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MemesThe fundamental difference is that when you buy those formats, you are getting a final product. Nobody is stopping your disc in the middle, to ask if you want to download the special remix of this song, or a deleted scene.
Video games are now constantly upselling, and they can't do that if the consumer is isolated on their PC.
well, music and movies do not weight several hundred GB of data... but that's also modern games problem.
As a person working in gamdev - they ABSOLUTELY can optimise - people just doesn't care nowaday.
I’m guessing the PS6 will jailbroken rather quickly
well ig games still being on CDS today are either for Console or is still small enough to fit.
Yes, there's a reason, and the reason is "lin mus go up"
They should have moved to USB keys a long time ago. Make them big and call them cartridges if you want, but optical discs are far too slow.
And loud. And fragile.
Thumbdrives have a firmware, you could easily make them read-only. And also add your inconvenient DRM snake oil, if you will.
But no, cloud promises more $$$ through lock-in.
Can you imagine if video game prices were affected by the memory shortages?
But is this not how switch1 games were, just read only sdcards with the game on them.
Nintendo loves a cartridge, and goddamnit sticking with them was right.
Devils advocate here.
I/O and storage in those media formats are kinda limited for video games.
Blue-Ray prob has enough storage (at most we could go for multiple disk releases) capacity but still you would have to copy the games to disk.
I think GOG is on right track on this DRM free keep on disk as long as you want no need to check with external servers to play them.
I see no problem with multiple discs tbh, also, we forget that thumbdrivers, sd cards, SSDs etc etc exist...
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I see a whole lot of theoretical "what if platforms did this or that," when GoG is already doing it right. That's the way.
as long as i get an unlocked version of the files, im happy, but if i don't, to the great seas i go, tho i still buy. i just have a 'backup' in case anything happens.
Fuck optical media.
Why? What storage do you think works better?
Solid state cartridges.
They want games on vinyl, or maybe 8-tracks. Maybe metal cylinders. Jk it's probably cartridges (hopefully).
Sony thinking they can just pull a Steam way too late in the game, and with Steam and GOG as competitors 😂
Well, consoles are a pretty closed enviroment. There is no piracy as there is on PC, if still some.
That's a point against Sony, specifically being a closed system. Having to buy games on Sony's store requires getting a PS5/6 in the first place, but why get one when PCs are open, and usable if Valve goes rogue too?
Honestly, when I wrote it I was thinking "Sony doesn't have to compete against relatively easy piracy like Steam and GOG do". I don't even remember what my actual point was, but I think it was precisely against Sony as in "there is no easy alternative if Sony goes rogue, your PS OS belongs to them, so they have not such incentive to make things good, therefore the risk is higher" or something like that lol.
There is a lot of piracy for consoles. It's just a matter of time.
Piracy for consoles isn’t like it was in the Xbox 360 and earlier days (excluding Nintendo although they seem to have finally gotten their shit together with switch 2 in this regard). Security for consoles was a joke back then and easily defeated with hardware mods, sometime within weeks of release. Now the focus is more on soft modding and even then it can take ages, if ever.
The ps5 is technically jailbreakable but only in an extremely narrow and unlikely set of circumstances (eg did you buy a ps5 several years ago and never connect it to the internet awaiting a hack that may never come?). And even that took years to release. A far cry from the days of 10 different ps2 modchips and softmods for you Xbox, both available relatively quickly with a super active scene supporting them
Aren't they usually "pirate and you will you lose any right to ask for help with your console, anywhere, ever again"?
You can get banned from connecting your console to their services if you’re caught using pirated games, or you’ve tampered with the system. There’s ways around it though, and some people don’t care if they’re locked out of services as long as the system still plays the pirated software.
You can buy games DRM free on GOG and burn them onto a disk yourself. Or multiple ones, if needed
Yes there is a very simple reason which is massively anti-consumer. Every product competes with it's own predecessor. Physical products will sooner or later break, movies will sooner or later get boring, same goes for music. But video games are different. People are still playing Tetris and Super Mario 64. You release one good game and the next one has to be better otherwise people will just continue to play the previous one instead of buying the new one. Publishers try to control this aspect. They dont want you to own games only have a license to play. It's not even a question of "if" they going to take away your older games, but "when". They want to restrict access to the previous product so you will have to buy the new one. They want full control. Look at Call of Duty. All but, the newest titles are barely playable, and that is done by design.
That's also why im a patient gamer, like i really dont care if i cant play the newest games, i could have only played chess my whole life and been happy. So sometimes i wait five years to play a game because it was really expensive at release DRM whatever. Who cares, im still playing games from the 1990s once in a while, ill be fine not paying $80 for the new AAA games on release.
Game companies realized their mistakes in making some fun games in the past, and now are trying to make sure nobody can play them.
I also listen to The Doors and watch the dollar trilogy once in a while - music and movies can be timeless too!
Yeah, good music and movies are evergreen. And every so often, some of the old hits get mega popular among new/younger audiences from being randomly featured in a new show
I don't disagree with that but I suspect you don't have 1000s of hours of watching the same movie.
Some albums for sure though
Fair enough, although I don't have thousands of play time on most games either.
And if you can't top the old game, remaster/remake it is!
There's aso no reason the physical copy can't demand to get a validation token from Corporate Server every time it's played
Yep, DRM is the problem, not the distribution format.
“Please drink verification can”
key codes that get tied to a non-transferable online account have also been a thing for years.
key codes that get tied to a non-transferable online account have also been a thing for ~~years.~~ decades.
Or digital downloads without the killswitch (DRM)
Check GOG
Exactly
Sony has always screwed consumers. No idea why anyone buys their products anyway
Remember when Universal Media Discs were not universal and only worked on PSP?
I remember when I got a PSP in middle school, I thought everything was going to start using UMDs eventually since they were "universal".
Everything about the PSP looked so high tech because it could display graphics close to PS2 quality, played tiny disks, had a wide screen, and somehow fit 32 whole megabites on a little memory card.
I mean, not always. They mostly did away with bullshit proprietary connectors, did away with their proprietary flash memory cards, and didn't form a walled garden as putrid as that of Apple.
That being said, nothing is the same anymore. Digital everything will take over, because it's just cheaper to not burn disks.
They installed those rootkits out of the goodness of their hearts, dammit, they cared about us the whole time and we never showed our appreciation and now look where it got us
Uuuhm, not quite. The Playstation ecosystem absolutely is a walled garden. Their proprietary flash memory cards aren't a thing anymore because they failed to win against more open standards (SD, microSD) and it would've been super expensive to stick with it on their own for no good reason.
I already have more games than I could ever finish in a lifetime — in 10 lifetimes — and they’re all digital, in big folders full of files. If I had those thousands of games in physical form I’d need a library in my house full of shelves to store them all, yet digitally I can carry them all around in my pocket!
Also the same reason im never getting pressured into buying a game that's too expensive or just plain DRM ridden.
Exactly. I absolutely agree with OP that robbing people of the choice to own physical media sucks...
But when not paired with shitty-ass DRM, digital format media can be an absolute boon for games preservation. Easy to backup, takes up barely any physical space, and doesn't require physical hardware to play it that will become increasingly sparce and expensive over time.
If the industry doesn't want to provide legal pathways towards games preservation, then it looks like the pirates are going to start wearing archavist hats too.
This is the correct take. The option should be there for everyone. Lots of folks here are with you, where the practicality of DRM-free digital format media is more important. To people like me, collecting physical media is a hobby itself. I probably spend more time shopping for records and equipment than listening to them, for example, though of course I do listen to them as well. I used to be the same with games, which is why I have a ton of OG Xbox and 360 discs, and for movies I have a bunch of blu-rays and DVDs. Yeah, it’s hard to find space for it all but that challenge is part of the fun, at least for me. Plus it can work as interior decor too. And I know I’m not alone, CD sales are the highest they’ve been in over 20 years, and I’m sure other formats are similar. But again, having the choice for DRM-free digital is also important. Taking away our choice is bad for us all.
Control and greed are reasons!
it’s about consolidation, control and the ability to control dynamic pricing
Dynamic pricing is basically enshittification of the modern internet age capitalism as a whole.
Time to go back to barter
especially since the relative cost of drives compared to GPU, SSD and RAM is falling fast. It's probably the cheapest of them already.
ootl?
Sony recently announced they'll stop making discs for Playstations in 2028.
Shitty copy pasta with AI-generated picture that forgets that software is patched all the time compared to movies and music.
I hate streaming more than anyone, but that sloppy comparison sucks.
Fun fact: you can just make the games download the patches later on your computer or use a storage device that is RW and write the patched game on the storage the device the game is shipped on
It's not an AI-generared picture.
A) If you think this is AI generated and are not just making a rage-baiting pun reference, you're a silly billy wittle buddy who needs to be given a raspberry.
B) Games used to not need patching. Even games that were patched later had an on-disc version you could always install and play. And games were in fact better for it. A game going gold meant something, now it's just a release day with a 0 day patch to be even slightly functional.
That's the girl from Pragmata isn't it? Doesn't scream AI to me
It is! I oddly enough just finished playing thru this scene just a few minutes ago, came in here and was like, huhwhat?!? Diana made a drawing for you and is showing to you for the first time in this scene in the game.
Well, I mean, technically,....
Remember the console days before the Internet grew up? No downloads. No Patches. The games just worked.
Games used to be much more simple too, and easier to test and fix.
Until you got to the sky canyon in twilight princess and the glitch made you start over because there was no way to patch offline games
Games back then had bugs, too, they just never got fixed and everyone pretended they didn't exist.
They were also released in a fully playable state. The game worked out of the box, or that would be the end of a game studio, or at least that game.
This has never been true. Daggerfall and Morrowind, for example, were huge successes for Bethesda despite players falling through the floor into an infinite void several times a day. There are countless other examples of horribly buggy games.
Before home internet, PC games magazine cover disks (they did 💾 type for years before CDs) were my main channel of getting very welcome patches.
And if they didn't just work, they never got fixed.
Therefore people only played and remembered the ones that did. Not much actually changed, we just have more games and more exposure now.
There were lots of games that had multiple release revisions that fixed bugs. Gran Turismo 2's original versions couldn't be completed 100% due to a glitch, a reprint ended up fixing it. If you bought the game on launch, you were stuck with that copy.
This is also why if you go looking for ROMs, you'll see some games have multiple versions with some differences.
There were also lots of games that were released in buggy, unfinished states. They just don't get remembered but anyone who grew up gaming in the 90s and early 2000s probably remembers getting some garbage bargain bin games from relatives at Christmas that were complete disasters. The Fifth Element game, for example.
I hate AI and all that shit, but I have heard a lot of horror stories from developers who worked on "retro" gaming systems (from the Megadrive/Genesis to the Jaguar). I admire them for all the work they did because it was hard to code, but there are a fuckton of bugs that were sold during the good old days, and no one noticed what was happening because those bugs were never found.
If you hate using things with massive exploitable bugs while we share a polite fiction that they work as intended, you're gonna hate civilization.
Not only that, but developers back then had to be really deliberate with their decisions due to the tiny size on the media and ram.
They often need updates from online sources, so what's the point
Fuck valve. Oh I forgot they get a pass.
Don't expect G*mers to be consistent in their opinions.
Even when Steam delists games, you still have access to it, even after twenty years.
The content you bought? Sony removed your access after a few years.
Can I sell it?
You can't do this with electronic DRM free copies either.
Oh yeah let's just hate on every store front ever even if they haven't really done something wrong!
If we're not going to reward good behaviour, what are we doing here?? Valve might as well go to shit and fuck everyone for a little more profit if everybody's going to shit on them anyway just for existing.
You have been able to buy steam games on discs but it's up to the publisher to produce those, not valve
Lol exactly! "The good billionaire", hypocrites.. I wish people were so determined to protest about healthcare and where their tax money goes.. But mess with their pacifying reality escapism media and they're all pumped.. Not a single word about the environment and microplastics.. I wish this was a psyop of some kind but I guess people are just really dumb.
Yes they do, because they actually take the care to craft a genuinely awesome user experience. Unlike, I dont know, what seems like literally every other company nowadays
Cope. Can I sell if? Then I don't own it.
No but you can share it with your family or friends for free via the sharing program, which is functionally like sharing the disc around
Sounds like a bitch ass excuse.
Y'all simping for corps.
Sony has a sharing program as well, I'm not sure what your point is.
Sont literally removed media from people's account... The only time valve has done anything similar is when working with the FBI to remove malware from their store, and even then I don't know if they removed the access to the game from users accounts.
If Sony was selling a backlog going back to 1980 at deep discount with no monthly fees and DRM-free at the seller's discretion, they would get less flak.
I just wander what would be like Steam with Valve bandcamp style physical merch selection. haven't cheched but atleast itch.io wont forbid to put link to their physical merch store?
Gam*rs when their vidya isn’t creating an ocean’s worth of plastic waste.
Gam*rs when the companies keep running servers for DRM checks and digital stores
G*mers after killing physical brick and mortar stores by buying digital only for decades.
Excuse me, but still? not 8 mm, VHS, or DVD? People existed before the year 2000.
Fucking millennials
Oh man, I can't wait to pick up a copy of Project Hail Mary on VHS. I'm sure that will be widely available and easy to purchase
I mean, vinyl and cassettes for music are still made, sure, but they are usually limited run collectors items; not something you can just buy everywhere for every album that gets released. Even new CDs aren't exactly easy to come by.
The only time I see BluRays or DVDs anymore of movies I have actually heard of, is at a thrift store.
Is a bit wild how they remembered to put down vinyls and even cassettes, but forgot DVDs and VHS tapes which are very arguably bigger household names than Blu-ray.
Also, literally all millenials were born before 2000. And many of them (myself included) grew up with VHS and DVD.
See how they bury me
Blu-Ray is pertinent here because it is a Sony product
But they could have mentioned other formats too - would it have made the argument any better? Absolutely not, but sure, go ahead and yell at clouds
So were CDs and VHS
Jvc made vhs but go off
Sony backed Betamax. They lost that round.
