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TechnologySo can I just use the OBS virtual camera with a video of somebody waving
Fuck that
Jokes on them, I have no webcam.
Me either.....
But you do have a cellphone with camera and mic
Absolutely not. Go fuck yourselves. There's not a person in the world who I would do this for.
Came to say this. I'm not uploading my ID so I can check my emails. I'm not turning on a camera so I can log into a website.
Fuck you, Google.
Oh I'm gonna wave some stuff at them.
Even more reason to DeGoogle your computers
- https://f-droid.org/packages/dev.clombardo.dnsnet/
- https://grapheneos.org/ * https://postmarketos.org/
- https://www.fairphone.com/ * https://commerce.jolla.com/products/jolla-phone-preorder
- https://librewolf.net/ * https://www.waterfox.com/
- https://codeberg.org/ironfox-oss/IronFox * https://f-droid.org/packages/org.mozilla.fennec_fdroid/
- https://www.ecosia.org/ * https://qwant.com/ * https://searxng.org/
- https://immich.app/ * https://nextcloud.com/
- https://www.comaps.app/ + https://f-droid.org/packages/com.github.olga_yakovleva.rhvoice.android/
- https://signal.org/ * https://element.io/en
- https://chat.mistral.ai/chat
- https://bitwarden.com/ * https://joplinapp.org/
- https://www.qobuz.com/
- https://f-droid.org/packages/eu.faircode.email/ * https://f-droid.org/packages/com.fsck.k9/
- https://tuta.com/secure-email
degoogle for privacy
still use AI chatbot
Bruh
I think such an all-or-nothing mindset is exactly why people are staying on megacorp services. Besides, Mistral is much more transparent about its data collection, unlike Google, which makes you disable all chat history if you want to prevent training on your inputs.
What is your use case for LLMs?
My mindset is all-or-nothing because I have yet to find a use for LLMs. Enlighten me, please.
AI chats are pretty good for finding leads on unknown unknowns when researching something new. Maybe it's just because of how much worse search engines are now but theyre also pretty good for troubleshooting when you don't have good keywords to narrow down the search effectively.
I see where you're coming from and agree that modern search engines are trash. Have you tried the alternate search engines suggested in the first comment? I would personally try those first I suppose.
All-or-nothing mindset people usually do not comment because they want to be helpful. They are a nuisance.
What do you use AI for?
To block trolls on the internet.
Finding sea lions.
I generally favor local LLM usage, but I will sometimes use Kagi's assistant tools. I trust them to throw out my data a fuckton more than I do Google.
A locally run LLM is a different story, one that I'm slightly note open to, but "trusting" any corp is how we got here. To me degoogling isn't just about moving away from Google but about removing myself from any nonessential service and limiting the data I share with essential services.
I also just plain don't know what I'd use any LLM for.
I also just plain don’t know what I’d use any LLM for.
PewDiePie has been on a tear lately with recommending everybody switch to Linux and recently experimenting with LLMs. He put out a legit good local LLM project that showcases the different kinds of things you can do with a model.
My biggest LLM use cases have been:
- A replacement for search, since you typically need multiple searches and multiple sources to get the information you need
- Code generation, because it's so good at producing entire fully-featured utilities or just let it spin away at implementing some new functionality
- Helping me out with some random Linux error or difficulty, because support forums are fucking garbage
Don't have a webcam on my desktop (main PC) and I have no intention of getting one.
Don't worry, it will ask you to scan a QR code to complete the verification on your phone.
No phone. Now what?
You're shit out of luck
Jokes aside don't give them ideas
They already do this
Yeah and they enroll any phone against your will too. Last month google randomly decided an android VM I spun up for like ten minutes then deleted was my primary device and wanted me to use it to log in.
What's the joke?
That made me chuckle
I always buy the cheapest phone and usually they dont have built in qr code scanner. My current phone doesnt. And no, im not downloading some shitty feature-stuffed adware app just to scan qr codes
Slightly off topic, but if you need a QR code scanner there are really good open source ones available on F-Droid. Such is SecScanQR which I have been using for quite a while.
If you need a utility app chances are an open source one already exists. Avoid crapware from the Play Store.
So what's stopping me from using OBS as a virtual camera and feeding it a stream of stock footage of someone waving their hand?
This...
It can try, but I'm not doing that. I will stop using everything that requires it.
Yep. If the web requires ID to do anything I will only use it for banking and shit I already give my ID to. For everything else I'll just pirate, or use tor/I2P until they lock me up.
All these fascist criminal pedophiles that want to control us can suck a big fat bag of dicks.
Yep. We'll make our own internet. And it won't have recaptcha
Me neither... So are people like us just going to make our own internet or what? Because it's getting kind of hard not having access to 90% of things without logging in anymore.
If I have to do face verification at some point I am using a pic of Harold. I am almost 70.
Can the AI identify which finger I'm waving too?
Web cam? I don't have one on my computer, what now?
Privacy nightmare aside, is it just me or does this sound a lot less secure than the find the bus bullshit they do now? Seems like it would be much easier for a bot to generate a realistic looking hand wave than interpret increasingly obscure photo puzzles.
Well right. But they can't collect your photo and other data that way.
For reasons like this, my webcam is only plugged in when I actively need it.
Same!
Waving is something robots already could in the 80s.
That’s it, I’m rewatching Short Circuit now
Doesn't AI work great for this, what with those AIs that turn Reddit mods into anime cosplayer girls?
And it says "When the hand gesture feature is enabled, reCAPTCHA collects the following data:".
When it gets forced, we talk again.
This is the narrow end of the wedge. Once it's forced it will already be too late.
You right now:
This sort of condescending tone is so insufferable.
Saying “WILL” is clickbait.
As many have pointed out, they can’t force this.
They can definetly use signals like VPN usage, not allowing third-party cookies and whatever else to force this verification mode if they want to. They may not be doing it right now but nothing prevents them.
Me not using their garbage internet does indeed stop them from doing it to me.
It's reCAPTCHA. What "their garbage internet" are you referring to? The singular internet, the one you're on right now? reCAPTCHA is used on tons of websites. It used to be useful until Google turned it into a machine learning training tool rather than a bot filtering tool.
Literally yes. I just won’t use that website.
Its Google, they will try. "This is the only way to accesss your emails."
Uh yeah, it most certainly will not.
Google can turn on my webcam all it wants. They can't see through the sticky tape anyways.
I still wouldn't want google capturing my body and my home even through the filter of sticky tape. even if it's pitch black, I can't rule out that they're not fingerprinting whatever they can find that's unique about my camera's sensor.
They can't turn on a webcam that doesn't exist. I have no intention of connecting one to my desktops.
Well, not me.
Copypasta.
I have a Mac, so it has things like WiFi and Bluetooth that most Wintel boxes don’t tend to have. (I used to build PCs. I know those motherboards exist, and what it costs over base to get those features. So I know they exist and why they’re not common.) What it does not have is a camera. My MacBook has one, but any site that wants to use it needs to ask permission first. When I say no, it does not see the camera. It’s not saying “I see camera, can I use it” it’s asking “can I use camera?” An answer of no returns the message “no camera.”
I suspect it’s the same with all platforms. Meaning anyone who wants this can use it and the rest of us will just default to identifying sidewalks to train the cars.
"Google has added Hand gesture verification functionality to reCAPTCHA"
This title is clickbait, if we want Lemmy to be a competitor to Reddit we need to be better moderated than they are, not worse. Please report this post and OP to your instance admins.
Imagine actually believing that they don't retain footage. Were you born yesterday?
Report this comment too. We can't let Lemmy get overrun with clickbait spam or it will get worse here than reddit.
Remember when Google told us that they didn't keep/listen to the recordings from their smart speakers, then we found out that was a complete fucking lie?
https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/en/2019/07/10/google-employees-are-eavesdropping-even-in-flemish-living-rooms/
https://www.securitymagazine.com/articles/93043-google-admits-its-home-speakers-recorded-at-all-times
https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2019/07/11/google-home-smart-speakers-employees-listen-conversations/1702205001/
So yeah no, fuck that.
Don't worry!! They said it again in the article OP posted, so we know we have nothing to worry about:
The videos are never associated with a user's identity and are deleted after the verification process. Audio is never recorded.
Yeah exactly.
Fool me once... Though I guess they didn't really even fool me the first time as I just assumed it's what they were doing with the smart speakers from the get go
Just because google sucks it doesn't mean you should upvote clickbait and spam
HOW IS IT CLICKBAIT OR SPAM
we dont care about reddit
We should care about clickbait and spam
it isnt clickbait nor spam
how much is google paying you?
mr evil has said that hes not evil please dont call him evil he never did anything evil
Why are you protecting clickbait spam?
because it isnt
Sounds like one of these things that people are scared is going to happen but will never actually happen
you haven't been paying attention
Chinese corporations and government have been doing this shit for years. Trying to use alipay on a trip to China was a dystopian nightmare lol. USA has only just started to catch up to them in terms of digital surveillance. This stuff and things like "Flock" that Americans are freaking out about right now are a completely normal fact of life over there.
