences, but I can say for sure that hobbies is a perfectly normal place to meet women in my area of the US. I have dated plenty of people I've met through hobbies.

Also I think there's a difference between picking up a woman at a gym vs picking them up at a running or biking meetup. I think just like with anything else, there are inappropriate ways to do it, but it's not socially unacceptable from my understanding whereas gym pickups really are.

hit on women where they exercise for fuck sake

Women can say fuck off to me for themselves

I met my soon to be wife on a dating app. You might think from that opening sentence that I'm about to extol the virtues of dating apps. I am not. They are garbage, so I agree the trash can is the best place.

This was during covid lockdowns, so no social opportunities, and I had recently moved to a new area and didn't know anyone nearby. So seemed the only option, terrible as it is. And yeah it worked out for me, but that's beating the odds. It was an unpleasant experience and was thrilled to be done with it. But, it might be a similar situation for others. No better option seemingly available.

That said, prior to that, I attended a lot of meetups via meetup.com and had a fair bit of luck dating through that. And regardless of if I met someone or not at any given thing, I had fun.

What does hiking and traveling even mean? I'm nomadic and spend most of my time hiking. The only people doing the same are retired 60+. I never see anyone my age on trails, camping, being nomadic. I've literally never met someone my age or younger who's a functioning tramp. In the last year I've only met one couple in a schoolie who were <50.

where do you live?

I see lots of the nomadic digital natives went i am hiking and traveling. but I'm rich and so are they and we go to rich people places.

people like that don't hang out in poor people places. they go from trendy brand name location to trendy brand name location.

Well I suppose for most people hiking is a thing they do a week or two out of the year, or maybe they go on short hikes where they don't even need to camp.

Hiking means going for a walk in a park after work, or spending a day, well, hiking in the woods on the weekend.

Is your expectation that hiking means only people that don't have to spend most of their time working and can wander the earth instead?

Dating apps are brutal for men, especially 4channers.

They're terrible for women as well, just in a very different way.

What is it they say, dating apps for men are like being in a desert looking for anything they can drink.

Dating apps for women are like being in a swap; plenty to drink but none of it good.

No, the problem with dating apps for women is that there are tons of "regular" guys looking for a relationship, but because of the gender ratios there are also quite a few "top 5%" guys relative to the number of women. Guys that are very attractive and have great charisma, the kind you'd see on the bachelorette or similar shows.

What ends up happening is that most women will match with these guys (the same way men will swipe right on every supermodel looking woman just in case). So you have relatively few guys dating pretty much all the women they can, because our society says that sleeping with a lot of women if you can is a great way to show you have value. And for these men there are plenty of fish in the sea and no reason to settle down so they get labeled "fuckboys". Fundamentally these men would normally be completely inaccessible to most women, but the gender ratios on dating apps create this situation where average men don't get any matches and average women are only dating fuckboys who don't want a relationship. Then they leave the app and quit dating for a bit out of frustration.

In a normal setting average men and women pair up over shared interests and goals, and fuckboys date supermodels (over their shared focus on aesthetic beauty and charisma I suppose).

Obviously this is an overgeneralisation. But it's not exactly a gendered issue since if you flip the genders you'd other still get the same dynamic. The problem on these apps is the gender ratios. You can't have health matchmaking when there are 10 men for every woman (or vice versa).

At some point I think they were designed to be deleted but there's more money in the opposite. Somewhere along the road, they realized and made a shift and they got shitty.

It was 2015. Pretty much the same year as most tech.

I'd love to hear someone who thinks Helen Keller wasn't real describe what they think the late 1800s was like.

I haven't heard of her so I guess I can start with my guess of what the 1800s was like.

Napoleonic wars leaving millions dead.

People pushed into overcrowded towns and cities, fuelling disease outbreaks like cholera.

Potato famine and British government approach of "lol don't care" resulting in over a million dead.

It worked around COVID time - I matched a few people and met my partner on it. It did get bought out soon after though.

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