Young Brits want to rejoin the EU
(www.dw.com)
EuropeI really think that it's time to stop bashing the Brits. Esp. those younger brits. There are many Pro-Europeans who got totally fucked by the older generation. Many of those older Pro-Brexit voters do not have to deal with border controls and bad job prospects, because they are dead. No one who is currently under 28 was even allowed to vote.
So stop the senseless bashing and let's try to work together to bring the UK back.
Not gonna happen anytime soon.
And there is no majority for it in UK when the reality of rejoining is explained.
- Give up the British pound and switch to Euro.
- Pay full price, the old discount membership is not an option.
- Dismantle FPP elections and House of lords which are both utterly undemocratic, and cause political instability.
- Being willing to allow EU to become even tighter (may imply giving up an additional bit of sovereignty) to be able to work with more new member states, and avoid a Hungary situation in the future.
There is a majority in general that is for reentering, but when the above points are stated, support in the general population drops to about 13%!!
It's probably higher among younger people, but without mentioning the above points, no poll on reentering is worth anything, because they are polling a pipedream.
I'm a British voter and I see no deal-breakers.
Good, IMO they shouldn't be. ;)
But to be fair I forgot what for some is the biggest deal breaker, which is the Schengen agreement that allows free travel for EU citizens within EU. Which of course again IMO is another benefit, not a drawback. But propaganda uses it to stir up xenophobia.
As an EU citizen I too don't see any problems in the above points. Getting a better democracy would seem to me to be a HUGE bonus. But sometimes Brits are a bit stubborn, and they want special treatment because they believe in British exceptionalism.
UK always considered itself separate from continental Europe, and somewhat superior to the rest of Europe. Which for decades was true, because UK were first to industrialize, and was immensely wealthy from having colonies and the world reserve currency.
But when that broke down after WW2, UK declined quickly and became a "normal" country. But the mentality never really followed the reality.
At least that's how I understand it.
But maybe the steep drop in support when the points are presented isn't so much because they are against them, as maybe they don't quite understand them, or think UK can get a better deal.
What for instance does it mean to switch from GBP to EUR? That's probably not so clear for everybody.
They really didn't grasp at all the sweetheart deal they had with the EU... other countries would have killed for that.
It reminds me so much of the Americans complaining about their position in NATO and the "world policeman" that they fought tooth and nail to get because of the huge amounts of soft power it grants in negotiations and generally shaping world policy.
The irony of a Republican working to undo that... Kissinger's gotta be able to power a small country with how fast he's spinning. Ultimately, good for the world in the end, but another pretty hilarious example of a nation misinterpreting a boon as an albatross around the neck and shooting themselves in the foot by getting rid of it lol. Rhymes so much with Brexit.
Yes, the privileged tend to think they are somehow entitled to their privileges.
I guess both UK and USA have been fucking around too much, and are in the find out phase now.
Canada will join EU before UK does.
As things are going it is not impossible. But Canada still rely on USA as their most significant trading partner, and EU membership would dramatically complicate that relationship.
EU membership would dramatically complicate that relationship.
Threatening to annex Canada and economically attacking dramatically complicated that relationship.
Absolutely, but USA remains the biggest market for Canada.
Technically speaking, Point 1 isn't guaranteed to be demanded by the EU. Most of the EU agrees that the UK rejoining would be a huge benefit to the EU. Whether that means the EU would agree to waive the monetary union requirement is not a settled question.
Furthermore, even if Brussels DID demand that the UK agree to take the Euro like all new joining members, there are loopholes that allow a member state to agree to that but then never finish the process. Sweden for example.
Nothing is guaranteed, but the official standpoint from EU is that UK will NOT get a special deal. And participation in the Euro is the default.
So UK will technically be obligated to join the Euro.
Sweden came in under other terms back in 1995, much has changed since, and such exceptions will not be likely to be accepted today.
I also don't think that a country and economy as important as the UK would be treated like any member. The UK can probably get some of its favorable treatment back. The only absolute red line seems to be the Three Freedoms.
Oh, and the regulatory and judicial framework, too. That was a huge sticking point during Brexit, when they rejected the May proposal over the ECJ having final say on disputes over Northern Ireland.
If Britain were to return to a pre-Brexit state today, it may look more like what Switzerland has: regulatory alignment and freedom of movement, though outside the increasingly tightly integrated bloc.
Not quite pre-Brexit, because it is not the same as a membership, but I agree that the realistic near future is increased cooperation between UK and EU, and something like Switzerland is a likely model. Which will mean UK will have to follow EU regulation, but will have zero influence on it.
gestures at current UK regulation and political situation
UK politics have been a shitshow as long as I can remember.
Count Binface will sort it out.
Yes, there is hope of that. 😋
There's not even a majority in the current EU for 4, but there will soon be a majority for 1-3, even in the UK.
I think there is agreement that it is necessary, but not on how to accomplish it.
no poll on reentering is worth anything
You may as well have just posted that, to be honest. It doesnt matter what people want.
They poll feelings.
I for one occasionally fantasize about the two Princes getting red pilled or something of the like. And asking the people of Britain if they would join them retaking the country from foolish leadership and influences.
Please, no. The UK held the EU back. They'd had to change their political system first. We don't need them pushing Chat Control and other crap in the EU too.
Look no further than the EU to push chat control by themselves.
Doesn't mean we need to invite another country that's pro total surveillance.
Europe says 'no' 👍
Far from it. From day 1 the EU is happy to have them back
But the UK can absolutely forget about all the special rules and exceptions it has before
The biggest thing would be saying goodbye to the pound
So Europe says NO
That's called a hard no.
Maybe for the British. For the EU is basically what any other applicant has to go through
