Ooh, a bumper sticker of that'd be super fun —but pretty unwise in this gestapi climate. 🤌🏼

I don't own any children.

I think I'd prefer to be evicted by the indigenous ous people William Mulholland fucked out of water for kind of no reason a century ago than blackrock capital. Again.

Why do you assume my white owners aren’t going to do this to me?

And that's my "assumption" (according to you) because...?

It’s totally just a hypothetical.

Even hypotheticals must be based on grounding assumptions... what was yours based on?

I'm glad you brought this up, because it's something I want to make a distinguishment from. I do not want to fetishize or otherwise dehumanize indigenous people. I merely want to acknowledge that every culture has something they do better than anyone else. Us Europeans? We built pan-oceanic boats capable of traversing the Atlantic, Pacific, Indian, and Arctic Oceans. That's absolutely incredible! We are however, dogshit at land management. Hence the constant European desire to colonize more and more of the planet, taking up more and more land to meet the material needs of an aristocratic class that required closely shorn lawns for leisure activities such as polo and croquet.

Meanwhile, I also do not think that indigenous north Americans were perfect. For example, the Cherokee committed a genocide against the Osage, the Inca, Aztek, and Mayans all had theocratic structures that were not great for a large number of people living in their territories, the various peoples of the Americas hunted mega-fauna they encountered to extinction. However, in order for any plan for a hopeful future, we must draw wisdom from many sources. We know this because the current European global hegemony is failing. So we need to start looking for wisdom from other sources. One of the things when we interrogate history is that prior to Europe leveraging military violence to place the global south into a perpetual state of underdevelopment is that the people of the Americas had INCREDIBLE land management strategies that were interwoven with their cultural heritages (food, language, social structures) and agricultural outputs leading to some extremely interesting crops that have become staples worldwide such as corn, potatoes, sunflowers, beans, and tomatoes.

In conclusion: my point is to draw sources from subjugated knowledge

Maybe because the US is an apartheid state and we are absolutely the bad guys

And yeah it wouldn't be very feasible but I can't argue against it morally.

What kind of resource is that, what makes it necessary, and to whom?

Go read a history book.

Hell, even a recent history book will do it. There are a fuckload of examples throughout the world of a functional society having their government either couped or otherwise toppled. Syria is a prime example.

And I know, you're just going to blame external meddling. But news flash, it's impossible to escape external meddling. Even going back to antiquity when a civil war kicked off, the neighboring countries would often meddle, sometimes as an invading army, sometimes by cutting deals to support one side or the other, sometimes secretly both, or more than both if it was a truly messy war.

That wasn't clean, or successful, as much as I wish it had been.

Nestor Makhno is a personal hero, he was building a new State in an area where the previous State had been ripped away. He was ultimately unsuccessful, mostly due to the fact that he was a single faction fighting for control in a messy civil war. In the end, the totalitarian dictator won, and people like Nestor Makhno are either exiled or executed by the new State.

After siding with the Bolsheviks during the Ukrainian–Soviet War, the Makhnovists were driven underground by the Austro-German invasion and waged guerrilla warfare against the Central Powers throughout 1918. After the insurgent victory at the Battle of Dibrivka, the Makhnovshchina came to control much of Katerynoslav province and set about constructing anarchist-communist institutions. [...]

Surrounded on all sides by different enemies, the Makhnovist line in the battle for the Donbas eventually fell to the advancing White movement in June 1919. The Makhnovists were subsequently driven into a retreat to Kherson, where they reorganised their military and led a successful counteroffensive against the Whites at the Battle of Peregonovka. With the White advance defeated, the Makhnovists came to control most of southern and eastern Ukraine in late 1919, even taking over a number of large industrial cities, despite being a predominantly peasant movement.

Yeah, nobody who aligned with the Bolsheviks gets to claim nonviolence or peaceful takeover of the state.

If the people have a voice, then there's a path forward.

I don't know why that's so hard to understand, but then again. I've seen what the fascists have done to the education systems of the world.

A war of succession is a civil war.

Go read the war of the roses. Hell, read up on the Russian Civil War that Lenin started.

Or the Chinese Civil war.

Or read up on what's happened in any country that's had its government couped or toppled.

As I said, a history book, any one of them will do if they don't gloss over shit that the Party doesn't like.

As for destroying the State, every civil war does that, it's the first thing to happen, the war is what happens next.

No. Just that if one's intent is to escape systems all together it's not possible. Similarly if one wants to destroy a system just because it is a system that itself is a system and the ultimate outcome is another system. Maybe a third one that I didn't bring up is whether or not the new system is actually better than the old one won't be known until there is proof, until then it's just on faith that it will be better which is fine.

Actually, centralization of management creates a lot of benefits in communication flow, resource allocation and operating efficiency. Lack of centralization results in confusion and task duplication.

OK. How is this society organized?

Yeah but how do we encourage people to do work that's needed that they do not want to do? Also how do we actually mitigate corruption aka people perpetually gaming the system for their personal benefit and paying off anyone intended to stop corruption. Like socialism alone doesn't really directly solve either of those problems. It also doesn't directly solve supply and demand.

Like I'm all for creative solutions but socialism as it is isn't an ultimate philosophy about how to mitigate and manage humans irl. To be fair absolutely no one has solved these problems so far like ever. It's the P=NP of humanity.