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Yeah I don’t know what OP is, but it’s well suspicious that they start more threads than they actually comment in, and post baffling captions like this. Can’t decide between bot or just a teenage edgelord

How about this $300 billion "please stop humiliating me Iran" fund?

Amusing a 3-bedroom house, at average home prices in major cities(Seattle, Portland, Los Angeles, et cetera), something like 2.5 thousand houses housing 7.25 thousand people.

Wouldn't actually help to build them though, since we already have enough housing. A good portion of homeless are mentally ill, on hard drugs, previously trafficked or governmentally shafted people, or just too poor. The houses are there, there are literally whole sky-scraper apartments in New York that are empty. Whole urban sprawls that have been empty for years now.

We aren't like Japan here in the US where just making the houses depreciate instead of appreciate will fix the problem. Its like 3 much bigger problems wearing the trench-coat of one problem.

There aren't enough houses where people want to live. There are plenty of dirt cheap houses in rural nowhere with no jobs within a four hour drive. There are plenty of empty second homes in developments with no access to any public transit or services that would be unlivable to poor people even if we gave them the houses for free. There are few enough empty units in New York and the like that the owners reasonably believe they can, with patience and strategy, rent them out or sell for a profit.

A significant chunk of homeless people, the "chronically homeless", have the challenges you referenced and are difficult to support into stable housing. But the majority of homeless people, the "transiently homeless", are just poor and had one too many hard knocks to be able to hold onto their housing unit. With the high cost of housing - driven by unit shortage where they live - being one of those knocks.

This leftist versus liberal shit really needs to stop. I’m starting to think that it’s intentional propaganda to try to keep the left divided.

Liberalism isn't left-wing. Well, maybe a little anti-king, but not enough to actually depose of them, so practically a little right-wing as well.

It's not comparable to Communism/Socialism/AnachoCommunism/etc, which is (IMO) "proper" left-wing.

I'm a left-winger in so far that I want to get rid of our king. Kings come from Christendom, and Christianity is cringe. I'm a Tribalist, not a Communist, mind you.

Liberals aren't on the left. The left and liberals have always been divided because we have completely different, irreconciliable goals

Suck as fucking sharks?

Except liberals supporting capitalism and imperialism aren't worth working with outside of single issue campaigns temporarily.

I mean, i am willing to work with libs as long as our goals are aligned. But if they glaze a war criminal I will call them out

Our goals are aligned. The only difference as far as I can tell is that some leftists think they are part of a special club and act a lot like magats.

Some liberals are just misinformed leftists who could be turned with education. Some are just right wingers who are embarrassed by open right wingers.

We can work with the former, not so much the latter.

The problem is it takes a while to figure out which is which.

This,

most liberals are just hatchling leftists

It's really interesting. The rhetoric of liberalism is like 80-90% just leftism. Freedom, democracy, equality, justice, treating people kindly, etc. They straight up teach it to you in schools. The seeds are there. The problem is that it lacks class analysis and hides or twists the ways in which liberalism doesn't actually do any of that stuff. So people end up believing that the countries which actively stand in the way of these principles are actually the ones upholding them. It takes a lot of evidence to show people that the bad things we've done aren't just isolated incidents, but part of a pattern that naturally arises from the system.

The problem is not taking the time to figure it out is letting conservatives win.

100% agree. It's still something we need to at least try, it's just hard and understandable why it can frustrate people.

and liberals want capitalism and imperialism to continue so no not aligned.

How are the goals aligned if you're willing to glaze war criminals?

Liberals are objectively maga-lite unlike the way you're trying to frame it. They were very well cheering for genocide-lite so they could keep their status quo.

Liberals have made it abundantly clear they are more close to the right than the center.

The vanguard has always been thus.

You have the problem with them. Let it go.

Its not propaganda. It's 300 years of human history. 300 years of liberals murdering leftits.

Could you drop a few examples?

Of liberals murdering leftists? How far back do you want me to go? Gracchus Babeuf? Adolphe Thiers? 1846? How about the school of the Americas?

lets say 300 years or so

Yes.

The thing is they built this place on top of a park that already existed. Basically 90% of the people on the south side hate this building because it was forced on them and it adds nothing new to their part of town except gentrification.

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2026/jun/02/klingon-prison-barack-obamas-presidential-library-chicago

Narcissism...

which one is the liberal and which one is the leftist?

It doesn’t matter. The point is infighting

My suspicion is that it’s not even that originally; there’s a certain type of right-winger who feigns to champion progressive values to try making the left look like hypocrites.

its not infighting when we have vastly contradicting means and ends.

There is no infighting when there is no actual in-group.

We have plenty of houses for the homeless. This is the worst part of the whole issue. We choose to keep people homeless even if there is plenty of housing. I believe there are 28 empty houses/homes for every homeless person.

Of course some people would argue that there isn't always enough empty houses in the area where homeless are. This is true, also some homeless people are so bad off they couldn't live in a house/apartment without some extra support. This is also true.

Regardless we can house most of the homeless but we actively choose not to. That is why I support housing first as the only proven way to tackle this issue.

https://nlihc.org/sites/default/files/Housing-First-Evidence.pdf

Of course some people would argue that there isn’t always enough empty houses in the area where homeless are.

This is also because many places that have empty homes are really dangerous for and discriminatory against unhoused folks. So they are more likely to move to / survive in / stay at places where they have an easier time surviving because at least some shelter/social services exists, the locals aren't as murderous, the local cops aren't sweeping camps as often, things like giving food out for free isnt illegalized and because they can stay under the radar in the more anonymous big city.

given all that is going on this is a minor thing, but the fuck is going on with Americans building temples and monuments to functionaries?

Yhea, in theory they are libraries and open for the community, but in reality, they are temples commemorating war criminals

They think they’re Roman.

Here, if you're really interested. Their main purpose is to give the public access to their records and papers so they can't just hide them in a bathroom

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_library_system

I like Obama, but honestly I am not wild about this. Presidential libraries don't need to be opulent monuments. And the amount of private money going into them is an avenue for corruption.

Cant they just upload them on a website?

Yes, and in this case they actually did. The Barack Obama Presidential Library is a fully online library. The center is a separate monument.

Of all the things to complain about, the Obama Presidential Library, which is a public amenity designed to be utilized by the underserved community on the south side of Chicago, is really fucking low on the list.

For the "underserved" of the south side yet built on an already existing public park...

OP is also applying divisive politial labels to an image that is for the most part apolitical.

apolitical

Obama presidential library

???

an image that is for the most part apolitical

I'm surprised the image is political at all

🤫“architecture”

Libraries, public/private capital, public space, access to housing, presidential legacies are absolutely political topics.

divisive

agree an that part tho

Designed to gentrify an under-served community. You think they'll be able to afford rent next to the Obama temple?

wait until they ask how many people they can house with the money they spent on the war. or by taxing billionaires.

we have the resources for everyone to live a comfortable life. but the people in power want workers. and they artificially create scarcity to motivate workers...

Testament to how private wealth isn't helping the homeless either.

Libraries can help the homeless by providing access to resources they don't get elsewhere. Email, internet, entertainment, water, bathrooms etc. The park is also a nice addition for everyone I assume.

It's a lot more of a positive investment than missiles and AI at least

The homeless have problems, but I'm not sure they represent the highest and greatest need for humanity to focus on.

Trump has gold idols of himself...

Fuck trump too

Another pointless post to try to get everyone hating one another. Rather than concentrating on those most worthy of being hated.

I like how Obama prosecuted Abu grabe torture whistleblowers under the espionage act that was awesome

Let's spend all our effort stopping Obama from building something that helps working class people. You .ml losers spend way more time and energy trying to stop good but not perfect things than you do during to stop actual fascists. It really makes you wonder what your agenda really is.

I remember when Real-ID was being proposed. I was dead set against and volunteered with groups calling voters, going door to door etc.

One day some Mormons came knocking and before I could speak they specifically pitched that the Government was about to institute the Mark of the Beast.

I was elated; I had the governor's feedback phone number on speed dial and asked them to take 30 seconds and leave him a voicemail saying "don't do that"

They flatly refused, because they "don't get involved in Earthly politics"

To told them to get the fuck off my property

Sounds about right lol

Yeah, and now trying to paint himself a man of taste and knowledge, spirited mind bullshit.

What if an erudite good person is a poor President specically in terms of managing foreign adversaries?

$850mil is like... five houses. So I think this was a better usage of money.

How much could a banana cost

This gotta be a joke right?

It's pretty clearly a joke about the highly inflated housing costs. Sorry my humor is too high brow for you (*ᴗ͈ˬᴗ͈)ꕤ*.゚

Sorry, am not good at reading others :<

You're forgiven because it felt cathartic acting like a 2014 toxic tumblr user for a moment.

Even one house would have been better than a monument to the guy who drone striked children

....you're joking right?

The only right reply to stuff like this (if you feel like replying at all) is: Fuck Obama (unless you like Obama).

Do you even care about Obama? Then don't waste time trying to defend him, even if it's just to explain the other person's ignorance about the subject, because regardless of whether you are just trying to elucidate and not defend Obama, what you are actually doing is picking a side in a narrative they are controlling and being a fucking pawn. That's how they got people from the left defending Twitter when it was banning alt-right leaders because it's a private company and can do whatever it wants with their platform, Disney for firing that actress from Star Wars, and fighting for the right of the green M&M to wear shoes instead of high boots... just because conservatives are whining about something, it doesn't mean you have to argue against it, even if you think they are being stupid, don't let them pick your fights.

I'm actually curious about the answer. Some back of the napkin math (aka take it with a grain of salt), it looks like ~100,000 could be housed in a rapid rehousing / temporary housing structure or ~40,000 in permanent supportive housing but the number is super variable based on location. Like are we talking housing them in NY, LA, SF or like rural West Virginia, Mississippi, Oklahoma? Also if one were to buy out whole homes for like $400,000 to give to the individual homeless then it's like 2,125 people, although I doubt anyone is suggesting that. Irl probably 10,000 to 20,000 after a large sum of the money has leaked out due to overcharging and corruption.

Based on this article, I would make similar estimations. With the caveat that its the cost of providing housing for 1 year, not forever.

Well it's not like the structure evaporates after a year but yeah a participant would only get about a year.

Yes and many times a year can be more than enough for a person / household to get the medical / social help they need or its just the right starting point to be able to support themselves. I mainly wanted to add more information and not really take away from your comment

I'm reminded of when Andrew Carnegie built libraries but his miners mocked him for it because they didn't have time or energy to read and said higher wages would benefit them instead, and he mocked them for demanding higher wages saying they'd waste it on better cuts of meat or more drink for their dinner

Anyone else see an emo face?

Looks more like a Borg face...

Will never unsee

the keen eyed amongst us may be able to discern that none of the things listed is "housing"

It's a library right? They can still go and live there.

i don't think it is a library where you check out books, it is a "reading room" where you can only read the Obama books while on site

Pretty sure they would just be forcefully removed by the cops if they tried that

Not if you hide cleverly among the stacks

You have to wear book camouflage, obviously.

Any pretenses that it will have spaces open to non-paying public will probably disappear after opening as that was a necessary, but as far as I know not legally binding, concession to mollify the community that was extremely angry over a beloved public park being privatized to pave over for this and its parking lot. Also, it is a library in name only. Several people involved have leaked that the only books it will contain are the ones written by Obama and some of his staffers, for sale. The usual nominal public use, that the presidential library will house all the records and archives of the administration for historians and public research is going to supposedly be fulfilled by an online site with digitized documents.

Wow, I was just making a silly joke, but it seems like they've even prevented that.

Thanks, Obama

Here's a silly joke: Become homeless for a year, then come back and tell us whether you'd prefer the money have been spent on affordable housing, or the Zardoz archive.

I don't get it, but I do know you can't just spend other people's money on stuff they don't want, otherwise we'd have solved all housing problems by now.

Whats not to get?

Do you... not understand the concept of homelessness?

It's like, where do you keep your cars?

Try it yourself, tell us how that works out.

Ok, I think I'll take the room on the upper left since that seems to have the only window

Serious question:

Are you 12?

I wish!

Not through the night, and chances are if the staff think you're a homeless person trying to find a place to stay they'll call the cops to remove you

????

yep, private funds mean nothing, there is no moral good in having money and paying things, it is a moral bad because it rallies labour of people who owe you nothing to your own will. All of those so called ( libraries are good but this is the creators personal controlled environment, and it is not good for housing obviously) facilities are shitty ideas of useless people, material in useless shapes, wasted labour and now defended from free usage by a violent state.

Yeah the waste is the labour not the money directly. I think the labour has to be the focus, we can talk about how much the billionaires can do with that money, but its the labour that we need to worry about and its self control.

Welp, looks like this post attracted some liberals

I work towards anarchism, i dont understand

Wdym? what do you not understand?

lol where do you live and what do you do for a living

like how do you feed yourself

Please a least give the grace of understanding that the critique was faced at building funders not grocery purchasers.

Is this projection on your part :D?

Im a student right now, but otherwise, the normal story, what do you imply?

nothing you’re not picking up

hope you were born rich

Why would you hope that as I presume you desire egalitarianism?

I am actually not picking up your nothingnesses, please genuinely explain

nope don’t care

go rejuvinate in your obama temple

lmao imagine caring about 850mil with even marginal benefits to society in 2026 America

i’m sure you’re this critical with all current government expenditure much less private investment

totally has nothing to do with obamas name lololol

Some people just spend way to much time online and fully disconect from reality to the point where they make up some wild ass bullshit.

apparently enough agree with him to be downvoting me so he’s not alone lol

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