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/0I discovered this after upgrading our instance yesterday, which also upgraded all frontends to their latest versions as well. After I did, our Tesseract frontend stopped working and I noticed immediately as it's been my primary for a while. Initially I thought it was an API version mismatch, but no, it was much worse.
Someone pointed out that the developer of the frontend added an explicit hidden and unmodifiably blacklist which includes any and all instances to the left of Kissinger. There's a commit which also explains their specious reasoning about our instance specifically, as it seems we've been on their shit list for a bit longer than that.
This instance and its admin staff encourages identity politics, groupthink, mob mentality, and extremist solutions to societal problems. Users who advocate violence are not moderated so long as the admins agree with the target. Caution and critical thinking are advised when interacting with this instance or its users.
When you use tesseract to connect to one blacklisted such instance , you just get a message informing you that Tesseract is "incompatible with that instance" which leads one to think of a technical issue, like an API mismatch, rather than the dev being an opinionated coward.
Isn't it funny how all the software developed by turbolibs, like Piefed and Tesseract, end up with hidden control mechanisms from developers who think they know better than everyone else? That they don't just think they deserve to tell you what you should think, but they should manipulate you to think it? Isn't it funny how libs go on about how bad it is to support lemmy due to the ideology of the devs behind it, and yet lemmy has 0 opinions as a software? It does make one think...
Anyway, I forked - it as one does - and disabled the blacklist, but since this is a massively ideologically compromised software, I'll doubt I'll keep this frontend up after Lemmy 1.0. I think we'll bring up mlmym again now that someone's maintaining it again.
Call me crazy but I don't think that maga.place is a lefty instance
You don't understand! Freedom of speech is only good when it's freedom of their speech!
But seriously, this recent shift of project leads deciding what users should and shouldn't see is concerning. And honestly, I could give them the benefit of the doubt if they added it as some sort of opt-in list. But no.
They will force their narrative down the users' throats.
I might not always agree with db0, the Anarchist Flotilla, or the "Tankie Triad". But whatever shakes Lemmy right now, consider me an ally. Whatever these egocentric folks attempt to create, it is everything Lemmy was created to replace.
Also, that's a lovely list they made of places to follow.
Devs like this do not belong with open source projects.
Fascist bootlickers you mean?
Users who advocate violence are not moderated so long as the admins agree with the target
are they wrong though?
We're not pacifists, no
Not wrong, but the target of violence being fascists is not a bad thing. The Dev is hiding that fact and pretending all violence is inherently equal. It's the same logic Zionists use to demonize Palestinian resistance groups.
Yeah, actually, this is a huge problem I have with the larger Fediverse. Not just one instance.
The dev still approached it the wrong way though. It’s no excuse.
I want my Fediverse like Reddit, where you get banned for saying Hitler should have been killed but white supremacism is allowed.
Hitler is dead. Of course Reddit sucks.
But I don't think we should explicitly advocate for the death of living people.
Cops, landlords, and (x)illionaires have withheld their humanity to "make a living" and so the same sentiment should be expressed towards them.
Fuck me...
ugggggghhhhhh
Our 'liberals' aren't liberal.
That comment you highlighted just reads like a jordanlund modlog defending genocide by way of banning someone who says 'genociders should die instead, actually'.
They can't help themselves from being elitists.
Its like they're hardwired, they're so incredibly insecure that they front this moral superiority god complex, and anything that challenges the actual logic of that morality is fundamentally evil... because they can't be wrong.
These people are confused... they're reactionary conservatives, they're wannabe politicos/consultants... literal thought police, frame keepers of the overton window.
There’s a commit which also explains their specious reasoning about our instance specifically, as it seems we’ve been on their shit list for a bit longer than that.
As of that commit (April 29) the instance blacklist didn't even include lemmy.ml !
... but i see a month later they added us in this commit, while removing a large list of specific users and communities which they were also previously hiding content from.
Damn, missed the hall of fame club.
wow, i expected you'd make the cut, but i guess you just weren't posting hard enough.
meanwhile @CARCOSA@hexbear.net is not only on the list but was honored with a personal regex and a comment line!
Honestly surprised, considering how much reactionaries hate me. Still, shout out to @CARCOSA@hexbear.net !
Well well well
export let CONTENT_WARNING_INSTANCES = [
{
domain: "lemmy.dbzer0.com",
reason: `This instance and its admin staff encourages identity politics, groupthink, mob mentality, and extremist solutions
to societal problems. Users who advocate violence are not moderated so long as the admins agree with the target.
Caution and critical thinking are advised when interacting with this instance or its users.`
},
]
identity politics
GODDAMMIT I HAVE TO FIGHT THE WOKE WITH MY CODE!!!!!
I consider it a badge of honor that we were the OG "identity politics, groupthink, mob mentality, and extremist solutions to societal problems" instance before it was cool.
There is a good reason to have crowdsourced filters for spammers and chuds, but this shit ain't the way.
I had stopped using it, but I found the Bias checks useful, but then I looked more into https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/ and how the classify certain sites (like Times of Israel somewhat is left-center-leaning lol) and gave up on it. This blocklist of instances is ridiculous.
Like Snopes, they had a decent start but ran aground when they allowed their liberalism to creep in more and more as pushback against reactionaries. When chuds got upset for being called out as the conservatives they are (instead of getting called "moderates" or "centrists"), they aggressively tried to discredit the site. MBFC doubled-down on stuff like the New York Times being "leftwing" because obviously if the far right says something is far left, then it must be far left because why else would they hate it?
"Do you really think conservatives would do that? Just lie about their beliefs while accusing their opponents of hiding theirs? Surely that would be irrational and in bad faith!" thinks the libs over at Media Bias.
Ye the Media Bias Check was cringe but I could ignore it until now.
The commit history of that file (not naming it denylist is telling enough, tbh) is hilarious!
Shadowbanning users in the client, telling users they are subscribed to the wrong communities, it has everything lol
Lol what do they have against archive sites??
It's against copyright and therefore evil per liberal thought processes. Think about the artists and all that tripe.
Imagine being so liberal you think that news should be gated by paywalls and not freely available for the masses.
There's something about the archive.is owner using it to ddos some blog threatening to dox them
Sure, but blocking archive.org? and web.archive.org? That's just weird.
Oh yeah that's weird
Amazing how these projects keep killing themselves by alienating huge portions of their userbase. Hard to survive in a FOSS environment by being extremely reactionary.
There is nothing wrong about adding default filters to the software(whenever they are acceptable by others or not). The problem is that this should be done via a separate data file from which code extracts strings and not be hardcoded, as it is against the programming etiquette. Also, this file with filter data shouldn't be hidden or obscured, so that others can modify it as they want.
Etiquette aside, this is just functionally bad. It took db0 months to notice because the frontend didn't get updated until an instance upgrade. Seems like that would be pretty common and vary widely between instances, making updating the list a slow, unreliable process. Even if they wanted to censor sites themselves, it would've made more sense to have the list itself remotely hosted so it could be updated without waiting for full instance upgrades some months later.
this stuff should never ever be hardcoded.
What a pathetic thing to do
Good on you for making that fork. What a bunch of nerds.
addy.io, mozmail.com (Firefox Relay) and even proton.me in THROWAWAY_EMAIL_DOMAINS. No Simplelogin/Proton pass though
But yet cumallover.me (owned by the chud at cock.li) is allowed
only palantir allowed
I wish emails/SMTP was illegal. Hate it when I join webservices that ask me to use another protocol to authenticate my tired face. There’s 0 reasons to 2FA, even Kerberos, outside the protocol one is using.
every so often you get to hear an opinion that's offensive not because of any bigotry, but just because it's assnine.
It's spelled "asinine" but I do like "assnine" lol
whoops. I've been spelling it wrong my entire life then. oh well! 😅🤣
You could generate a temporary mail address with guerilliamail
I appreciate your suggestion, but my conversation is above your academic title. If you don't have a CCNA or a bachelor's degree in CS, I urge you to disengage, or catch up.
What an odd response
Odd in the sense that you prefer to invite farmers to a technology expo, or odd in not wanting to engage with uneducated folks in a highly technical conversation?
Do you think farmers don't go to technology expos?
what’s wrong with you?
uh okay
Sorry kiddo, you wouldn't get it. Please disengage
Requiring an email for signup is silly. Requiring an email for sign up and also prescribing which services you can use is even sillier.
Also seems to include queer instances like blahaj.zone, which is... Interesting. Blahaj is pretty tame I think as far as leftist politics goes, but is explicitly a trans instance, so I can't help but think that's the reason they are being blocked.
Also, I have never seen this app, but is it useful at all? If there is any value, would it be worth it to fork it and make a better version with the hidden blocklist removed?
EDIT: Derp. I somehow missed that it was already forked with the blacklist removed.
Itself is a fork of the photon frontend, so ultimately it's not as important to fork it imho. I liked using it because it integrated the fediseer and had some tweaks I liked, but the dev's actions and opinionated design eclipsed those benefits.
lmfao. What a weirdo. Gotta be top 10 most pathetic things in software dev.
Also holy fuck I would be ready with the cluebat if I wasted my time troubleshooting sabotage.
top ten most pathetic things
Mayb-
in software Dev
Lol no. Up there, though.
Name 10 things more pathetic.
Not cringe, not evil, pathetic!
No. I stay the hell away from those people. Was my whole childhood and I've mostly repressed those memories.
Well then, conceed the point dear fetishist :p
Never, only that I cannot cite individual examples.
Didn't help that the latest update opened some doors to the all-oppressing chinese botnet scrapers and brought the instance to its knees. I was up until 3am firefighting yesterday.
I thought you were running iocane or one of those fake link mazes?
Did it have some way to hit the DB past it? How?
Man remember when it just kinda worked to use robots.txt (ok Baidu always misbehaved but it didn't always exist). The internet used to be so cool if you were one of the weirdos initiated to the mysteries.
I 'member. Capitalism ruins everything...
We do run iocaine but that only takes care of known spam subnets and scraping agents. You need to know who to target to send in iocaine first. In front of that we have haphash which is a PoW. We don't use it site-wide though, as we're ok people scraping well-cached things like our frontpage. We use it on dynamic content like comments which scrapers love to scrape by the millions, each of them causing a DB query which we cannot cache.
It seems that new lemmy added some new url paths which I didn't know about (I think /comment/ is new, before it was all just /post/) which the botnmets discovered after a few hours and started scraping. On top of that I noticed that some scrapers were using random wildcard domain to go to the main site, so I punted those to iocaine as well.
Nice work. That guy can go fuck himself.
Politics aside, surely they must know that removing such a blocklist would be trivial for anyone technically competent enough to run a Lemmy instance?
Tesseract can be hosted open-ended. I.e. you can use it to connect to any instance. Which I guess the dev is doing. So you could use such an open-ended tesseract to connect to any instance which is not offering it directly. So in that case, it's a way for the dev to prevent such vanilla hosting from seeing leftist instances.
I wouldn't suggest anyone do that of course, especially with an untrustworthy dev like that as you'd have to trust the .js you're loading and passing your credentials or activities through are not getting intercepted for political reasons.
What the hell?!? Why isn't Anarchist Nexus on the blacklist? Are we not posting hard enough? 👿 /j
Blahaj.zone is certainly not "extremist". It's a pretty innocent instance. Must be some major queerphobia going on here.
When you're an extremist, everyone in the world looks like a radical.
Well, they're radical about their genders. Gender is dangerous. You know, to their social order at least. Also lots of organic chemistry involved, and we all know that shit's cursed.
Hexbear.com 🤦🤣
missed shrekland 🌝
Oh whoops 😅. I guess we were banned before this commit?
Yeah, we were banned in the initial wave of "unsupported instances" in March here.
Seems like db0 was upgraded from being allowed with a content warning to fully blocked in April with the commit linked in the op.
I suspect so. I think it all came down during the big slapfight with piefed where A.N. was the first one to get pointed at for "extremism"
Thank you, for posting this and doing the work to fork it (as well as your other projects).
This instance and its admin staff encourages identity politics, groupthink, mob mentality, and extremist solutions to societal problems. Users who advocate violence are not moderated so long as the admins agree with the target. Caution and critical thinking are advised when interacting with this instance or its users.
What a stirring endorsement.
I say, keep it up!
What's more anarchist than taking their code and liberating it?
Any chance you could post his blacklist? I'd like to know where I should be subscribing . . ?
Thanks for your great work.
export const BLACKLISTED_INSTANCES: string[] = [
"abolish.capital",
"altmedia.house",
"anarchist.nexus",
"chapo.chat",
"chatgptjailbreak.tech",
"diggita.com",
"hexbear.com",
"hexbear.net",
"ibbit.at",
"test.hexbear.net",
"www.hexbear.net",
"hilariouschaos.com",
"lemmy.bestiver.se",
"lemmy.blahaj.zone",
"lemmy.dbzer0.com",
"lemmy.doesnotexist.club",
"lemmy.durstig.online",
"lemmy.ml",
"lemmy.razbot.xyz",
"lemmybefree.net",
"lemmygrad.ml",
"lemmyusa.com",
"lemy.lol",
"maga.place",
"multiverse.soulism.net",
"news.abolish.capital",
"nnia.space",
"noauthority.social",
"r.nf",
"realbitcoin.cash",
"redlemmy.com",
"welppp.com"
]
Blahaj and ML? At least he’s an equal opportunity asshole.
Hexbear on there four times.
Oh this is bullshit!
Quokk.au is both trans and anarchist; why are we not on this Nazi’s ban list? I demand the developer include us.
Someone should message them and tell them to do it
If only it was on Codeberg I would submit a PR myself.
No sopuli.xyz? Disappointed.
We're not gay enough. Release the yuri files! Unleash revolutionary socialism! Effect the trans agenda!
Sopuli is pretty tame is comparison, to be fair.
I linked it in the main post
TesserAct Blue
Congrats @hexbear for being #1 on this guy's list.
Looks like the admin is anal enough to sort these alphabetically, so it's actually abolish.capital
He's not anal, he's using AI all over the place and not acknowledging it.
Why do you think so?
Nobody manually arranges things in alphabetical order. It's much more likely an LLM was used, I would have thought.
I ordered things alphabetically before AI because it made it easier for other people to read the list. It's a built-in command in a lot of languages too.
There's a linting rule that does pretty much exactly this.
Nah, that's reaching.
lmfao @ 2k """"Russian disinformation"""" websites and built-in 'Media Bias Factcheck.' What a fucking dork. We're going to start the revolution not to abolish capital, but because we're coming for this dweeb's toothbrush specifically.
I've made it! I'd like to thank all the liberals who made this possible, without you I'd never be a real tankie!
Oh this one of the sublinks people? Lmao these people are so mad that leftists have their own space
Sublinks?
What is that? Is it related to piefed?
No, but it was the anti-tankie "embrace, extend then extinguish lemmy" project before piefed with a more corporate twist. They wanted to rewrite lemmy in java and publish under MIT
It doesn't seem to be working correctly. I can't see any posts or profiles on dbzer0.
I'm not sure what you mean
This is what I saw when I tried to access !share_anime_art@lemmy.dbzer0.com. Now it shows all posts but ones from dbzer0, and it seems like every post is marked NSFW.
I think it works if you search for !share_anime_art@lemmy.dbzer0.com specifically. Not sure about the NSFW and missing posts, but it does come with some opionated user filters which one can disable in user settings
It's back to showing nothing again for me, even with all the filters off.
Check that you're showing read posts
I'm not logged in while viewing the posts. I'm using a private tab on Firefox.
I dunno mate, it's really not worth troubleshooting this anyway
Some of those tankie instances have been pretty aggressive with others, so I can understand that a developer wants to make its project more accessible to normal people by blocking them. Now, do all the instances on this list deserve it? I don't know. Also, it would probably be a better compromise to have this as a visible "safe default" and let admins edit it easily.
It’s very safe to say the only reason one would ban Blahaj is because they’re transphobes.
How do you feel about quokk.au not getting the black mark? Kinda insulting ngl.
Truly horrible. I can't believe a Nazi ignored us.
Not the criteria being used here, obviously.
Also, we have a statement of intent. There is a statement of intent here in a pr. You cannot assume good faith of shit libs. You cannot assume good faith of people who say they're doing things for bad reasons.
I mean you can but its disingenuous and shitty and I'm blocking your instance because its so violently stupid.
Apparently maga.place is super leftist /s
There are a few on there I would say have issues but weirdly the consensus here is that "no of course not these are all fine sites and now why isn't some other site on the list because it's leftist and belongs on the list as a badge of honor!" Kinda seems funny to me that no one noticed the maga site on the list. And you are the only person here to doubt that narrative. No one else considers that maybe this dev had a few bad experiences with some of these sites that maybe otherwise wouldn't be on the list..? I have no knowledge of most of them, but hexbear is about as head-fucked as an instance comes.
Doubtful it's tankies, this looks like it's fascist work.
The dev of Tessaract is obviously a fascist, but oce isn't calling them a tankie, they're agreeing with the fascist that leftist instances should be censored, because "tankies"
The dev of Tessaract is obviously a fascist,
Can you say why you think this? Is it this code?
{
domain: "lemmy.dbzer0.com",
reason: `This instance and its admin staff encourages identity politics, groupthink, mob mentality, and extremist solutions
to societal problems. Users who advocate violence are not moderated so long as the admins agree with the target.
Caution and critical thinking are advised when interacting with this instance or its users.`
},
I don't know if this dev is fascist I have not studied the question. Do you have some other information besides this list? Indeed, I'm not calling the dev a tankie, but rather some of the instances of the blacklist that I know of, as a possible explanation for being blacklisted. I don't know all of them well enough to tell.
Which is ironic given that people here are upset about that mod forcing their political biases onto others.
Basically
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First they came for the communists ---totally cool
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Then they came for my outgroup --- wtf!!
Don't forget that MAGA instance on there
First they came for the MAGA, then they came for the commies /s
Doesn't the software package for running a lemmy instance have a default defederation blacklist that includes some of these same instances? It sounds like they're talking about exactly that - an editable blacklist instead of hiding it as some kind of software error when you go somewhere the admin doesn't want you to. To which I say, Lemmy already has that, it's called defederation or muting an instance yourself.
There's a technical, often legal, aspect to blacklists. Unmanaged and unmoderated instances can be hijacked and be an actual threat with bots and so on.
But there's another aspect, like someone's favorite shitposter got banned for gatekeeping neopronouns, and now the entire Blahaj instance is blacklisted.
The categories are just entirely different orders of magnitude.
There's a difference between not federating with fascists, spam, csam instances by default and not federating with leftist instances because you think it's scary to "normal" users.
