manufacturing distraction
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lumpenproletariat
Memes of Productionhttps://archive.org/details/inventingrealit100pare/page/n1/mode/1up
I'm pretty sure that Parenti hated anarchists ... but I would unironically rather read a book by someone who hates me than an unrepentant Epstein affiliate. (And also, Chomsky would also hate me because even with the most charitable reading, he's a turbolib wearing a skin suit sewn from the hide of an anarcho-syndicalist.)
I would unironically rather read a book by someone who hates me than an unrepentant Epstein affiliate
Parenti has his own skeletons, like his staunch defense of Serbian genocidal fascists. Something he has in common with Chomsky.
Both books can be valuable.
What's wrong with Manufacturing Consent ? I found it very insightful on how the US has been doing all kinds of shit that they keep accusing everyone else of. It's also helpful in recognising the same patterns in other media and other countries.
Chomsky is paid opposition, to deliver a softer message. He was also friend with Epstein.
And Chomsky admitted that he didn't have much of a hand in writing it either
wait hang on, i thought we were discrediting the book
That fact doesn't exactly add any credibility to it and just underlines it was promoted over Parenti superior work by attaching the nonces best pals name to it
nonce's*, pal's*🙇🏼♂️
They're not saying anything is wrong with it, just that there's even better stuff. Insert "look what they need to mimic a fraction of our power" meme.
cc @bestbouclettes@jlai.lu @Deceptichum@quokk.au
Fair !
Chomsky is/was Epstein's friend and in regular contact
Yeah I know about that, but I'm talking about the book itself and the ideas inside
I'm sure they'll make up sooner or later
An international (English speaking) socialist Lemmy community free of the “ML” influence
Really free of ML influence?
Meh. Just because a ML said it doesn't mean it's wrong. I.e., anarchists can still read Marxist or even ML literature as long as we read it critically, with care for the statist cognitive biases inherent in their foundations.
Also... the thought of Deceptichum in particular being is a secret ML is absolutely fucking hilarious 😆. Like nah, wrong user.
Also… the thought of Deceptichum in particular being is a secret ML is absolutely fucking hilarious 😆. Like nah, wrong user.
Yeah not saying that. Just motivating people to read tankie literature in a community that claims to be not influenced by ML is worth pointing out to me.
Just because a ML said it doesn’t mean it’s wrong. I.e., anarchists can still read Marxist or even ML literature as long as we read it critically, with care for the statist cognitive biases inherent in their foundations.
Agree on the first part. Second part is IMO missing fron the meme.
Fair on both points 😀
pretty sure tankies in threadiverse have nothing to do with ML theory.
I lean black simply because I am aware disabilities persist, and vanguarding is required until we are all reenabled. Until we are all empowered, none are.
vanguarding is required until we are all reenabled
I mean I'm autistic and I don't need nor want a vanguard. Hierarchical power structures like vanguards are especially dangerous for people like me, because they provide a positive feedback mechanism for people already at the top of the power dynamic. And it kinda doesn't sit right to me that my existence as an autistic person, my disability, is why we "need" a vanguard party. Maybe I'm missing something?
Disabilities≢disorders.
Explain to me how can I empower people with paraplegia, comatose, dys/agraphia, dys/apraxia, amputation, aphasia, dysarthria, agnosia, etc..
Disabilities≢disorders.
Autism is absolutely a disability by any reasonable definition of disability. (ASAN is autistic self-advocacy, i.e. these are autistic people speaking about our lived experience.)
Explain to me how can I empower people with paraplegia, comatose, dys/agraphia, dys/apraxia, amputation, aphasia, dysarthria, agnosia, etc.
We would have to ask them (or for the comatose person, whomever is responsible for their medical decisions) for what they need to be included in the community, and then act on it. In general, we can apply the same anarchist principles of freedom, horizontalness, non-domination, continuous consent, dignity, and inclusivity to our projects.
Like I'm not saying to never look out for anyone ever. Of course, we sometimes do need to stand up for people to defend them when they're down. I'm pushing back against vanguardism, the Leninist institutionalization of professional "revolution" that never seems to morph into communism as promised.
whomever is responsible for their medical decisions
that is a vanguard.
horizontalness, non-domination, continuous consent
Vanguardism.
Leninist institutionalization of professional “revolution” that never seems to morph into communism as promised
Nurses and doctors are institutionalized professionals vanguarding people to morph into better healthier versions of what you couldn't do alone.
If you have someone you can rely on, better yet, someone you use as support, you have a vanguard. Realizing how vanguarding is how we grow as mammals, is realizing some institutions are more corrupt than other hierarchical mammals.
I try to lean in empowerment and enabling you to do what you wish.
Not strip you off your desires, needs, and wishes.
The problem with vanguardism isn't that there are people who protect/stand up for others, it's that it inevitably institutionalizes those people into positions of power over those others. Nurses, caregivers, etc. aren't "supposed" to have power over their patients, but they very often do. Humans are already good at protecting and supporting each other--no need to risk creating a power differential by forming a designated vanguard to rigidify it.
it inevitably institutionalizes those people into positions of power over those others.
Yep, are still trying find a solution for this quandary
Nurses, caregivers, etc. aren’t “supposed” to have power over their patients, but they very often do.
Welcome to the mammalia Class. As a minor, did you consent to your caregivers’ care methods? Were you allowed to adult? Get educated?
no need to risk creating a power differential by forming a designated vanguard to rigidify it.
I just see it as Mammals protecting the next generation to make better outcomes. But there has to be a point when we relent that power to the generation we raised, so they are empowered to the same to their children. When that is, neuroscience says 25-29 for female brain, 30-35 males.
I feel like there's a disagreement on the definition of vanguardism. I didn't know it exactly, so i looked it up on Wikipedia and AnarWiki, and i get from those that a key element of the "strict" (leninist) definition is that it applies to a whole society rather than individual cases, and that it requires a minority of educated people to guide a mass of uneducated people, implying that the uneducated masses can take no part in it.
What you describe as one on one relations would seem to fall more under general "solidarity" than vanguardism to my eyes.
Also, vanguardism is by this definition not horizontal, neither consensual.
Feel free to correct my uneducated ass, but with the knowledge i have, it seems that you are using a much wider definition of vanguardism than the original one.
requires a minority of educated people to guide a mass of uneducated people, implying that the uneducated masses can take no part in it.
Whan are minors?
vanguardism is by this definition not horizontal, neither consensual.
How do you intersect the unable to empower themselves? Like minors?
wider definition of vanguardism than the original one.
I am taking indeed a holistic approach to our species vanguarding the next generation of us. Do you think there are more older educated people than the non-educated?
pretty sure tankies in threadiverse have nothing to do with ML theory.
I disagree. Many share important ideological things such as democratic centralism and many use the same talking points offline MLs use to defend their favorite states. In practice they also always seem to fall back to ML approaches when asked about what to do.
I'm pretty sure tankies in threadiverse haven't read any theory ml or otherwise
Damn, I'm having an identity crisis. Am I a dogmatist who reads theory and blindly accepts everything I read, or do I not read theory at all 🤔
Do you actually have any reason for thinking that we don't read theory, btw, or is this just another case of, "They're bad anyway so it's fine to just make up whatever about them?"
You're a dogmatist who blindly accepts general vibes and cargo cults shit you half overheard from people who are wrong or you've been outside and I'm not talking about you but I don't think that's the case given this comment
"Dogmatically accept a general vibe" is a new one for me. It's a very funny example of how comically baseless your criticisms are. So obsessed with shitting on us about every single thing that you can't even keep things straight. Won't let us have a single positive quality even to keep your story straight.
Let me repeat my precious question: is there anything about the "general vibe" I supposedly follow that actually deviates from the theory I supposedly haven't read? Do you actually have any reason to think we don't read theory, or are you just shitting on us in every possible way you can concieve of, with no basis in reality?
No they do read, especially crap such as Engels On Authority
bruv, reread what I commented.
We can seize the memes of Marx-Leninism without praxing the acts.
Black anarchism is ML praxis, but more about empowering each other, than excommunicating people for contrivances.
e.g. Blåhaj is an ML instance, but Nexus Ancap.
This doesn't mean they need to defederate and gulag each other.
Hmm maybe we are just not getting each other. I feel like I precisely replied to a part of your comment, but you seem to think I really missed the point.
Black anarchism is ML praxis
To me this doesnt make sense, and from a hlance your links dont seem to be able to explain that to me. Doesnt mean its not there, just that I dont get it. I connect ML praxis with hierarchical, authoritarian and exclusionary organizing and I dont see that really reflected in your link.
e.g. Blåhaj is an ML instance, but Nexus Ancap.
I wouldnt describe those instances with those words, but I think we also just use them differently
I connect ML praxis with hierarchical, authoritarian and exclusionary organizing and I dont see that really reflected in your link.
Thoust needs more reading.
MLs are horizontal, vanguardian and inclusionary when organizing. They just are more aware some folks excel at vanguarding better than direct actors, aiders, intersecters, solidarity, etc. etc.. Not everyone is Superman, but I can definitively trust Lois Lane can get her hands on the list of the Legion of Doom’s secret addresses, or say Superboy intersecting with many people in a rally. Awareness of how people excel at other things over other things is just being aware people are different. And MLs accept those facts are real, and need to be accounted when organizing anything.
We are no longer going to talk about tankies, I pray.
I wouldnt describe those instances with those words, but I think we also just use them differently.
I exemplified praxis over meming. The rules are in place for actual enforcements. “Influence” here meaning actually mimicking Joseph Stalin for enforcing his views over all. e.g. “I would hate to gulag you for ‘wrongthink’”
Porque no los dos?
Got links? I only knew those as communities on lemmy I see passing by on all, there's things to read?
Link to Inventing Reality by Parenti - Didnt read it, so dont know how useful it actually is. Maybe someone could post their key takeaways
Link to Manufacturing Consent by Herman and Chomsky - Didnt read it, but once watched a pretty animation on YT that hopefully explained the mechanism well. Be aware that Chomsky has been in contact with Epstein, as far as I am aware decades after the book got first published.
that’s the 1986 ed.. Anna already has the 2022ed..
Thats a good addition to my link, especially the updated version.
But I think only linking Annas Archive would not be as accessible because it is/was DNS blocked in certain countries, has often changed domains (and might do so in the future) and requires people to download something. Internet Archive lets people read directly in their browser, thats why I like it. Even more I would have liked to link the anarchist library, but I didn't find those books there.
I linked the🧲, precisely to evade DNS altogether. There are comic readers that can read straight from a magnet URI, without download nothing. All in RAM. IA will soon cease.
I think Magnet Links are even less accessible tho. Still really cool, but really not the way I would try to make cool books available to as many people as possible, especially when I dont know how technical they are and how they are using Lemmy.
took me longer manually writing out the exact file of Anna’s bulk🧲
I get "error opening link" in boost for your first link
I have 3×🔗s. The 🧲 is manually typed: there’s yet to be a bittorrent client that perfectly isolates an exact file from a bulk “folder📁.”
CX 2×checked, that's the correct IH. Selecting aacid__ia2_acsmpdf_files__20240126T082328Z__TQcMVdahTbRzwqAt3JE2fU is just too difficult for boost.
Ah okay, didn't realize it was a torrent link, thanks!
https://archive.org/details/david-mcgowan-programmed-to-kill
