Clue is in the name
(midwest.social)
Lady Butterfly she/her
Casual UKHey don’t blame us, it was yall that came up with that name.
Yes it fucking is
I barely know 'er!
Actually I believe it's called "Football" because most ball games were originally played on horseback.
Football (Soccer) was one of the first ball games to be played on foot, hence Foot-ball
That's why Rugby, Canadian Football, Australian Football, and American Football are also types of "Football".
Also, the name "Soccer" was literally invented in England. It's short for "Association Football" (Association - Assoc - Soccer) so shut the f*** up
Man, Baseball with horses would be wild.
Actually I believe it’s called “Football” because most ball games were originally played on horseback.
hmmm are you sure about that? I do not know with certainty but today playing a sport with a horse would be a high demand, back in the days it would have been an even bigger one so I sincerely doubt "most ball games" were originally played on horseback when not having a horse was that much easier
That's like saying "we call them Earthmobiles because back then, most vehicles were just planes" (no way planes were common before cars)
You are sort of right regarding the origin of soccer, but it was intended to distinguish football played by the association rules vs other types of football which were popular at the time.
From Wikipedia:
Association football is part of a family of football codes that emerged from various ball games played worldwide since antiquity. The word "association" in this term refers to the Football Association (the FA), founded in London in 1863, which published the first set of rules for the sport that same year.[8] The term was coined to distinguish the type of football played in accordance with the FA rules from other types that were gaining popularity at the time, particularly rugby football.[9] Heading from The Sportsman front page of 25 November 1910, illustrating the continued use of the word "football" to encompass both rugby and association football.
The term soccer comes from Oxford "-er" slang, which was prevalent at the University of Oxford in England from about 1875, and is thought to have been borrowed from the slang of Rugby School. Initially spelt assoccer (a shortening of "association"), it was later reduced to the modern spelling.[10][11] Early alternative spellings included socca and socker.[9] This form of slang also gave rise to rugger for rugby football, fiver and tenner for five pound and ten pound notes, and the now-archaic footer that was also a name for association football.[12]
Within the English-speaking world, association football is now usually called simply "football" in Great Britain and most of Ulster in the north of Ireland,[13] whereas people usually call it "soccer" in regions and countries where other codes of football are prevalent, such as Australia,[14] Canada, South Africa, most of Ireland (excluding Ulster),[15] and the United States. A notable exception is New Zealand, where in the first two decades of the 21st century, under the influence of international television, "football" has been gaining prevalence, despite the dominance of other codes of football, namely rugby union and rugby league.[16]
Yes it was called football because the peasants played it on their feet while the nobles played polo and other equestrian sports. There's a huge documented history, several Kings in English history all had a take on the issue. Some thought it was awful because they hated seeing their peasants creating a spectacle and sometimes they got hurt and couldn't work, but other kings leaned into it and used it to gain favor with the lower classes.
According to wikipedia, what you claim is true but also there is documented history of the "foot" part coming up because of the kicking of the ball from really far back
The truth is we do not seem to know which of the 2 sources truly directed the current name... very likely both contributed
Handball.
Handball?
Looks more like an egg.
Yeah, that's a Handegg.
Her?
Nope, football.
Grope ball.
So stupid in Italian it's calcio and nobody gives them shit
Soccer is a British word though, but predominantly southerner / Oxfordian.
Association Football used to get contracted to Assoc or Soc to differentiate it from Rugby Football.
And in Oxford, they historically liked to add -er to the end of things; still in parlance today is calling Rugby “rugger”, £5 note “fiver”, the Bodleian Library “Bodder”.
Assoc became “soccer”.
It’s not an American thing. It’s a posh southern England thing that got exported to the states by American students at Oxford returning stateside and bringing the game back with them.
I watched several documentaries over the years that said it is because at the time Football Clubs were referred to as Social Clubs and the team was just part of the Social Club. The clubs were referred to as "Socs" pronounced like the footwear Socks, and the Teams would play what was referred to a s "Soccer" as in Sock-er. Then this got exported to various people in North America, mostly from the South and West of England. Then it fell out of usage in England but no one told us over here in North America so we kept using the term.
So it should be pronounced like so-ser?
In Scotland, yes.
So is it "sock-urh" or "soe'sh-ur"? The latter being like "social" but with an -er ending. Because that's how 'association' is pronounced.
Where is "association" pronounced like that, if I may ask? I could only find the pronunciation I'm familiar with, which is this: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/pronunciation/english/association
To maybe be more clear: you are implying that the c in "soc" is pronounced like a "sh" when it's the t in "tion".
(Edit: missed some letters.)
To maybe be more clear: you are implying that the c in "soc" is pronounced like a "sh" when it's the t in "tion".
Is it not? How do you pronounce it?
Also I'm pretty sure that's what the "ʃən" at the end of the pronunciation thing means.
Looking at the sound-by-sound pronunciation, it seems to confirm this.
/ʃ/ as in she
/ən/ as in sudden
I think the question was whether or not people pronounce the "soc" in "soccer" the same as they pronounce it in "association" ("soʃ" I guess), or like "sock"
I did provide a link where both the British and the American pronunciation treat the c as an s sound. They have the IPA as /əˌsəʊ.siˈeɪ.ʃən/ for both dialects. "soc" does contain the c, not the t.
As I said, I'm not debating that the t in "tion" is pronounced that way (at least I tried to be clear, maybe I muddled it even more), but I have always pronounced the c as an s sound, and it appears Cambridge agrees with me.
Some British English dialects do use a ʃ sound for the C in "association". OED has it listed for both UK and USA, though I don't personally know what the US situation is there
Counterintuitively it’s “sock-urh”.
Yet there is not a single British person who calls it soccer.
if it's called football, then why did YOU name it soccer? seems kind of silly to blame other people for using the name you insisted everyone use.
but that's like imperial measurements, you insisted everyone use them and then changed your mind down the line and now make fun of us for using the Imperial system that Imperial Britian came up with. you have a nasty habit of blaming everyone else for the problems you create.
I'm relatively confident that Lady Butterfly was not involved in either of these things you're accusing her of.
The freaking English named it soccer to distinguish from rugby football and brought that name here!
Soccer aka association football is just one out of many rulesets for football
British imperial units and US customary units were actually both codified after American independence! Both British imperial and US customary units are derived from earlier English customary units. We made some agreements to harmonise our two systems over time so that we were at least using the same pound and yard, because we weren't before, but somehow volume units escaped this
Ironically we did sort of hamper your early efforts at metrication completely unintentionally; British pirates (privateers, more accurately) captured the French ship that happened to be carrying standards for the metric system across the Atlantic to you
Either way, Brits definitely shouldn't make fun of anyone for their system of measurement, because the only thing worse than a non-metric system is using some cursed half-and-half Frankenstein mashup of both metric and non-metric
¿Por qué no los dos? Personally tired of these primarily online binary semantic arguments. Gif, jif, football, soccer, fútbol, pineapple, ananas, eggplant, aubergine. We contain multitudes, celebrate these absolutely arbitrary differences.
No.
Them other folks need to learn themselves to talk proper.
"When you go to the pearly gates, call them 'Jod ' and see how it works out for you" was my favourite response to the gif/jif debate.
(Oddly enough Jif is an abrasive bathroom cleaner / was a lemon juice brand where I'm from (or vice versa) it was renamed to Cif to stop people from suing the companies because they added cream cleaner to their lemon meringue pie)
Obviously, It’s pronounced ‘Jif’ like in ‘Jorge’
Jif is my jod.
Jif you say so
Blame the British, Oxford specifically, and their penchant to name things ending in -er. They're the ones that named it, and they hide from that fact now as if they were never a part of it.
https://www.history.com/articles/why-do-some-people-call-it-soccer
Both the American and rest of the world versions of their respective ball games are played on foot, as opposed to polo that is played riding a horse. The latter was originally invented by Ralph Lauren, as commemorated in ubiquitous t-shirts with a gentlemanly collar.
Why do people still wear Lacoste if no one plays gatorball anymore?
I thought it was an anthropomorphous pickle!
Speak for yourself, I've been handcrafting the only gatorballs strong enough to survive their bite strength for years!
The full name is Association Football with Soccer being appropriate the Oxford vernacular abbreviation.
It's interesting how different aspects of US culture can trace its roots back to England.
The arrow is pointing to his shin though?
Good Ole shinball
It's almost like arrows point.. in a direction. You may find in your life that arrows are indicating toward things that are not directly touching the end.
Football just means a game played on foot, as opposed to on horse.
I don't think so... basically that would mean every sport could/should be called "football"...
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Basketball = played on foot, not horse therefore football
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Volleyball = played on foot, not horse therefore football
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Baseball = no horse, football again
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Hockey = believe it or not, football... maybe skate ball?
I am kidding of course, it seems nobody really knows and the 2 main theories are the one you mentioned (on foot, not on horse) vs kicking of a ball with your foot (and not your hand)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_(word)#Etymology
I barely know her
IDK why we changed it from Gridiron. That shit sounds way cooler.
Frankly, all of the different football games should get a proper name like that. Gridiron and rugby (both union and league) are both great names. You can call them gridiron football or rugby football if you want to be formal. Soccer is basically the same idea, being a shortening of association football. Now we just need counterparts for Australian and Gaelic
ankle ball
It's only soccer if they forget to wear their boots
Shoeball or kick ball! Obviously Americans play football with their real feet. So it's football 🏈😂
They call their game American football and then they carry the ball in hands for like 99% of the time...
They actually just call it football
In Canada we call "ice hockey" "hockey" and the former manages to irritate me every time, even though I don't actually care at all about hockey.
I get that. It's like calling it "Old Mexico" because New Mexico exists. Nah man, it's just Mexico
Most version of football are actually carried by hand. Rugby league, Rugby Union, Gridiron, Gaelic, Australian and International, all allow carrying the ball. Soccer is actually the black sheep of the football family.
USAians are the only Americans who don't know this.
Everyone forgets that soccer is oxford slang for Association Football. So in a weird way, USAians call it football too :/
I'm pretty sure most Americans know everyone else calls it football
The last time I talked to an American they weren't sure if Canada was part of their country or not. I'm not confident in them being able to understand anything beyond what they can see.
soccer is what YOU call it. we didn't come up with that name, check Wikipedia you ignorant turd.
Called it. And what some of us did. You're right that both names originate in the UK, but soccer was always limited to some dialects and is very rare to hear at all in the UK now
We call it football. Can't help that USAians are stuck in the past.
I think the English speaking Canadians fall into this trap too. Hopefully they will learn after hosting the world cup 🙏
