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People Twitter£7.25 is super expensive, I'd never buy a steak for more than £5 and even then I don't buy them usually.
They've been doing this for the last 15 years, people steal them and sell them in pubs. Premium steaks are not feeding world hunger.
But also the beef and cattle industry has been quietly and carefully raising the price of beef, and especially steak, ever since the pandemic and hoping no one would call them out for their blatant price gouging.
Part of this has been framed as "steak is a luxury item and so we can price it out of the reach of the poor". Pair that with government programs silently removing steak as a buyable item on food stamp and public food programs.
Meanwhile the cattle industry has been posting all time record high profits for the last 5 years.
On the other hand maybe meat is an extreme, unsustainable privilege that's inherently based on torturing/murdering animals and destroying the planet.
That sounds like something meat would say. You just don't want us eating meat because you are made of meat lol
I saw an old guy putting cans of Klik in his haversack. Then I saw him put a bag of carrots in as well. He also grabbed an 8-pack of double-A batteries and that's when I turned him in. /s
Remember, folks: if you saw someone shoplift food? No. You didn't.
Now imagine every tenth customer starts stealing.
Now the company has to increase prices to compensate for the loss of profits. We all start paying for the shoplifters, ridiculous, right?
But who are we really protecting by paying more, though? The shoplifters or the company? Who's REALLY the parasite here? The rich company or the person forced to steal?
EDIT because I might've not made my point clear - if we eliminate the company and replace it with public services, there would be noone to take profit and thus no need to hike the prices.
Privatization is evil. The idea of profit is parasitic.
or at least we would be able to hold the gov accountable for any bad behavior on theyer part, unlike a corp.
We all start paying for the shoplifters, ridiculous, right?
A good argument for reducing inequality through higher taxes.
Exactly my point, thank you
Dear God, think of the profits!!!
I am thinking of all the profits!
And if you see anyone shoplifting from Walmart, no you didn't.
This statement is something that I dont understand. While yeah, if that would happen to a big store, it might be alright but if I ran a corner store, I wouldnt be okay with this.
Also people who steal food here are gypsies and narcs. Normal people with financial difficulties get their goods from government, food shelters, churches and other help associations.
Now, I've been fucking dirt poor, I've gone sleep hungry, I've had to walk to every place instead of taking public transit. Still I've never thought about stealing food.
The term "gypsies" is a slur by the way.
This statement is something that I dont understand
I’ll try to help fam. The hungry deserve to eat and they have the moral high ground over the ownership class that would rather that person starve and the food they stole destroyed.
Could you present a weaker strawman if you tried?
You aint solving hunger by stealing ribeyes crabs and lobsters.
Normal people that struggle financially seek help from the government, they go to food banks, there is help to get without having to resort to stealing.
You don't just wake up one morning and all of a sudden have to steal to survive. This isn't the US. (The hint is in the £ sign)
Because drug addicts are famously affluent and gypsies don't need food at all. Also capitalism is widely known for taking care of the people in need and no one ever goes hungry or homeless unless they want to.
Do you own a corner store? Or are you just making baseless assumptions? Just because you had a certain experience doesn't mean that is everyone's experience. Learn some compassion you wanker.
Maybe 7.25 steaks?
"What happened?" are you for real?
Did you not read any newspaper, watch any news, or generally exist in society since 2016?
First you decided to bazooka yourselves in the foot with the Brexit vote, then went through a revolving clown show of increasingly bizarre political sideshow pieces that pretended to be PM, before finally opting to negotiate an EU exist that was about as disastrous as it could've been for your economy.
Add in the fact that the entire world has been turning to shit around you due to despotic leaders trying to rape their neighbours/the climate/populace/actual kids/everything joined by a cabal of evil billionaires who are gleefully destroying democracy and the world economy so they can go out in one final last hurrah of capitalism, and you have the audacity to ask "What happened?"?.
I seriously can't with these "I don't do politics" idiots anymore.
You may not be involved in politics, but politics will certainly be involved with you.
I seriously can’t with these “I don’t do politics” idiots anymore.
This, its like when corps say there not evil they are amoral. Yah, you don't care whats going on around you.
Your amoral = You have no morals = You are a bad person because you don't care what happen to the average man from your own actions or others.
Gd well put... that is a good sum up of the major stuff going wrong with society, id say
evil billionaires who are gleefully destroying democracy and the world economy so they can go out in one final last hurrah of capitalism
They need to set the all time high scores list before they end the world. I'd say "/s" but honestly I think that may be what they're doing.
*before they end the world.
You're right, changing it now
I'd say a good 50% of people are not paying attention to current events/politics, then 40% who follow somewhat but don't really understand as they lack the critical thinking skills necessary to actually process the information and end up parroting the talking points of their preferred media, and then finally 10% who realize just how fucked everything is.
It's less than 10% because some of those that are able to comprehend what's happening are the ones who made it happen and/or are rooting for it like nothing else they've ever done. This is exactly what many want, them being on a high horse as many as possible never even getting the chance of dreaming of that position.
Eh at first glance I'd almost lump most of them in with that 40%, but I also have a hard time comprehending anyone of proper intelligence being that maniacal, so yeah I suppose you've got an excellent point. That said, most MAGAts I see in the real world are just on the bandwagon, heck most of the ones I meet can barely rub two brain cells together regarding politics to the point I have a small level of sympathy for just how stupid they are.
i don't, stupid people are an anchor, frankly the bottom 20% should loss the ability to vote. BUUUUT!!
They get UBI. (and nothing small, like 20-30K pegged to inflation or something, something BIG like that.)
since they wont be represented in the voting spectrum any more, but they still are important for operation of the country and labor and frankly, we all know some dumb ass that we like or love. we wouldn't abandon them. but frankly they don't posses critical thinking skill so they should get a dif societal task, acting as our strongest consumers or creatives, they could even save and start a business, remember a lot of business people aren't geniuses like engineers or scientists. we would totally be fine it we locked it to the bottom 20% (or whatever ratio would actually work, this is more of a generalization.) and i don't think we would get into any situation where that 20% lost voting rights would creep up, thanks to the new UBI anchor keeping the gov from having to pay more people, and the remaining 80% of people would be more likely to see though bullshit, especially now that the bottom 20% are disenfranchised from it. they won't peddle nonsense for these bad actors.
I could understand the idea in theory, but it could never be implemented in the real world without bias or manipulation. Look at the current administration, they'd simply deem anyone other than MAGA mentally incompetent to cement their power (like shoehorning TDS into the next DSM release). On top of which, the UBI you suggest would never be enough to actually live on or even be supplementary, further impoverishing those subject to it (see the current problems with SSI). Companies in lower income areas will simply raise prices since there is more money to be extracted.
Realistically we need a drastic overhaul of American society that tips the scales back to the people, but at this point I dont know how that could be achieved since 20% will screech communism and vote against it.
no they don't live off it, ubi isn't something you live off of, you have a job with it as well. after all, society requires everyone to chip in for things to work, as the current brake down were all experiencing has shown what happen when people don't pay their fair share.
and yes, bad acting partys that use and manipulate these people will throw a fit, if this were to happen even if we say reduced that threshold of exclusion to the bottom 10%, this is more what i meant about me generalizing, the idea is thta we shave off the bottom and pay them money in exchange for theyre vo-!!
hay, how about this instead, what if we added an option to the ballets to get the UBI for a year OR choose who to vote instead of forcing people out.
There's a lot of people who are only just now figuring out what the rest have been seeing happen for years, decades. Many of them are still in denial about how bad things have already gotten.
I dOnT gEt InVolVed IN pOLitiCs sInCE iT dOESn't EfFect mE.
People have become so poor that the people blocking them from food have chosen to forfeit their lives.
And they desperately need to go for the premium stake?
If you need to hunt vampires, you need the best equipment.
I just bought groceries at Kroger and at the self checkout they flagged me as a potential shoplifter for having my helmet in my basket
This right here. This right here is why I fucking hate when ppl dismiss surveillance and data collection, eg. "idc if they want to know i went to work and then Starbucks" etc..
They absolutely make assumptions about us based on statistical analysis of the data they have and then the systems they control treat us based on those assumptions, however wrong. Dynamic pricing is now a thing because they know enough to target subgroups of their customer base to price gauge more efficiently.
Information is power and people are extremely fucking cavalier about empowering the most exploitative and cruel ppl in society, business leaders.
If dynamic pricing isn't capitalism decaying back into the feudalism it came from I don't know what is.
In many other countries people are much poorer and don't end up stealing steaks from supermarkets. The issue is not finance but collapse of societal trust and Britain for once feels what they've been committing around the world for centuries.
meat is heavily stolen in alot of chains too.
As someone who stole from the supermarket all the time in college, I just wanna say that the need is starting to foment in recent times for me. The social contract is growing cracks now that I can’t see retirement and financial stability in my late 30s.
I consider it a public service to steal from businesses that destroy local economies, engage in union breaking and lobby against basic human rights.
They’re putting armed guards at supermarkets near me right now lol.
Jeez, how much did you steal for this to make business sense for the supermarket?
However much, you need to double that amount so they can afford to hire a second security guard.
Soon, we will all be employed at the supermarket. That's when we turn around and point two fingers at their eyes and then at our own and say "we are the supermarket now".
Walmart hires the city police btw lol. Might have something to do with this.
What value of groceries/items do you need to steal before they feel the need to use their weapons against you?
Depends on your skin color.
Yup. A cart full of groceries if you're white, a can of soup if you're anything a slightly shade darker.
Yep, our kroger looks like a prison/school entrance right now. They call it Fred Meyer here and it used to be at least nice to go to. They've gone full walmart.
They have to protect the hoarde from the people they stole it from.
Nobody should have to pay for food ever.
Absolutely agreed, but steaks?
If you think the rich should be able to choose how the poor eat I would counter that the poor should choose whether the rich eat at all.
Do you think people born to a higher position deserve a better quality of food based on their birthright?
Food should absolutely be a human right, but what you receive should be based on survival needs and sustainability. I don't mean bread an water but rather a broad selection of staple goods that results in a varied diet with the ability to choose for yourself what you eat. Steak, and most other meat products, shouldn't be part of the basic selection, they are luxury products without a sustainable way to produce in large enough quantities. The equivalent is that free public transport wouldn't include flights since that simply isn't viable at the moment.
Whether luxury goods that slowly kill the planet should be available at all is a different question entirely that can't be solved in our current geopolitical system. There are ways to address this but it would require a complete global restructuring that goes way beyond what food as a human right would require.
Not the OC. I think the point there is we should all be eating less steak, but I get what you're saying.
I think nobody deserves steak.
Do you think people born to a higher position deserve a better quality of food based on their birthright?
If you go down that path, why not give cows the birthright to live?
Because the deer that the wolf kills to eat it doesn't give the deer a right to live.
We're animals too. We just happen to be better and more efficient at killing our prey.
Then why not prey on human labour and take as much as cheap food can offer? Let humans work for a cheap ration of corn. It can't get much more efficient.
Must be food stealing immigrants /s.
you keep making bad decisions and your politicians exacerbate them
Or, it is another obvious reason
So it’s not just us, billionaires are bleeding everyone to death, globally.
Half (proverbially) of the UK is owned by US capital
I’m so sorry.
And our most significant infrastructure was sold to companies in Europe at huge discounts. The UK is just going to bleed out
[{Sadly) laughs in Spanish]
Hm, what do we do to ticks?
Stay inside and avoid their territory?
Absolutely fucking not. This is our planet, not theirs. Billionaires are an invasive species.
Should we distract them with a swarm of sterile males?
It would only work if you used children, sadly.
I was going to say they could use like a pocket knife to cut it off, but then I realized where this was.
Looks to me like it would be easy to rip off with bare hands. I can't tell if its the Styrofoam backer we use here in the us or if its cardboard, maybe plastic? Still probably flimsy enough to just rip.
It looks like Styrofoam backing with that plastic from bacon on the front thats impossible to rip, that I assume is encasing the whole thing.
$10 bucks says they wanted to bring this topic to immigrants.
Crime is so low they forgot what they tags are supposed to be used for!
Apparently Ben Graham, the one who tweeted this, is a Reform supporter so, obviously not a valid voice
For Christ's sake boys, we're stealing fuckin meat
I don't think people are stealing the steaks for their nutritional value, so that is still not the right framing.
I know I do but not everyone uses steaks as fleshlights.
That’s raw…
If you're going to steal food why not steal something enjoyable?
If you're going to steal anything, steal the highest value things you can get away with so you can sell them to buy more of what you actually need.
I'm not saying it never happens obviously
It's never bread or carrots that get a security tag. Always the luxury products...
I mean it's 7.25 pounds of steak, thats a lot for a barbecue!
Do brits have barbecue, or was that eradicated after their war on flavors?
This reeks of privlidge when poople complain that they can't have their wagoo steak.
