Helen of Scandinavia
(midwest.social)
People TwitterThey'd be mad if a movie about Shaka and the Zulus had any black actors in it.
Source for the screenshots.
https://www.tiktok.com/@jennarenee.s/video/7221288622887324974
https://www.tiktok.com/@jennarenee.s/video/7215731084120624427
She's not Greek, she's from New York. Seems she went slightly viral in 2023. Personally haven't heard of her before.
Too weak to be Scandinavian, just look at those minuscule shoulders.
Her hair isn't straight it has a wave to it.
If the girl looks like DLSS5, she's prompted y'all.
Just say that you'd march to troy for her. Its fine
Some greeks supposedly were blond. They used the term xanthos, a term meaning golden, yellow, or light brown/auburn hair.
The greeks of today aren't necessarily representative of what the greeks back then looked like.
Yes, but when the ancient Greek describe "blonde" they aren't referring to the same colors we associate blonde with. Alexander the Great's hair was said to be xanthos.... Contemporary depictions of him are with light brown or chestnut colored hair.
The greeks of today aren't necessarily representative of what the greeks back then looked like.
Yes, because a lot of Greek people have some Slavic lineage in their family history and are lighter skinned than ancient Greek would have been.
Yeah, I think a lot of people underestimate how blonde some Scandinavians are. I had that realization when my school went to France, and I realized that almost every single one of my classmates was "blonde" by the French definition, while I had previously thought that only a couple were blonde with the rest being auburn, light brown or chestnut. The "straw" colored hair that gets white in the summer is kinda rare in teens and adults, even among Scandinavians.
Can we blame that on Varangians specifically, or is it a more modern globalization thing?
I guess it would fit better in more of the globalization category? The bulk of the Slavic migration into Greece and Macedonia happened as a result of the effects of the Justinianic plague which caused the Byzantine empire to retract.
I can’t help but wonder if this was posted by someone who didn’t care about history, and just wanted to compliment a woman they thought was remarkably beautiful.
Doesn't seem that way
https://xcancel.com/ArtisanAles1/status/2078954828844146971#m
That looks like AI anyway. Look how her shirt in the right pic falls weird.
https://www.tiktok.com/@jennarenee.s/video/7221288622887324974
https://www.tiktok.com/@jennarenee.s/video/7215731084120624427
Hmmm, still not convinced. Especially on that second one. These seem very set up, unless they have time to do skits while working for that drive up.
Or the fact that, while in the exact same lpcation, even on the same chair, she is wearing an entirely different outift, top and bottom
Pretty sure she just works there. Looks like she's the hostess
Hair clip is fucked too.
Whoa, that's hilarious. She's starting a new fashion trend by half hair-clipping your overalls.
Oh well. I try to give people the benefit of the doubt, which means I’m wrong A LOT. Thanks for adding context!
Or maybe they're not commenting on her appearance at all and saying she owns a marina with 1,000 ships.
Also possible lol
D...do they think that's what a Woman from Post Bronze age collapse Sparta would look like?
Aryan Jesus would approve.
Helen of Tromsø
Smellin of Troy
Well do remember that the Greeks of today would look almost nothing like the Greeks of the Bronze Age. Numerous migration waves and foreign conquerors have come in those intervening 3,000 years.
That's not really true, especially in southern Greece. DNA studies have shown the modern Greek people share around 90% of their ancestry with ancient Minoans and Myceenans. In the South, especially on islands like Crete they're virtually the same. In the North there is some admixture mostly with Slavic and Balkans, and some traces from the Ottoman empire.
Relatively short term occupations or small migrations tend to change an ethnic groups DNA less than you would think. After 4 generations you would end up with the same scenario of seeing the whitest person you have ever seen claiming they're 1/16th Cherokee.
Nefrititi lived 3000 years ago and based on her bust wouldn't look out of place in most Mediterranean countries today, there's no reason to think contemporaneous Greeks would look any less Mediterranean.
It goes from this:
to this:
https://www.npr.org/2022/07/12/1109995973/we-know-greek-statues-werent-white-now-you-can-see-them-in-color
Norwegian/Turk - same/same?
Race wasn't even a concept back then, and people weren't segregated based on looks.
This is true. People were prejudiced, of course, but the concept of racism specifically, as opposed to ethnic tribalism, is comparatively modern. Don’t forget there were white slaves and black emperors of Rome, etc. Skin color is a comparatively modern obsession.
It is more different and regional than pigment oriented. It would be more like my Scottish buddy who fucking HATES glasweigians and couldn't give two fucks about your skin color.
I guess. In the modern world we learn to pick up on the small on average differences between ethnicities that have had families live I uncertain climates for hundreds or thousands of years. But the thibgs white supremacists are projecting onto the past weren't even around until colonial days. Helen could have looked tan, it's probably most likely, but she also could have looked black. We really don't know for sure. You can look up the history of race. It used to just be nationality. race was not even a concept. Maybe you noticed some people had darker skin. Or some regions had people with darker skin on average. But people still migrated in the ancient world.
Really? People have always put other people in ‘boxes’. Even apes do it.
