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Lyya Lane
Anti-AIHi. I'm neurodivergent and I love computers. I probably emotionally depend on them a lot besides other interests like art. FOSS and Linux world felt like home. I do not use(as little as possible) any proprietary(or related to AI in any way) software. I feel raw disgust towards those. I feel like all stability in life is gone now that Linus has AI "brainrot". What can I even do? What can others do? "Fork it"? "Rewrite it"? Okay, I'll wait like 35 years. But being serious I feel lost. BSD family doesn't feel like a solution for me. Everything else is experimental at best. I'm certainly not touching Windows or Mac ever again. Should I consider running something like older Debian exclusively to at least "conserve" myself until solution comes up or things change? I almost never post, but I ask you, the digital void, for advice. I don't want to feel this way.
Haiku OS has a no-AI policy.
They're not vibe coding the kernel, did anyone actually read the mail from the LKML?
Why would i read the thoughts of anyone who isn't anti-AI
Linux isn't anti-AI
'Nuff read
There is a big difference between vibe coding or vibe merging PRs and an expert using it as a development tool.
Open source is still much bigger than AI.
There's a lot of visceral backlash against AI and I'm sure you'll find your niche again. I can give you my perspective as a translator. What is happening with AI to IT now has happened with MT (machine translation) to the art and business of translation some decades ago, and I was sure totally killed it two years ago, when I suddenly completely ran out of work. Guess what - translation did not die, however good the shitrobot gets at translating it just can't replace a human. Same with art. I've always been doing art - and the more awful, insipid AI shite I see the more I'm encouraged to just do things by hand again, and I realize there are a lot of people who actually appreciate the handmade stuff and hate AI with a passion!
Tldr: I deeply believe this ship is turning around. A lot of people hate AI.
Where to find a new home? You could try communities like smolweb and permacomputing.
can’t replace a human
Please try not to assume everyone or everymany is human.
Thank you :)
How would you like to see this formulated? Would 'can't replace a person' be a better option?
Though not everyone or everymany likes that, yes, that would be a good alternative. Thank you :)
So you expect them to speak for all non-humans? How are they supposed to know that all non-humans are irreplaceable too?
GPT 1.0 is a non-human which can be replaced by AI on account of being an outdated AI. What is the category/boundary you would have liked them to have used, and how sure are you that no-any from that category could be replaced or would want you to say they could be replaced?
We aren't human and do some translation work sometimes. It is hurtful to not be included in that.
We were asking them nicely, there was no need to attack us like that, though if you were not we apologise. Tone can be difficult to tell in text alone.
All we are suggesting is that beings don't write in a way that suggests everyone or everymany is human.
It really is frustrating having to live in a world where the opposite to AI regurgitated crap is 'human' made allegedly, when we aren't human and lots of others, including coders and creatives, we know aren't either.
Edit: Furthermore how do you expect others to know beings like us exist and want representation and respect too if they aren't made aware of that? We always try to ask nicely, at least the first time, in order to inform.
We also put it in the sidebar, but sadly given the comments and posts we get here sometimes we suspect no vistors read it.
We were asking them nicely, there was no need to attack us like that, though if you were not we apologise. Tone can be difficult to tell in text alone.
I am confronting you becuase I think your chastisement was simply wrong. My questions are honest - I would appreciate it if you would answer them - but if my understanding of diversity of identity is decent, you're asking them to deny the identities of countless beings for the sake of including you in a brief remark, when what they said is perfectly correct and merely doesn't refer to you.
There are beings that self-classify as objects, with exclusive it/its pronouns. There are transhuman beings that want to transition into an existence as software, including ones that want to merge with AI or map themselves onto AI. Are you sure none of them identify as replaceable by AI? Do you exclude them from "everyone and everymany"? Or do you declare their identities less valid than yours because you don't understand or agree?
Sure, I wonder too whether their self could be preserved in such a transfer. But that is, medically speaking, none of our fucking business.
Furthermore how do you expect others to know beings like us exist and want representation and respect too if they aren’t made aware of that?
This implies you can't make people aware except by chastising them, which is ridiculous.
If you just want to inform people (leaving aside for a moment whether what you're informing them of is true), why not respond to their comment with "
can't replace a human
Yeah, and neither can they replace any other being/person/[some other category]!"
The original commenter seemed fine with it, we will take your comment under consideration and ask some of our robot etc friends.
However, we are not going to stop asking for what we and our friends need, if you dislike beings like us existing then you are free to move on.
I thought I was on 'Fuck AI' - I didn't notice that I was in another community. And to be honest I will probably limit my comments to 'Fuck AI' in the future, as navigating newly invented linguistic minefields is too much work for an old bog creature who believes words and labels are overrated anyways.
I would say Debian Stable works for most solutions. Debian has a slow enough update cycle that you can make it last for a while before any big changes happen, and even oldstable still gets security updates and backports. (Not sure about oldoldstable.)
If you want to also stay away from Systemd and its madness, there's always Devuan. There might be a way to even stay with X11 in the face of everyone pushing for Wayland. I used to use BunsenLabs (continuation of CrunchBang) because it uses Openbox on X11 and is otherwise based on Debian stable. Their latest full release was in February.
Linux is, and should be, about having the choice to go for something which fits with your needs. Shopping around is always a good idea when you're faced with weirdness. In my case I always just want something that 'just works', and my mess of a custom configured Debian works for me in that respect.
I'm sincerely hoping the AI madness bubble bursts soon... People need to stop destroying things we all rely on just because they can "vibe code" something together.
"Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should," -- Ian Malcolm (Jeff Goldblum), Jurassic Park (1993)
Debian LTS probably got chu. Not sure wbat else.
::: spoiler This is more freedom oriented and wishful thinking, but Maybe there are dev groups that use strictly open weights only that might make you feel less bad than most AI. :::
Noted. ty
im pretty out of the loop, did he really drink the coolaid? if so that really sucks. i kind of assumed he took the position of "yeah sure use ai tools but the burden of verification is still on the developer and reviewer" or whatever the terms are for their dev process. like using ai tools doesnt absolve anyone of checking their work and not just submitting unreviewed slop and dumping the entire burden on the reviewer. that shit should get you removed from a project. still sucks if hes even dismissively ok with ai tools because theyre fucking garbage and waste more time than they save.
i kind of assumed he took the position of “yeah sure use ai tools but the burden of verification is still on the developer and reviewer
That's exactly his position. But the OP doesn't like that Linus uses LLM as a tool. It's weird because 50 years ago syntax checkers were AI because it was language processing.
literally suck ass
Would you mind rephrasing this as it can read as homophobic, thank you!
sure updated it. how so exactly? i havent heard of that as a homophobic phrasing but i guess i can see it.
It's implying that a sexual etc act some queer beings may engage in is gross.
Thank you for updating it!
did he really drink the coolaid?
Edit: Though the Kool-aid thing was a misidentification, it should be "drank the Flavour Aid"
ugh gross hes using it for code review and finding bugs? thats like asking their review process to be worse.
I mean, shouldn't a bug be patched regardless of who finds it? Some bugs are vulnerabilities, especially if a single AI code review can find dozens of them. If the kernel maintainers don't find them first, then security goes out the door in short order.
lets assume a bug exists, ignoring for the moment the ambiguity in what makes something a bug at all. you want to find the bug but you dont know if it exists or not. you use an ai tool to try and find it and theres a chance it finds it correctly, a chance it doesnt find it, and a chance it finds a bug that doesnt exist. you have no way of knowing it missed something without doing a proper review manually with tests against requirements and stuff, and you need to evaluate each bug it finds to see if its a real bug or not. then you need to decide what to do about it, which could potentially introduce new bugs.
the problem with using ai tools for this is not whether it can find bugs you would have missed. the issue is that people develop an intellectual laziness when they start to rely on these tools. they start to trust them and devote less effort to the activity the tool is replacing. in the case of code review and finding bugs, they might see that the ai says its fine and take the easy path of assuming its right. they might trust that a false bug is real without really thinking about it. worse still they might just apply the bug fixes that the tool recommends.
the insidious thing about software bugs is sometimes they are subtle and you dont figure out they exist until the software interacts with the larger system its embedded in. ai tools might correctly find easy local bugs, but it often struggles with context, which is required to find and fix subtler system level bugs, so some of the fixes for local bugs might create larger system level bugs that a person doing their due diligence and thinking about the software from a system level wouldnt.
i could go on but suffice to say the issues related to ai tools in software are subtle and insidious. its not obvious the ways they fail so developers will see them do what seems like really good work at a local level that ends up being hot garbage at a system level. theres a lot of nuance and the people defending ai for software seem to always be ignoring it, which is concerning.
they start to rely on these tools
The entire history of computer development is based on relying on tools to be lazy!
so some of the fixes for local bugs might create larger system level bugs that a person doing their due diligence and thinking about the software from a system level wouldnt.
If people were perfect, the bug wouldn't have been there to begin with! Yet you expect the person to find an obvious bug that they didn't see but AI did find and also see the subtle bug that AI couldn't see.
We are completely with you in this, it is frustrating and aggravating.
