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Can't believe I used to like that shit when I was younger.
Althouuuugh, maybe you could save it if you made it a satire. Sort of a 'Americans are so propagandized by muh rugged individualism' that society collapses into fragmented groups and the rare community (usually an eeeeeevil community run by a comically evil warlord that nobody has taken out for, reasons? Never mind that even old timey Pirates killed overbearing captains all the time).
Anyway, I haven't thought about this series for like a decade but zombie movies have been in my head and man, 99% of them suck. It's a shame if you know the history of the genre.
everyday i wake up and get to be so glad that steven yeun has been freed from the shackles of bad zombie show, like now he's doing so much cool acting in things that are actually good, we love to see it.
One-trick-pony zombies are fine for movies but fail when the format is a series
This is why the Walking Dead despite having a interesting cast of characters, just runs out of steam halfway through (both the show and the comic) the zombies are just fucking boring, there's only so much you can do with shambling automations that fall apart at a light breeze
This is why 'We're Alive' or something like Dying Light are superior in storytelling potential; the zombies are a constantly evolving threat, in 'We're Alive' every other chapter introduces a new form of zombie, each more bizarre than the last, forcing the character to constantly reevaluate their survival habits and adjust accordingly
It preserves the "figuring it out" aspect that makes the zombie genre so much fun in the first place, the mystery and horror doesn't fade into the background, it's alive and playing checkers or chess with the characters and constantly reintroducing the zombies in new forms
(both the show and the comic) the zombies are just fucking boring, there's only so much you can do with shambling automations that fall apart at a light breeze
I will say I was pretty disappointed when the talking zombies turned out to just be people. I was thinking they really spiced it up
Another thing 'We're Alive' did better: the "talking" zombies really were TALKING zombies, and it was far more terrifying in its presentation and consequences
What, you don't like AMC's The Walking Dead: Daryl Dixon: The Book of Carol? I was really hoping they'd get another main character and have to tag them in the title as well.
(it's not great, though it's decent background noise, and not the worst stab at a Tour of European Cliches with Zombies - far more functional communities as well. Many episodes are basically just the cowboys coming into town and saving it from the evil sheriff)
The show was meh, but the games are fantastic and I'll hear no more on it
..Well aye, I'll admit some of the plotlines weren't the best. But they didn't nearly as heavily rely on "one comically evil guy" as the show. For the most part I felt the characters were decently fleshed out.
The mechanic I adored is one you rarely see in games - you were actually incentivised to try and understand characters' motivations because it helped you make effective decisions. Super fun.
I had frequent moments where a character didn't help, my immediate response was "Fuck you why", but then you actually realise they do have other aspects of their life, peer pressure or ideology or family or trauma, that factor in. And then a lot of decisions (though certainly not all) feel like they were pretty realistic ones. Or sometimes a big factor is just that they're awful at making decisions (looking at you Arvo).
A friend and I compared two very interestingly different experiences in the first game. I absolutely DESPISED Kenny, he was an asshole and an obstacle at every fucking juncture, basically borderline trying to kill me. Whereas my friend LOVED him, Kenny helped him in every situation, put his life on the line to help, etc. Turns out Kenny was just very loyalty/grudge-oriented - if he likes you, he's constantly on your side. If he doesn't, he'll go out of his way to be an ass. I definitely know real-life people like that.
Alriiiight I was maybe a little harsh but being dramatic is fun heh
don't you dare come at Lee and Clementine
I actually like Lee
Fuck Kenny tho
Kenny's main positive character trait is the fact that his initial opposition is Worst-Boomer-Ever and his asshole daughter, and that's basically it as far as positive character traits go.
I decided I like the first game when the little girl denied licking the salt lick. That was the only genuinely good moment in it in retrospect.
All the later games suck and the series absolutely sucks too, though the first season is okay. The exact moment it becomes unsalvageable garbage is when they spend a whole episode trying to lift a water-logged zombie out of a well to then somehow still use that well.
Human history is littered with comically evil tyrants who nobody takes out. that's sadly the most believable part.
The show about a dickhead cop who goes to various places and makes them worse
I always hated it
You just reminded me that the very first episode opens with the main character giving and example of the difference between men and women being that women be heartless and cruel and that viewpoint is never challenged really
The show could've been interesting but AMC ratfucked Frank Darabont, so unfortunately we aren't getting anything interesting, but we also aren't going to make the comics 'cause robert kirkman's stuff needs a lot of work to remove all the slurs and incel garbage, so let's just make the same 3 episodes of TV for a decade instead
Kuuuuurrrrrrlllllllllll!!!
Coral!
Yeah, zombie movies and media always have this inability to imagine people working together to protect themselves beyond very tiny groups, because I guess a story about people working together and rebuilding society would be "boring" or something.
TWD is set in America so I think the show is pretty accurate on this stuff.
For TV and Film its that they'd have to pay more people.
yeah its also why in the fallout show they just sorta make every community just shit on themselves.
Or in the NCR case just get nuked with the same tone as that "nuke megaton cuz its ugly lol" quest in fallout 3
Check out The Passage book series.
I'm a bit of a sucker for the classic zombie fiction setup (in spite of how problematic It is) but there has at least been better indie Zombie fiction in recent years since the Walking Dead hype started to pass.
It hit a lot of the usual beats, but I liked Blood Quantum a few years ago and it has a different social dynamic setup which is interesting.
Similarly, but with a different vibe, I liked The Girl With All The Gifts. The Japanese movie One Cut Of The Dead is a fun twist. But you're probably best going into those two without knowing too much about them.
Couldn't make it through the first season. No idea why this show got so big.
I like the Telltale games and the comics Also I liked that the Main Walking Dead Telltale games all featured main PoC chars which was honestly kinda rare back when they launched.
Valid. I just personally can't look past the stuff that personally bugs me
Yeah Im not pretending they are high art and I cant speak for the show. But the telltale games with Lee (Black) and Clementine (biracial) are both from an era where that felt kinda rare (I mean it still is overall but back then even moreso) .Plus I think both chars are legit fun and good chars so that helps.
I can understand fatigue when it comes to anything with Zombies though . But that was even worse back in ye olden days.
Lee is awesome, legit carried that game
I like the first season but it was rapidly downhill from there. It helps that it focused on a larger community I think
The first episode was good
The only zombie movie I really really like is Day of the Dead. That movie slaps. Zombies are boring af and I was over the trend by a few years when walking dead came around, it felt dated to me then, zombies are mid 2000s.
Martin is the best Romero movie and its not even close
dead rising is peak zombie vidya (I've covered wars, you know)
dead rising 1-2 as far as I know is far less a "human nature bad circlejerk" and more corpos/america bad which is far more enjoyable
Ive been on a youtube binge abour Dead Rising recently, made me wish there was a way to get the original version of the first for the pc
I liked the comics, much prefer the storyline over the show
The pacing is better in book form, too. I think one of the problems the show ran into is each season is a year apart from the previous season. In the comics, for example, they're in Atlanta for like a month, the farm for another month, then find the prison within the first six months of the apocalypse. By the time the war with the Governor takes place, it's been less than a year. On the show, this was like five seasons.
The reestablished DC area with Alexandria, Hilltop, the Kingdom, and Sanctuary, the war with Negan, and the aftermath IIRC all happens within three years of the initial apocalypse. Then there's the time skip, encountering the Whisperers, and finally the Commonwealth. The total time elapsed from events before the comic (the initial outbreak/Rick's coma) to overthrowing the Commonwealth's power structure takes place over 1,950ish days, or 5 years and three months.
Like the Syrian Civil War lasted longer with just as many factions. Or the Russian Civil War. And these weren't globe-spanning disasters that left billions of people dead. But the show drags all this out over 11 seasons and a bunch of spin-offs. It feels tedious and unrealistic society wouldn't recoup in a decade. In the comic, on the other hand? They create a functional state free of undead with a justice system, healthcare, farming, and so on in less than six years.
