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Tankies are so weird with how they handle criticism of China or Russia. I think it has to do with admitting there are shitheads in those governments doing bad things implies the existence of shitheads in non-commie nations and that maybe you can just get rid of the shitheads instead of burning the whole thing down.
That is some load bearing cope right there.
Sad how much propaganda there is even on lemmy, i've seen multiple posts about this recent attack but none seem unbiased, one one hand you have people spreading pro russia propaganda and on the other people cheering at what looks like the matrix plot.
Dumb ass doesn't understand "if it works, it works". If the refinery exploded using a matchstick, it still fucking works.
I'm guessing request for fuel is also staged by Ukraine... LMAO
What the hell is that "terrorist attack" you're attacked Ukraina first and now crying because get revenge terror from Ukraina?
Hollywood request for fuel.
Also all those people queueing are paid Hollywood actors.
Ah yes a drone that isn’t bigger than two bicycle can carry enough kerosene to cause such a massive smoke plume. Fucking idiots.
Also it turned out that Russian rockets that are part of the air defense system hit the oil storage tanks.
Right, and Russia has already won the war it started four years ago but all of war videos are SFX. For fucks sake go find someone more human to idolize won't you, not someone who wants to leech on the world by living until 150. That is so pathetic.
It's funny because Ukraine doesn't need to look strong.
Both standing up to the bully and getting hit by the bully will gather empathy.
The only thing that doesn't get empathy is invading another country.
Trying to invade, failing and then pretending like you are succeeding is even worse.
I've seen a LOT of dumb shit coming from the tankie triad, but this... this is...
I dunno, it's 3am and I'm scrolling past articles about Hunter Biden challenging one of the Trump kids to a cage match, and people collecting floating chunks of pool liner and comparing them to bricks from the Berlin wall, like I'm starting to doubt whether I'm awake or asleep anymore and I'm starting to hope that the huge dome that was filmed blowing off the refinery is hit by a huge gust of wind that can carry it the thousands of miles it'll take to land on my head so that I can verify for myself whether it was actually made of styrofoam. I dunno.
producing thick plumes of oily smoke.
That's what happens when oil burns. Specifically, when oil storage tanks burn. Burning oil makes big plumes of thick, oily smoke.
In the video below, a shot-down drone can be seen jettisoning its special FX package.
Ukraine managed to get a drone through three (or more) layers of air defense around Moscow, only to drop an FX package? Look... Even I make fun of Russian air defense, but it's not entirely useless and it does work.
It now makes perfect sense how Ukraine was able to fabricate such an eye-catching mise-en-scene
No. It doesn't make any sense at all, per the above reason. If you send a drone to Moscow, make it through the air defense and have the opportunity to bomb a refinery, just bomb the fucking refinery. Burning oil is your FX package, dipshit.
The actual damage to the refinery itself turned out to be disappointing, as only a few oil storage tanks were actually destroyed.
Oil tanks are big, contain a fuck-ton of oil and burning tanks are a pain in the ass to extinguish. Heat damage alone can shut a refinery down if any high pressure tanks or lines were exposed. They would need to be inspected properly and that isn't a small task. So yeah, a couple of destroyed tanks is kind of a bad thing. (Also, he just confirmed that is wasn't an "empty strike", employing "FX packages". Shit got blowed up, dawg.)
In fact, much of Ukraine's recent narratives
.. narratives, propaganda or whatever... Those are likely Russian videos of Russian oil tanks on fire. No narrative is needed. (I stay away from most state news sites and steer clear of most opinion-based news, blogs or videos. Getting actual information about a conflict is hard enough, thanks. My point: I don't know the narratives and reading a blog like this just lets me know that the propaganda engine is having to chooch really fucking hard about this.)
Alas, these propaganda blogs are just made to sow doubt with large groups of idiots. It doesn't matter if they are true or not, what matters is that their future front-line meat waves stay dumb and that .ml posters have another hyperlink to add as a "source": These links are also for idiots to click that don't validate any of those sources. This stuff fuels confirmation bias, consciously or not, and regardless if any of it is true.
Are they really saying that:
A) Ukraine has massive drones capable of carrying huge payloads to make these large oil fire plumes all on their own?
B) Ukraine has the ability to get these massive drones through (almost) every layer of Russian air defense?
C) Ukraine has enough oil to spare to burn it in drone drops like this, just for publicity?
That's ... not the flex they think it is.
If what they're saying is true (and it obviously isn't), they should count themselves lucky that Ukraine is just putting on a show with these huge, impressive drones dropping big smoke packages rather than, you know, using them to drop equally big bombs.
Shame Russia popped its own refinery trying to shoot down an FX package.
I think actually Ukraine probably should start doing this. Would be cheaper. Drones have nothing on them but a high res camera for capturing the glorious waste of money Moscow throws at it, wrecking their own shit in the process. Would make for a good bit of TV
Would be cheaper.
I'm not sure it actually would. I think most of the cost of these drones is being able to fly far enough while manoeuvring around air defenses, the actual payload is probably the cheap part.
Yes, I'm sure the damage to the refineries is non-existent and the lines at the gas stations are staged by the CIA
I don’t think I’ll ever be able to call Russians anything else after reading that. Bravo!
The blog in question is literally pro-Trump, lol: https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/40k-subs-milestone-and-another-one
MAGA Communism is the only TRUE Praxis, comrade.
The golden comrade, lmao.
He says shit like this while insisting he's an American
He's banned me from any community/instance they have power over, and for the longest time, never posted anywhere he wasn't a mod on.
Look at me. Look at me. I'm the moderator now.
Edit the post, thread and this comment really got all the Ruskidefenders crawling out of their holes. You haven't better shit to do on a Saturday than pretend that Russia isn't bad and does not practice disinfo. Okay. ;> it's quite entertaining, but they're clearly trying to brigade the comments below, expecting I'll run ouf of stamina to answer all of the "water isn't actually wet" bullshit as it's pretty funny. I won't. But I am short on time today
Why do you think he couldn't be American? Do you believe Americans are immune to Russian propaganda? There's been several stories of US right-wingers simping for Russia so hard they moved there, frequently with comical outcomes, sent to the frontlines, etc., this is the same thing with a (not very convincing) left-wing coat of paint.
Dude posts in other accounts with fluid Russian. I've even got some screens somewhere.
Why would you question something so clear and simple, unless you mean to dissuade people from the notion that Russia has organised propaganda online and to imply that they aren't on poorly moderated platforms like Lemmy to do it.
Also, Americans don't keep referring to the US as "the imperialist West".
But you're just a shitstirrer, that's obvious from your profile.
So you just can't recognise Russian propaganda spread purposefully when you see it, no matter what?
And you think posting that here is gonna be popular, lil вахтера?
Why would you question something so clear and simple, unless you mean to dissuade people from the notion that Russian has no organised propaganda online
I literally asked "Do you believe Americans are immune to Russian propaganda?", which presupposes that Russian propaganda exists (because it exists, the article linked by the user there being an example) and that Americans are falling for it. Learn to read instead of inventing stuff that I didn't say.
But you’re just a shitstirrer, that’s obvious from your profile.
Huh?
So you just can’t recognise Russian propaganda spread purposefully when you see it, no matter what?
I can both recognise Russian propaganda and know that not everyone who spreads it is personally Russian.
If you can find those screenshots of Davel's Russian comments, I'd seriously like to see them. I came across people on Lemmy claiming even Dessalines could be Russian, yet there's no proof of that, even though he uses the same phrases as "the imperialist West" etc., his reddit comments from many years ago show he's from the US, his recordings on Youtube are in native US English, etc. He just ate up some of the weirder strains of Russian propaganda along with lots of other ideas (the sort of tankie ideology seen on Lemmy is primarily a US phenomenon, I believe a weird off-shoot of Cold War pro-USSR narratives). So I'm suspicious of this blanket conclusion that everyone who spreads pro-Russia, anti-west narratives is necessarily foreign to the US.
I studied Russian for a while, I've seen lots of Russian memes online, etc, but I have no idea what "вахтера" could mean?
Oh so you're allowed to whatabout and make up bullshit, but no-one else can?
You're literally whatabouting. "But what about the American victims of propaganda, how can you be sure Davel isn't one of them" you sad sack of shit and your brigading alts to make you look even remotely reasonable.
"I'm just asking questions" is genuinely so fucking tires rhetoric. No you're not. You're using questions to assert Davel isn't Russian.
What makes you believe he isn't Russian?
Oh wait, I wasn't allowed to ask questions, only you?
, that’s obvious from your profile. huuuuh?
Really? That's all you have to say. Kinda reminds me of a JD Vance interview here actually. Instead of furthering the discussion anywhere, you go in with shitty whataboutism or other "just questions" and never even contribute to threads.
I can both recognise Russian propaganda and know that not everyone who spreads it is personally Russian.
Is Davel "everyone"? Oh wait, perhaps Davel, Yogthos and other pathetic little Russian shills are all the same person, and because you're having a hard time keeping up "who you are" because you're everyone, you're also me, but have forgotten it?
Or perhaps you were exaggerating, since very clearly don't assume "everyone" who accidentally spreads Russian propaganda isn't Russian. But Davel is, I know that for a fact.
You can cry all you can but if you read his profile and even look up other profiles he's had with the same name and content, you can (if you're literate, but I think that won't include you, sorry) look at his profile.
Just like I said, you're a shitstirrer who got angry that Davel got talked about. This happens all the time on Lemmy. That's why everyone know what garbage heaps lemmy.ml and lemmygrad are. You know, the instances which Davel mods and speaks fluent Russian on?
There's massive intentional Russian propaganda being spread by Russia exactly on poorly moderated platform like Lemmy. And everytime you point it out you get one of you whiners goin "no they're actually American, definitely, they smell of the decadent capitalist West, just like comrade Lenin thought us here our motherland... no wait. I meant Nixon, and am of living in United States!"
Thanks for the laughs little вахтера
Man, saying "He's an American who fell for Russian propaganda" isn't denying the existence of Russian propaganda.
Correct.
So what the proof that Davel is American? How many Americans or people in general, do you know of, who have learned to speak fluent Russian in their adult years?
Jesus, did it struck a nerve or something? The other user just asked how you could be so sure, plus their nationality is not even that relevant, because they're spouting Russian propaganda anyway whether they are actually Russian or from anywhere else.
Because it's not hard to Google "davel lemmy" and see a dozen accounts of him speaking fluid Russian.
How many Americans you know of whom learned to speak and write Russian in their adult years?
did it struck a nerve or something?
It clearly did. For the Russians on the platform. "Nah uh, we're good liars!"
Ruahahaha. Russians might be decent in chess but the rhetoric is ridiculous and entertaining. Although I can understand that this sort of "water isn't actually wet" discourse is "complicated" by US or Russian literacy standards.
It's still weird that you're so attached to the notion of their nationality, but you do you I guess.
What makes you believe he isn’t Russian?
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I believe that the majority of Lemmy users are Americans (the majority of discourse is US-centred, non-English communities except German ones are effectively nonexistent).
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Davel's rhetoric partly aligns with Russian propaganda, but its pseudo-leftist bent is not really found in Russian propaganda or in Russian popular discourse.
But Davel is, I know that for a fact.
I again would ask you, if possible, to find the screenshots. I don't think it's impossible, I just think it's less likely than him being American. Solid evidence can decisively end this dispute.
you’re a shitstirrer who got angry that Davel got talked about
Literally my first comment ITT was pointing out the article he linked is written by a pro-Trump blogger. If you think that was meant to be in any way a defense of Davel, that's just crazy.
The rest is random accusations with no heads or tails that I don't think can be meaningfully responded to. I have one alternative profile (now unused) which is linked in my profile description.
Oh hunny, you believing things isn't proof. :((
How many Americans you know of who learned to speak fluent Russian in their adult years?
You're pathetic.
random accusations with no heads or tails that I don't think can be meaningfully responded
You mean "rhetoric I won't address because it'd show how wrong I am, so I just go there to put in childish comments implying defense of Russia and how the US sucks"
This is literally like a teenage "philosopher" trying to argue how "water isn't actually wet".
Genuinely I've had good laughs and I was somewhat lonely tonight so thanks :DD
"Please find the screenshots you took of some lunatic Russian 4 years ago" yeah they're actually on my PC, but it shouldn't be hard for you to Google "davel lemmy" and see all the different accounts he has. Although since I've stated pointing it out, after he started evading me, he's also deleted the comments I've screenshot and shared.
Again thanks for the giggles
How many Americans you know of who learned to speak fluent Russian in their adult years?
None personally, since I don't talk with Americans except on forums online, though obviously I've read texts by a number of them (scholarly writing on Russian language and literature) and have seen and interacted with them on Russian-learning communities online. If you find that to be relevant. Do you know Russian well enough to judge his fluency anyway?
implying defense of Russia
I really don't believe you could look through my comment history, as you claimed, see my recent post with Semyon Skrepetsky's painting, and say I'm in any way a defender of Russia. It looks like you're just looking for enemies.
Lemmy isn't indexed on Google very well, and finding people's accounts that way is nigh impossible. I found his older inactive account on Lemmygrad and that's it, and there's no Russian there as far as I could see. Of course, maybe he deleted the comments in question, etc.
If you do run across the pics, even long after this discussion is over, don't hesitate to post them, I'll be thankful.
Reality has a well-known Russian Propaganda bias.
If the war was going the way Russia wanted, it would have ended years ago.
I'd love to know how they explain the flying tank lid.
Alliums
I don't know why you'd expect .ml to do anything else.
No relation.
On Voyager you can give tags to users, anyone I might want to steer clear of gets a red tag with a short description why I don't want to engage with them, for example ' Religious asshole', 'Tankie', 'Miserable prick'.
You got the first green Tag - 'No, not that one'
I'm honored!
I've always wondered.
Then again, that's something davel would say to throw us off the trail. Hmm.
That's a clear sign that's not a communist/leftist person's account. Probably applies to the instance
