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People TwitterWhen video games suddenly are able to simulate normal body hair after decades of perfectly smooth polygons because fine body hair was just too much for GPUs to handle.
Just another case of a desperate need to touch grass.
How can anyone dislike beautiful soft face fuzz đ„șđ„ș
This obsession with women not having hair sort of has pedo vibes to it. It's like they want their pre-pubesent girl and not women.
My wifes sister gets her pube shaved by laser at a lab. Very weird stuff
I don't have kids, but doesn't children have peach fuzz as well? Can't remember for myself
Yes humans have hair.
Yes, children are born covered in peach fuzz. Sometimes babies even have dark hair covering their backs that fall out and leave just the peach fuzz behind.
We're mammals after all :)
Nah, this one is more homophobic. Same reason why these people are obsessed with absurdly out of proportion breast implants. They need to signal to themselves and to the world that they definitely definitely aren't ever even thinking of men as attractive. Yet somehow also a subculture obsessed with every man's testosterone levels and muscles.
Its always the ones you most suspect
It's almost as though the Pedo Guy tweet was pure projection đ§
Is Jesse Cox the pedo guy, or are you referring to Trump?
Yes
Look again. Cox wrote the tweet and shared the image from the guy questioning the hair. Cox is woke as can be. This is another comment from him:
A few of you, I think, read this wrong and have been angrily DMing to let me know women DO have hair. I promise you, I know this. â€ïž Iâm just sharing another persons hot take.
Also the tweet is from 2022 and I dearly hope he left the nazi cesspool by now.
Honestly, I don't even want to have this much hair, I want fur instead, like our chimp ancestors.
Chimps are not our ancestors. We probably share a common ancestor though.
Chimp fur is quite coarse and awfully similar to thick, dense human body hair. I'd prefer something softer, like cat hair, but not chinchilla hair. That is too high maintenance.
That is too high maintenance.
I for one would love to take dust baths.
Same, but their hair is so dense it can rot if it gets too wet. Maybe quarter density chinchilla hair.
Fur would be much more cozy!
Personal favorite was one time I referenced how an electric razor worked, and a redditor nitpicking the mechanism ended with 'you'll figure it out when you get your first boyfriend, honey.'
Like.
Buddy.
The tales my electric razor could tell from when I used to shave my body hair.......
Its wild this is all we heard of it cause do.you know how insane those models are?
There was a similar reddit thread about this game character a couple of years ago in which a guy had posted his screenshot of his "improved" model of her for everyone to admire his work and was defending his modding of the character to "beautify" her because he didn't like her "masculine" qualities such as facial hair, not having a "feminine shaped face", skinny waist, voluptuous bosom, etc. The consensus through most of the thread was that the guy was a chud. But he really ground his heels in on the fact that he didn't think female video game characters should be in any way "ugly" (to how he saw them).
Which is bullshit he would think that. This peach fuzz is fucken impressive. I bet these models took upwards of hundreds maybe even breaking a thousand hours to make.
Just wait until they find out about how pubic hair works!
When I was a teenager, my porn obsessed guy friend eventually... tried to hook up with a girl (he was eventually unsuccessful). Hours later, his disgusted shocked complaints and confusion about the overgrowth amused and embarrassed us all. Like he expected this normal person to be like what he saw in the videos online.
peach fuzz is not a beard
Peach fuzz
Incels still haven't discovered mammals have hair. Its impressive really
It's congruent with the rest of their level of knowledge
Thatâs a lot of âpeach fuzz.â Yâall a bunch of Osama Bin Laden lookin women.
Thank you for leaving more women for the rest of us.
Tell me youâve never been close to a woman without telling me.
Itâs like you didnât even fully read the image hahahaha
Is this your first day on the internet?
Not everyone has to speak in the same shitpost-y way that some of you enjoy. The internet is as varied as the users.
Your joke clearly didn't land with anyone here.
Iâm sorry for hurting your feelings.
I'm sorry you weren't clever enough to deliver an actually funny joke.
Imagine telling on your own virginity this hard in public
I think it's better out there than keeping it to some little incel groups. Also, there is no shame in being a virgin.
To an incel there definitely is
The weirdest part is the fact he probably never been close to his mother too.
Which is weird, because lots of guys have been that close to his mother
Got him
Her
It might be the same problem
Only in select rural areas, famously Alabama, but there are other places as well.
I took his comment to mean that the lack of connection with his mother is why they can't establish connections with other females. Not that they were to bed their mother.
Yeah, same. I guess he never broke both his arms
Didnât think Iâd see that reference on Lemmy hahaha
Too many people in the world have received too few hugs from their mothers.
I'm still flabbergasted by this ridiculous outrage, like, it was crazy. Calling a bit of natural peach fuzz a beard, crazy work. These incels and weirdos really are twisted ass dudes.
Humans are mammals, so we're a bit hairy, that's genuinely not out of the ordinary for a regular woman to have a bit of peach fuzz. What isn't normal is making it seem abnormal, these chuds, they're truly tragic in so many ways.
it's ragebait.
if you raged and took this seriously, they won.
the point of posts like this is to make people flip out and get them to reply and push engagement.
and it works. it worked on you.
call them names all you want, you are giving them what they want.
Hey you replied, too! It worked on you as well :)
The tag that I added to the above user's handle gives me a good chuckle every time I see them in the wild. Helps balance the rank odiousnesses of many of their comments lol the irony of a troll like them calling something rage bait only adds to my glee.
I didn't take this seriously, it's just confusing that this caused people to actually lose their minds. There's no rage to be felt about this as all I feel is absolutely confused this passes for something to feel outrage over. ROFL It's just weird to me that they never saw a woman up close, and knew that peach fuzz is a thing women have on their faces. I did call them names, but, incel does seem fitting in this case. More than ever.
I think theyâre saying that the OPâs OPâs OP was rage bait, i.e. the guy pretending not to know people have fine hair everywhere was just trolling.
i also think it's funny how enraged people are you suggest it's rage bait.
because clearly this is some huge problem, instead of stupid internet flaming bullshit.
but ragebait works. people love being angry over stupid bullshit and projecting their angst at imaginary chuds that likely don't really exist.
No one is mad you're calling it rage bait, though what you're doing is rage baiting as well since if you were around the internet when that game released you know full well all the gamergate chuds lost their fucking minds. Fuckin dweebs are always so loud. Anyway yeah this was actual discourse for a month or two, not just assholes ragebaiting.
My interpretation of gamergate, which I was there watching it happen live, was very very different than the popular narrative about it.
But hey, what do I know, I only lived through it. I didn't read about it through a bunch of idiot mainstream journalists who only focused on the 'evil men vs innocent women' narrative to score the post clicks.
A lot of the 'harassment' that the key female figures received, never had any evidence. I also knew Zoey Quin, I went out with her on a date in 2011. She was an absolute nutcase, probably had BPD or something. Her grasp on reality was very tenuous before gamergate, so I doubt anything she said about those event was remotely truthful. And I'm sure her boyfriend there was also equally mentally ill.
But sure, tell me how I'm rage baiting or something. Despite me having personally known at least one of the people involved. And I also was friends with a person who was friends with Anita in SF, who also told me she was an absolute nutcase of a person. And my friend's husband, who was also a figure in gamergate, though minor, was an another absolute psycho. She divorced him two years later because of his physical and mental abuse of her. He also went on and on about 'harassment' and 'abuse' when his shitty games got bad reviews. He, like Anita, Zoey, and all the rest, were trust fund babies who engaged in all sorts of abuse, manipulation, and lying about who they were and their finances. My friends husband had all his millions in offshore accounts, and would post to social media about how he was struggling to get idiots to give money for his 'art'.
Notice how now these figures all gave up on gaming, and go around being professional victims? Getting paid 1000s to talk about their 'trauma' and how horrible and awful gaming culture is? Yeah, that's just more grift. It was never about games. It was abotu them creating a narrative by which they could con people into giving them money for playing a imaginary role.
And lots of social media/influencer figures out there are like this. They make up fake drama that has no factual or evidential basis, never appears in court, and milk their fans for huge sums of money. It happens again and again, and people like you eat it up, because you love this notion that these are poor innocent helpless people being abused by these evil faceless masses of harassment. It's manipulation through and through.
but hey, what do i know, right, i'm clearly just another evil chud right? it can't possibly be that gamergate was just a lot of shitheads being shitheads, and faking everything so they could score cash and fame from the ignorant public... people never ever do that, right? that's not... a proven business model we've seen replicated again and again.
and reporters ate it up, despite having no sourced evidence other than the hearsay of the participants. I remember another local figure who lived in my city, who reported all this harassment, opened a police report, and it was shut down because the police found no evidence and she would provide none of this so called harassment. And what she do? claim it was police ignorance/misogyny, and her fans ate it up and her donations piled up... and her game she was working on... all the sudden development stopped and she dissipated from the gaming/public scene entirely. weird how her 'art' she 'struggled' for no longer matter one she had a few 100K in donations, oh and she fired the two people working for her.
and clearly I'm just lying and making this all up right? the level of detail is just my imagination, not my lived experience and memory that doesn't mesh up with the 'gamergate was bad mean people harassing innocent women' narrative most folks seem to believe.
Oh holy shit you're literally a gamergater. Fuckin, and you just admit that to people? You're literally the guy in the fuckin meme, holy shit.
I don't believe a single word of this comment, but especially that you went on a date with Zoey Quin.
Theyâre still wrong.
Maybe. Itâs impossible to know. If it is rage bait, it definitely worked.
There were very real tantrums about this. Look at the reaction to the new God of War.
Pretending like incels donât whine about the âintegrity of their gamesâ and âwoke bullshitâ is silly.
I know. Just saying itâs not clear in this instance. It seems almost too ridiculous to be real, but it could be.
I have peach fuzz. It's soft and fuzzy and cute--- and you'd only see it if you were in punching range.
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Is the beard in this room with us?
point on the doll where the beard hurt you.
She had to work tonight.
we are mammals
From the windows to the...
you and me baby...
Aint nothing but mammals, doing it like they do on the discovery channel
Itâs a shame that song lost momentum.
Do yall remember the Discovery Channel?
Thatâs the one where they drive trucks on the ice right?
I think that was the History Channel.
Nah that was the discovery channel. The history channel was too busy with generational pawn shops, the history of aliens, and jerking it to WWII footage
That used to be fun
âA pirate wanting to explain his wife who he considers his family.
You, me, and the manatee
I'm surprised they would include that
Why?
It's not something people often include. It's more work too for no (?) benefit from the game studio's point of view
Realism?
It's a game about robot dinosaurs. I don't think they're making their money on realism, exactly haha. But someone else mentioned how it could broaden the player base and that makes sense
Well, realistic bodies :) like how facial features during speech for example was the focus just a couple of years ago
There's massive benefit to representing women accurately in media.
Does a game studio in this case actually care about that? I'd just expect them to want to make most money with least effort. That's why I'm surprised
....they did? They made the game this way. This game is already out.
I think it's kinda funny that you're surprised they would be inclusive. I'd bet there are quite a few women on the dev team and there are quite a few women who play these games.
I'm always surprised if a big corporation cares about anything other than making money tbh
Why do you think that appealing to women and broadening their customer base would not make them money?
Has everyone forgotten that women play games, too?
If you mean financial benefit, yeah, I can see your point.
That's what I mean. I feel like that's all these big corporations care about
Women play games. And men who appreciate attention to detail play games.
The only people who might be turned away from buying this game because of this particular detail are incels. And why should a game studio cater to them?
Incels are a big player base. But they've probably done the math on which one benefits them more
Considering the game sold 8.4 million copies by April 2023, I don't think the incel community is as big of a player base as you think.
The studio probably doesn't set out with an exact artistic vision, and then arrive there as quickly as possible. Much more likely they decided 15 (or whatever) artists is enough for this project, and they are paying them until the project is done. For the artists, that means if they've met the bare minimum, then chasing smaller and smaller things to keep busy... Keeps them busy.
Likewise, the studio is (hopefully) still within their estimate for the art budget, so there's no one breathing down their neck about cutting costs there. It's not worth it to fire people just because the work is done, especially if they might need that capacity for something close to release.
Technically, the director (or someone) probably could tell them "That's everything for now. Doomscroll until we need you again", but that's not really best for anyone - so effort spent on meaningless detail wins.
When her face isn't taking up more than 50% of the screen, the beard isn't rendered. Mipmaps for Level-Of-Detail
The beard is likely only rendered in cut-scenes, and that's likely it.
No triangles were harmed in the making of this beard
Edit: The original post (coward) read something like
I get that women have beards, but why waste gpu cycles on something so unneccesary
Don't you know there is a triangle shortage!
/s
Actually right now it's more the squares that hold the triangles
thank you for this piece of information đ
nah mang you know what you did
My kins women can be a hell of a lot hairier than that, like my great great aunt who taught me to fight.
Because we're all still hairy apes even if the hair got a lot shorter.
My 2 year old daughter has peach fuzz on her back and it's very cute
I hope it's only rendered on close-ups? Not gonna waste performance on minuscle details you don't see normally.
Things like that are usually photo mode or cinematic only. Things where you can either expect the player to not notice mild latency, and you can turn off the rest of the universe except for what's on screen.
Games are shockingly good at hiding absolutely everything that doesn't need to be sent to the render system.
Afaik, the ingame model has no facial hair at all. It's only on the box art.
Youâre also looking at the back of Aloyâs head while you play and focusing on the giant robot trying to eat you so itâs not really something you see anyway
Instagram has set some astronomical standards, especially for women.
Instagram? This shit is straight from Gamer Gate style incels.
It was because of this image I purchased the game.
I still want to, if I ever get enough "fuck you money" to buy a ps5
The series has been on PC for like years now
I'm assuming from this comment that you don't have a PC that can run it, but as a PSA both are on Steam and go on sale pretty regularly.
They're worth it at full price IMO
Eh... Very visually beautiful, but for some reason, the gameplay just didn't appeal to me much and I couldn't really get into it much. Didn't help that (at least in the beginning of the one I played) the story seemed bland, vague, and a bit confusing.
Still, though, visually wonderful. Amazing graphics and art.
Wow really? The story is one of my favorite parts, I put it up there with BioShock in terms of ludonarrative resonance. Admittedly it gets a bit fuzzy in the sequel but the characters are well written and the world building is delightful. But everyone has their tastes, and the combat is something you either click with or spend the whole game fighting against. I will say combat is a bit sloppier in the sequel, they give you quite a few more tools but no real reason to use them for the most part. Still a good time though.
I haven't played either but watched a lot of my wife's playthroughs of both and they seemed pretty awesome
What games?
Horizon Zero Dawn and Horizon Forbidden West
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Isn't it on steam now?
My mom had a straight up mustache before she died.
Most women do!
G*mers
It's embarrassing af
I hate that I have to clarify that I don't like the new GoW because Ragnarok was bad, not because woman lead â all because of these low T creeps who are jealous of digital women having more facial hair than them.
I liked the first one a lot better too
Yeah, I didn't really like the 2nd Horizon, not because they made Aloy less hot, but because the writing just wasn't as good and progression basically mandates the stupid crafting hunts for hyper specific animals.
I didn't mind that part of the sequel. The writing wasn't as good though but my main issue weirdly was just that they give you a bunch more weapons and tools and no reason whatsoever to use most of them. Kinda fumbled with the design there, where in the first you needed every tool depending what you were facing off against.
DEI chins and now woman BEARDS smh my head
I mean yes, but also is that really detail we need in a game? I would rather have better performance tbh.
We don't need teeth or ssao or eyeballs or physx or gi
Do you think those individual hairs are being rendered while running around in game?
We don't and it's not in-game. It's just on the box art.
Ahh if its just box art that makes more sense I guess.
Wouldn't it be a similar amount of graphics used as putting in a man's beard?
Horizon Forbidden West was designed to run on most people's PCs and the PS5.
Real representation of women in media is important, yes.
With Horizon Forbidden West now available on PC, benchmarks have revealed whether the game plays better on AMD or Nvidia hardware. While GeForce GPUs put in a respectable performance, it's clear that the port runs best on Radeon graphics cards.
Despite its origins as a PlayStation 5 exclusive, you don't need the best graphics card to play Horizon Forbidden West. In fact, the game appears to run well on aging pixel pushers, providing you're willing to turn down a few settings and make use of dynamic resolution scaling (DRS).
AMD's victory in Forbidden West has been certified by Computer Base, which tested more than ten graphics cards across multiple generations and manufacturers, using a Ryzen 9 7950X3D CPU to get its results.
YOU get a beard! And YOU get a beard!....
Normally you don't see the individual hairs with a mans beard do you? More of a mesh and texture over it.
Actually starting about ten fifteen years ago it was a big trend in games to add realistic hair that models individual strands and how they react to movement and gravity. Bunch of games have a real hair setting or something like that, Witcher 3 did it and boy did you need a beefy rig to handle that when it came out.
Back then it was TressFX and NVIDIA HairWorks. Real good hair with physics is making a comeback, that new Dragon Age no one played has excellent hair.
I played it! It was a pretty good game if a bit too PG. Terrible dragon age though. I do not know who thought nice-washing the literally grittiest most grim dark violent fantasy IP was a good idea.
It started as a live-service game (cause Anthem was such a success for EA), so they had to file all the edges for mass marketability.
Yeah and even with the development hell it went through, the final product was still a fun game, and one of the best performing ue5 games to date even. It's just not good at being dragon age. Like, the violent brutal brotherhood of assassins that literally abduct children and torture them either till they die or become assassins themselves and keep an entire city in line through fear of death, they're just portrayed as a bunch of lovable rogues! Like half the kids they abduct die in training. It's ridiculous.
You should read through the other discussions in this thread.
Ragebait.
Anyone capable of zooming in on an image and using an ellipse tool on it isn't that dumb.
How old are all y'all? This game isn't that old, and hard R Gamers were screeching about Aloy's facial hair and other parts of her design constantly, till they found out she was gay. All this is ignoring that when the first game released the character was a minor and chuds still screeched about how she wasn't attractive enough.
There were very real tantrums about this in the gaming world.
Just look at the reaction to the new God of War game.
even before this there were SWATHS of weird incels raging out bc aloy wasnât âprettyâ enough for them.
Never doubt the determination of a G*mer to hate on women.
Less "Why do women have hair" and more "Why are developers spending time and money on peach fuzz when game development is already too expensive?"
Oh no serving a different demographic than me sharing is hard uwuwu
Because it's part of how you get realistic light scattering in the photo modes and visuals that people like?
You can't have realistic graphics without doing the things that make something look realistic.
It's the same reason they spend time figuring out how light moves through cheek skin: if the light doesn't do that you look like a plastic sculpture and it's wrong.
Love a good fuzzy peach.
I've always seen the argument coming from incels who want their game women to look like anime, but this is the first realistic take on it.
Yeah, i don't want to spend money on a new graphics card because some artistic vision includes peach fuzz. Realism in video games has met a new point where, we dont want to spend money on seeing more realism.
Like it's cool to see some realistic hair but i dont want to smell Geralt's unwashed anus when i havent visited a bath house in a while. I cant speak for everyone, but realism isnt always necessary or better.
It's funny you bring up Geralt when Witcher 3 has a specific setting just for realistic hair, and that setting would stress your system if it wasn't up to snuff. Picked a poor example there.
That's my point exactly though. Allowing someone to turn off Nvidia Hairworks so you can play on weaker hardware or get more fps is the right move. You had the choice and it should look good either way.
Wouldn't it be a similar amount of graphics used as putting in a man's beard?
Also did most people have to upgrade their graphics cards to play Horizon: Forbidden West? I thought it was scaled to most people's setups?
With Horizon Forbidden West now available on PC, benchmarks have revealed whether the game plays better on AMD or Nvidia hardware. While GeForce GPUs put in a respectable performance, it's clear that the port runs best on Radeon graphics cards.
Despite its origins as a PlayStation 5 exclusive, you don't need the best graphics card to play Horizon Forbidden West. In fact, the game appears to run well on aging pixel pushers, providing you're willing to turn down a few settings and make use of dynamic resolution scaling (DRS).
AMD's victory in Forbidden West has been certified by Computer Base, which tested more than ten graphics cards across multiple generations and manufacturers, using a Ryzen 9 7950X3D CPU to get its results.
It's ironic he brought up Geralt when Witcher 3 actually had a setting specifically for realistic hair that did stress your system if it wasn't powerful enough.
Wouldn't it be a similar amount of graphics used as putting in a man's beard?
Yes, but a beard on a man makes up a significant part of his appearance. A few barely visible hair do nothing for graphics except waste performance - a negligible amount tho, tbf.
But then again, afaik, the in game model has none of this facial hair. It's just on the box art.
I would say the key difference is that facial peach fuzz will be virtually invisible except in a close up still frame, and if it's missing it won't be missed.
Horizon Forbidden West added a "photo mode", I think mostly just to show off how good the graphics can be (when nothing is being animated). It does look awesome. If you zoom the camera in, you get anatomically correct facial features.
There might also be some conversation scenes with close-ups of Aloy. Depending on your graphics settings, you might get some extra details rendered.
I am absolutely convinced that the game is not rendering fine hairs while you're fighting robot dinosaurs, since, as you suggest, that would be kind of ridiculous.
But, hey, you really kicked the shit out of that straw man! Great job!
I'd counter by saying that girls and women playing this game would be able to identify with Aloy and real representation of women in media would be missed.
Suit yourself. I think that anything that's invisible except in a close-up still frame is a poor use of resources in a video game, and that nobody would say "hang on, where's her peach fuzz?"
You clearly have no idea how games work. Level of detail graphics has been a solved problem for well over two decades. Simply you render high detail up close and remove details at a distance when it wont be noticed.
This topic has already been debated to death.
The game developers don't care what you think.
Women being accurately portrayed in media is important.
I don't know how to make it clearer that I'm not talking about representation, I'm talking about bloated game development. I'm a hairy guy, but hair on a man's chest being modeled instead of just a texture would be a waste, too.
It's also possible that some details don't render unless you are close enough to see it, and so it won't take up much space
Part of the problem is everyone is on UE5 and UE5 does everything for you, which means the art of designing a game engine to efficiently do exactly what you want it to do for your unique game is a dead art. True innovation in game design is gone, so all you have are massive budgets trying to push as many photorealistic details down a standardized pipeline as possible to make a game look AAA.
Zero dawn isnt a UE game it is on guerrilla's own engine, Decima.
And that engine runs and looks gorgeous even on an old 2060.
Looks at GTA VI hype
