at least you can wear forced air respirators for working with fumes

there's a couple of jobs where you get to do both!

None of you have gotten high off acetone fumes and it shows

Alternative path: become an online grifter, make millions from being a degenerate, eventually get outed as a pedophile, convert to Christianity/Islam, profit!

Ahh the Russell Brand pipeline

They're just the simplest options. Just do something until you're better than everybody else at it and sell your skills. Easy? Yes. Time consuming? Also yes. Worth it? Absolutely.

literally survivorship bias

And then get no jobs because lack of recommendation/bad market/AI, etc..

Don't underestimate the health risk of sitting.

Yeah but “just stand occasionally” is much easier than “don’t breath or get anything on your skin for 40 years”

While this is true, the risks from sitting pale in comparison to the risks of industrial work. Also, they can be easily mitigated. You can't mitigate the damage done in an industrial setting much.

fr. I have issues because of this, even though I've incorporated a standing desk for a decade.

you gotta actually move to make up for a sedentary job

I worked construction and plant shutdowns when I was young. By the time I was in my mid twenties I had quit and went in to IT. The reason was simple. During my time in a union over ten of the old timers had died of cancer and other related illnesses. Only one of them was in their sixties. Over half were under forty. One of the best friends I will ever have died when he was fifty four. A month or so shy of when he was going to take early retirement.

When I was a student, I wasn't really motivated and didn't have any idea what to do with my life. But then I worked as a window cleaner during the summer holidays and that gave me a very clear idea about what I didn't want to do with my life.

Sort of related, in my last year and a half of HS I started a commercial electrician assistant program which was supposed to be like an accelerated apprenticeship path. I kind of liked it, and it legitimately the best pay available to a 17 year old at the time, but it was the master electrician I worked with who convinced me to quit and go get an EE degree instead. I distinctly remember the conversation where he asked me how old I thought he was, and I guessed he was close to 60, nearing retirement. He was 43, and he'd fallen off a ladder a year earlier, which was why I was doing all work over 8' for him way fucking beyond what your typical HS assistant would normally be doing. "Go to college" he told me. "I chose this instead of Mechanical Engineering and now I can't do the job anymore, with 20 years to retirement."

This is not a very convincing argument anymore: with AI, there'll only one path left soon. And it's not the one where you sit on your ass in front of a computer all day.

Llms can't even do math. And odds on them figuring that "highly complicated" technology out before the bubble bursts seems low.

It's crazy that no one has integrated them with a graphing calculator, spreadsheets, symbolic logic software, etc., in order to increase their deterministic reasoning capacity.

Like, human brains aren't just the language centers, so I don't know why the people trying to build an analogue haven't done more than merely trying to make the linguistic capacity more complex...

I mean the poster above you is wrong, they use math tools internally now when you ask math questions. Very obvious in Gemini. Yes the raw LLM trying to autocomplete the answer to a math problem is gonna be wrong but that’s not the way they are used to solve problems like that anymore.

no way i’d want to drive on a bridge built on their supposed math

The LLM has to choose to use the calculating tools. Gemini tried to do this one solo:

4 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 1+ 2 + 0 = 15

Tbf, it did four of these calculations, and 75% were correct.

That makes sense. I clearly don't keep up on the frontier models...

Some of them write and execute Python internally for stuff like that

It doesn't matter what LLMs can and can't do well: all they have to do is do stuff a person does well enough for the price of the tokens they consume to make that person's occupation vanish if it's cheaper - and it almost always is. The metric companies use is cost, not quality. Because that's how capitalism works.

The bills are coming in now and much like all other cloud computing, it suddenly becomes much more expensive to do anything useful once you are dependent on it

It’s so easy to sucker capitalists with labor replacement schemes

I also like folks mentality that "once they see the real price of AI everything will be back to normal". As if the very same companies didn't get baited into becoming dependent on American cloud service providers like AWS to find themselves later paying out the fucking ass for them once they are dependent on them. Guess what ? THEY ARE STILL PAYING FOR IT, after more than a decade of being swindled. They will do the same with AI.

I would be ok with robots taking our jobs if you could trust governments to pay us the taxes they charge the robots.

According to Startrek you need a deadly riot first before that happens.

You can 3d print a whole house with one technician nowadays even. So that’s not even true anymore.

What about being a porn actor?

That’s covered by the “toxic fumes” part

AI can do that as well now. Anything digital or with computers is out now.

So off to the mines for as all. For our glorious overlords, of course.

Live performances

Yeah we’ll just have naked people in our house willing to have sex with us, take that AI!

…oh wait

Sounds like an improvement to me.

Since short clips are popular, maybe I have a chance...

No, AI will take that to.

Don't worry people will pay to watch irl.

Some Days (most) I'd rather be a bricklayer than work with computers

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