Men are more attractive than women? Have you seen women?

in addition to every other "thought" here being wrong and stupid, it especially irritates me when people assign / conflate sexual dimorphic phenotypes/behaviors from highly divergent species to backstop their own bullshit. it's part of the jordan peterson playbook and it's about as scientific as "cats are girls" / "dogs are boys".

it's one thing to put on a silly "fascinator" type of hat and say "i'm peacocking". that's a shorthand we can all understand. but it's something else to say "this bird is performing x and that is scientifically analogous to some specific baggage i carry about humans." they're fucking BIRDS. it's a completely different class and they are on a completely distinct sex-determination system that has its own chromosome pairing.

it's not XX = female bird, XY = male bird. it's ZW. and it's oppositional to the XY system. the homogametic ZZ is the "male" bird, and the heterogametic ZW is the egg-laying "female"| bird. further, in birds the ovum (not the sperm) determines the sex of offspring. the male/female binary is something we place on ourselves and other species to make the world conform to our need for simple patterns upholding a primitive self-understand that does not challenge established power.

I’m so fucking tired of stupid shit and I’m so tired of it being promoted and enabled. I’m not trying to be ableist but I am at my breaking point with the increasing concentration of dumbassery propagating around me, from well fed, healthy people with access to unlimited resources.

At some point one needs to be slapped, at the least. You CANNOT just make stupid shit up about people, things, concepts. Use your fucking brain, string thoughts together, be rational you stupid piece of shit.

what is the name for a type of post that states a sincerely held belief formatted as ragebait while inviting mockery (insisting on not being gay just makes people call you gay) for further engagement? im tired of these asshats thinking they're some sort of evil algo genius, they're just assholes.

The peacock example manages to be stupid even on it's own terms, how do the females get mogged? It's the other peacock dudes gettin' mogged so you get the girl(s)

Why are you, as a man, not wearing bright colors while singing and dancing to attract a mate?

fellas, is it gay to think women are pretty?

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It's so funny when dudes like this try to use an argument from nature, especially around sexual dimorphism.

The vast majority of animal life in Earth are non-mammals. Of those that show sexual dimorphism, the female is usually larger than the male. fish, insects, a good number of birds, a good number of lizards all have larger females. Even in mammals you still have some examples of larger, impressive females like hyenas, although admittedly much rarer than in other clades.

The angler fish in particular is pretty interesting, in a creppy way. The angler fish with the big scary teeth and the little light on its head? All of those are female. The males are tiny and latch onto the females where they are absorbed into her flesh. Yeah, gross.

Since this stinky cockroach man is using birds as an example of human masculinity for some reason, let's compare humans to birds for a second.

Sexual dimorphism in birds is all over the place, in owls the females are sometimes larger and more richly colored, however like with lizards there are many cases where the males are larger (Fowl for example, although human selective breeding has exaggerated this for farming and ornimental breeding).

So yes in birds (particularly the likes of pheasants and birds of paradise) there are many examples of colorful birds that try to catch the attention of opposite sex with bright colors, accessories, dancing and so on. There are vulture species that use iron dust or mud to dye their feathers rusty red, one of the only examples of make up use seen outside of humans (although both sexes of vultures do this).

But wait a minute. Dancing? Make up? Bright colors? Isn't that what these trad guys think should be the traditional role of women to perform? Cockroach man hardly has the glam of a male peacock or cardinal? And traditional western femininity is hardly as drab as a peahen. What is he even talking about? Why aren't you wearing lipstick in that case, roach boy?

Using birds to prove the so called rigid natural roles of male and female becomes even more ridiculous when you consider that even in examples where males are larger and more flashy than females, you have things like chickens, who's females change gender, grow spurs, crow and take on the social role usually taken by a rooster if they feel like it, the term alpha was originally coined to describe hens.

The right are clowns who oversimplify these very complex systems for personal gain. They anthropomorphize and deify processes that are diverse and that we don't fully understand enough to ascribe grand purpose to. Anyone who tries is more often than not trying to project their own "everything has to be part of a big mystical plan" brainworms that in the case of westerners were probably inherited from Christian extremists and 1900s eugenicists, the stink of which never truely left Anglo education.

Yeah if you can't tell I hate how much people make assumptions about nature because 99% of it is vibes based, outdated half-knowledge gained through cultural osmosis rather than what the actual research has shown us. It doesn't help that the even in academic settings the natural world and research into the life of animals is plagued by outdated societies projecting their outdated ideals onto animals (for exame a Queen bee acts nothing like a human Queen, does not act as a superior to the workers bees in any way and more akin to a brood mare than a ruler. But that idea that a Queen bee is the bee with the highest status still persists)

Ah yes, the famously hetero-sexual Greeks.

Perhaps sucking dick sometimes might save you from becoming an IRL goblin

I should try being stupid as fuck for money too

If you've ever wondered what happens to a man who has been owned, this is what emerges from the corn cob.

Well damn I guess he showed us about that whole “being a cretinous dumbass” thing he was being accused of

You've heard of going far enough left to get your guns back? Welcome to the right's equivalent: going far enough right that you get your gays back

The kind of shit I thought about when I was literally six years old. "How come male birds and fish must be pretty and colorful but in humans it's women the ones wearing makeup?"

My mom blew my little preschool mind when she said women are attracted to men they think look good

Replying to UbermenschenMind

The "asmon gets no pussy" comment really got to him

Ass Man Gold

Zack is an LLM? a gay one?

Why's he talking about birds 😭

So what’s his excuse then?

Love 2 get my science facts from a superstitious cave gremlin

Female birds are drab looking because they need to stay camouflaged while tending to the nest. Males are flashy because they usually only contribute genetic material and take no part in the rearing of young, so appearance is their only contribution to mating

Edit: sometimes