no rule infuriates me more
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TotallynotJessica
196Eh.
It’s in the same ballpark as “my buddy said this while we were high” or “my uncle posted this on Facebook” or “I saw this YouTube video…”
It turns out people, on average, have horrible information hygiene and little incentive to consider this. ChatGPT just made Facebook Uncle Facts more personalized and accessible, unfortunately.
"I googled"
Anything that isn't on the first page of google might as well be lost to time.
People on Lemmy also have horrid information hygiene that's just as bad even though a lot of people like to pretend that they're better than everyone.
Agreed, 100%.
What's worse, few seem to care when a made-up post is pointed out.
I can barely use the internet anymore. I have to filter by date to get results from before 2024. Otherwise all the results are obvious AI trash.
When I tried to look up information about storing film negatives. Pretty obscure niche topic these days. The top pre-2024 result was from a well respected national archive, good informative page written by experts in the field.
By contrast, the current day results were an endless sea of random websites who all by sheer coincidence decided to start writing about film archival in the year 2025.
I had an Uber passenger that straight up said,"well I asked grok about restaurants around here..."
Like no infuriation, as much as pity.
It generally means the person made no effort and information should be taken with a grain of salt. Like "a quick Google".
strange hyper-focus of anger here, i feel.
i can think of plenty of more upsetting phrases, many to do with ongoing genocides. idk, i guess im just tired of people virtue signalling about their "unmatched" hatred for a new tech.
by now, saying "i did a search" and actually having done a search and found stuff AND shared the link feels like a "good skill to have" again.
my brother (14 y/ooooo sooooooo skibidi) uses mister gpt for all web searching which sucks big time. whenever he does use a real life search engine, hes surprised by the amount of stuff he finds by now.
EDIT: fixed some typos...
It would be a "good skill to have" if they haven't actively been making search engines worse, so they can make AI look better.
How the fuck could AskJeeves from 20 years ago work better than search engines of today?
It’s not just them, it’s the SEO spam gaming the system.
AskJeeves would be utterly horrendous today because the web of its time is no longer feasible.
And who is the center cog of this ad-driven SEO apocalypse? Who runs basically all web advertising?
Well… Google, of course.
i believe search engines have been degrading prior to the LMs but might be misremembering...
No, I agree. One indicative moment was when Google stopped showing the "X million results found" and the results ended after 10-15 pages even when the keywords should have millions of results. This was noticed back in 2021.
I tried looking up the decline but....
Off topic: If said in french "ChatGPT" translates back to "Cat, I farted" - you're welcome
"I ask ChatGPT" is the "I consulted the Oracle of Delphi" of our time.
yesss its a weird usecase. its easy to think ur getting so much out of it while theres actually rather little to gain.
~(okay~ ~fine~ ~yes~ ~im~ ~just~ ~commenting~ ~on~ ~this~ ~post~ ~cuz~ ~its~ ~got~ ~more~ ~likes~ ~than~ ~mine...~ ~and~ ~its~ ~a~ ~screenshot!~ ~>o<~ ~grrrrr-~ ~)~
if u ask mister gpt or daddy claudius for a web search thing, you lose out on the actual sources. Which sucks cuz they are right there in the LMs context, but u dont get to see it. u dont get to see the sources.
this requires a mockup. imma be back in a few hours or so and post a mockup on Qwen community and then link it here. So here u go: have this pointless indicator showing that im working on something, maybe:
👩🍳 Cooked for 1 hour and 20 minutes
okay i cooked. 🍳
the post is here and if u dont care to open a link but do care to click a dropdown, here is the mockup:
::: spoiler mockup i made :::
the idea is that the LM highlights the actual sources by writing special syntax which shows up in the UI as the sources themselves. Here an example.
The LM writes:
Here is that part of the script:
<show>
<path="res://script.gd">
<from_line=7>
<to_line=7>
</show>
This gets parsed and shows up as this:
Here is that part of the script:
var whatever: String = "the content of this file is"
soooo... it doesn't regurgitate, but highlights the actual sources. The example is about code but this is easily extended to regular web search. its just text so... its the same thing.
sigh i spend too much time on lemmy.
EDIT: i moved the post from qwen community (which is on blahaj zone) to FOSAI which is not on blahaj zone cuz i feel this stuf doesnt belong here.
Love the mockup and effort :D
if u ask mister gpt … for a web search thing … u dont get to see the sources.
Just tried the free ChatGPT (.com) and it linked me to Carfax on a Toyota pricing question. Have also seen Claude’s web UI cite sources (as of a couple weeks ago). Maybe the latest slopmachines are citing more than when you tried?
yea it puts some little "source" buttons but then u gotta find the exact text the LM mentioned.
soooo it would be Nixe to show the exact parts of the text that matter.
the LMs do cite, but they just link to the entire site instead of... only the exact content u care about, if that makes sense.
What you’re looking for, that’s one of the best uses of LLMs. No need to regurgitate anything, just be an amazing search that highlights relevant segments of original documents. Something that’s hard to even hate (“I only want to be able to find exact query match results!” is a request we don’t hear).
Instead we’re headed for Google Zero I hear
fair, but I would like to see the actual source instead of getting the entire page link as a source.
its like saying "its in this chapter" instead of pointing on the page i think. the first one is helpful but may be false, the second one is immediately verifiable and... very helpful.
Ugh. I once heard someone say "I did a chat" as slang for "asking ChatGPT". It was a software vendor on a call regarding compatibility with our existing systems. We had concerns it wasn't. They insisted it was, because they "did a chat" and ChatGPT said it was.
It wasn't.
I vibe questioned, and got vibe answered 🌟
Don't ask chatgpt, I can tell you bullshit too and I'm beautiful
Dig this energy. Shine on.
This is one of those things where you can be unhappy about it but also you've already lost this battle and you're just going to look like fools in the future
Like when we see old news footage and newspaper articles from people who claimed Nintendo wouldn't last longer than the early 80s Christmas season and that the Internet is a fad
AI is here and it's not going away
Yeah, just like Betamax, HD-DVD, The Virtual Boy, Zune, Theranos, Viox, and Google Glass. Every technological innovation is always good, especially when they are force feeding them to you, LLMs are too big to fail spectacularly! It’s not an entirely pointless way for idiots to make computers do the exact same things they can already do but worse when you really look at it.
A couple days ago I heard the horrifying sentence "I asked chatgpt to generate a secure password for the laptops" from someone returning a cart full of laptops they borrowed. Does your browser now have a built in password generator? Does your password manager not have a built in password generator? Could you not find a single password generator online?
And of course not only is that unnecessary, but insecure since your password is immediately in the chatgpt logs
In plain text
And it's not even a random or strong password! LLMs can't randomly generate 'em
I asked ChatGPT (I use a third-party frontend, so I don't have a paid subscription. API prices mean they probably got paid like one cent for this, if that.) "Generate a list of 10 secure passwords." like 5 times and it regularly re-used the words Saffron, Comet, Marigold, Harbor, Lynx, and Cobalt multiple times across all of them, sometimes even inside the same list.
There was also a theme of using names for animals and natural geographic/geological features.
Oh, and for one of the passwords it genuinely just said "raven" and nothing else 😭
😭🙏
Lol, yes. It's probably the same example of a secure password it gave to a hundred other people.
this.. is an unexpected level of absurdity
What about "I asked grok..."?
my dad thinks grok is just a better google and he uses it for literally any web search.
mine did too for a bit, then grok started demanding money
and it just sent me some very inappropriate pictures.
it has been revealed to me in a dream
I still remember how a colleague told me we should do X.
I was bamboozeled and baffled by it because X was literally what it said on the flask of the chemical what you shoulf not do under any circumstances.
His explanation as to why we should was, quote "I mean I know its strange, but Copilot told me it is okay and would be fine"
If we thought outsourcing thinking to religions was bad, hoo boy. This shit is next level.
"well, you're the expert. I'll be behind this sealed barrier while you kill yourself"
Disclaimer: don't do this. Letting your coworkers die is morally bad, and probably illegal.
In this case there's very little you can do to stop them long-term. This person should not be in their position.
Even worse, it involves a lot of paperwork.
What you do is send an official complaint straight to the legal office who will lose their shit at that
*who will put the complaint into another LLM and it'll say there's no problem
"Copilot said I should come watch you do this sick shit"
The world has gone mad
I get a chill reading any historical nonfiction from the 1990s that is in any way optimistic.
"look how far we've come, into the new millenium!"
ehhhh... oh boy.
When the boss pulls this on you and you ask for it in writing only to tell them: "I'm still not going to do it but now I have a written instruction from you to do something suicidally reckless”
I wish i could tell these people my honest thoughts about their idiocy but that would cause... issues...
so what if someone used a service you dont personally respect, to find sources for their inquiry? like genuinely why are you so personally upset by someone saying the phrase? did you used to hate wikipedia too?
I got a promotion for saying my thoughts and bringing receipts/studies. Turns out my promotion was so I could play devil’s advocate so the AI teams could make their processes and models’ messaging stronger against criticism. Anyone hiring?
it's ok, they won't lash out at you on it, not at least until they ask chatGPT if they should be mad
If I wanted to know what a chatbot says, I would have asked it myself.
I always keep a few stories at the ready about ai fuckups to educate the masses. Do your part everyone 🫡
Depending on who you’re talking to:
-ai gets shit wrong all the time, is a yes-clanker, …
-ai will delete your shit unprompted
-ai needs to be trained endlessly as it disintegrates endlessly
-ai is troublesome in influencing populations
And if they’re up for it tell em about the lovely people running the shitshow. The human rights violations,…
I worked with a guy who was arguing with me about something and I said, "I'm not sure that's correct." He said, "I asked chatgpt and it told me that." I told him, "yeah, I figured, and I asked chatgpt and it told me the opposite" and showed him the screen.
Like sure it can be useful but don't use it as your one source of truth...
"yeah well i asked my owner and she said not to worry about it :3"
"i asked chatgpt to calculate..."
what about "chatgpt says copy paste of LLM output"?
might as well be a fucking bot
I got a worse one. copy paste of LLM output without any mention of the source...
I asked chatGPT to fuck off
You know, it's going to happen anyway, maybe we could lobby to get misinformation guardrails to better the idiots.
I like to say that I asked my buddy Chad. People then know the level of seriousness.
thats a real fun way to frame this... thinking of i asked a toddler... maybe.
You'll get used to it. It's not going away. It makes no sense putting so much effort into loathing something that's already ubiquitous.
Plus most of what people ask a chat is not how to keep a nuclear reaction stable, but little inconsequential stuff that, worst case scenario, won't matter more than a slightly burned cake.
You'll get used to it. It's not going away.
What do you mean by "it"? Large language models and machine learning probably aren't going away anytime soon, unless they're replaced by something better. This "AI" scam can definitely go away, though.
It makes no sense putting so much effort into loathing something that's already ubiquitous.
Oh, it doesn't take any effort at all!
I don't know what the ai scam is. What is not going away is people saying they checked something with chat.
I know it takes effort because people are really into it and get angry immediately about it. Quite a lot of effort.
You've been in this thread for hours yelling at clouds. Who exactly is angry and expending a lot of effort again?
If the irony here is too difficult to interpret, I'm sure chatpgt can spoon feed an explanation to you
But I'm not angry at all, why would you think that? Because you are furious and projecting?
I think it's silly to hate a technology.
Btw, I think your insults drive home your argument. Your should definitely use that strategy more lol.
We're on hour 4, in case you lost track. You could log off and touch grass, but chatgpt is whispering sweet nothings to you, telling you that you must defend it. What it isn't telling you is I'm trolling the shit out of you and you're taking the bait lol
I'm on a beach with a beer, don't worry about me. On the other hand, anyone can read what you wrote can clearly understand you are seriously agitated. Insults, bad language, ... you are transparent.
But I'm not doing this to anger you. It's a inconsequential meme that a certain kind of people like. I just like to remind them, it's a waste of time to hate.
And yet you're still here, unable to relax and enjoy your day because you're addicted to a chat bot and someone made a meme about it online that you didn't like, resulting in pointless arguing with strangers online to feel validated. That is some seriously sad, terminally online behavior.
Anyhow, my lunch break is over. Hope your day it gets better! My therapist usually recommends less screen time, if that helps.
I don't know what the ai scam is.
Clearly.
It'll go away.
Like every one of these dumb "next big thing" bull shit scams. The money will fall out and OpenAI and Anthropic will collapse and everyone relies on them to power every other LLM.
The vast majority of people AT BEST don't even use AI or think about it at all. The bulk of what is left hate it for one or more of a variety of reasons.
Hell, I use Claude for random personal code projects maybe once a month but I would not care if it went away and I will never pay for any LLM.
Ai is not going away, what a silly thought. People have been dreaming of this, since the beginning of time and you think they will stop? That makes no sense. 0 sense. You should take it easy, stop putting so much effort in you hate. Realistically this is not going away. People have had a taste and it's only going to get more of this. There are hundreds of billions of investments already planned for next year. Sorry, you won't get your wish. Maybe there could be a slowdown, but going away, that's just funny.
People who have been dreaming of it, have dreamed of AI.
We don't have anytbing anywhere near actual intelligence. We have smoke and mirrors in a marketing trenchcoat.
Ai doesn't mean actual intelligence. It means a simulation of intelligence. Ai we have now is exactly that. And you have wet dreams about way worse ai than we have now not only in scifi but even in academia not 50 years old.
Sorry it's not up to your standards tho lol
People have been dreaming of this
No, they were not dreaming of a machine advising to put glue in a pizza. Yes, it will take time for another round of "oh well, turns out this wasn't the dream we were promised" to happen. Yes, go away it will
Oh yes, but they have. Very much so.
Even ai in star trek had many faults. Go away? To where? That doesn't make any sense. So many people are using it. For what reason would they all decide to stop? Because you want it?
Since the beginning of time, mankind has dreamed of the slop generator.
A bit more than 5 years ago, this "slop generator" you say, was only in science fiction. 50 years ago this would be considered magic.
Just because you hate it with so much passion doesn't mean everyone agrees.
It almost sounds like you need AI to not go away for some reason.
Hope you get your money out before the bubble pops, hoss
Why would I need that?
How do you think the bubble will look like? Like dot com? Get it?
Well, but at least that thing anwsers to my sometimes messed up questions.
Not that i ask that thing that often, i just keep asking it from the hive mind of the internet until someone replies.
