It's about the *option*
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MemesBig trucks and SUVs tend to be horrible off road
I would rather a old minivan
"Off road" pretty much always means "on crude roads," and this bothers me more than it should
Every person I've known that has a Jeep: I LOVE MY JEEP!
Me: You never have any problems with it?
Everyone: Oh yeah, all the time. But it's a JEEP!
Unironically this is just me with arch linux
Btw
Linux is fucking awesome. I can just fix so many of my problems in the terminal.
Like the Alfa Romeo loyalists in Europe. I'll admit the 156 and 159 series are still nice looking automobiles, but they are rolling junk.
I've got an '11 and have never had any problems.
Other than that classic front grill and round headlights ... those things are just glorified hatchbacks with a lift-kit
Glorified hatchbacks with a lift-kit and a cult.
I'm pretty sure my first gen Subaru Forester with a 1.5" lift has been in more fuckass places than 80% of jeeps ever sold.
My first car was a Nissan altima, I pulled apart to get running. I wanted to go off road at a friend's property, there's not much difficult terrain, like bouldering or anything, just bumpy and filled with potholes that catch cars every time they hosted large events.
I put a 2in lift kit on it, and after becoming confident it won't get stuck at my friends house, I got a winch that I could store in the trunk, an extra scissor jack, took that fucker to the woods and tried a few trails popular with jeeps and Subarus.
It's crazy what kind of stuff you can get up to if you don't care a ton about the car you're driving. Eventually put the extra stuff in my pickup, and that car slowly got used less and less until it blew a gasket into cyl 5 and I decided I didn't want to pull the entire engine apart a second time.
So has my Audi A6 Allroad, bone stock. Actually, I think I took my Chrysler 300M to places no shiny new grand cherokee will ever be taken and that's a low fwd sedan. People used to ask me if it's been lowered and I told them it was just the factory handling package.
Stock jeeps, besides the wrangler and that pickup thingy maybe, aren't much good off road anyway. Which is fine because nobody who buys a brand new vehicle goes off roading with it usually. The Grenadier folks may be an exception.
Stock jeeps, besides the wrangler and that pickup thingy maybe, aren’t much good off road anyway.
Eh, I'd add old XJ and ZJ models to that list of exceptions as well. Those things could do some shit. Not quite as good as the Wrangler, but they were also much more reasonable daily driver vehicles, too.
With the back seat folded up, the wrangler is a good daily as long as you're not commuting far.
I used to daily one, sure.
It's a usable daily, not sure I'd call it a good one. It's still highly compromised, poorly insulated, loud, prone to roof leaks, etc.
Mines 15 years old and I haven't experienced roof leaks, even in car washes. It is loud, not as loud as my MX-5 though. My biggest complaint with the jeep is driving on the highway when it's windy. That shit is scary AF.
You sound like me - my 20 year old "toy truck" has been offroad lots more that most of those garage queens (and looks it).
I don't look to go off road, sometimes it's just necessary to get somewhere like a neat campsite, and it can do it.
my 08 outback with no lift and my old 99 tercel base model have been more off-road than 80% of vehicles that people bought because they might need to drive down a maintained gravel road to a parking lot to start a hike
I backed over my neighbors' flower bed. Does that count?
I FUCKING HATE THIS GRILLE SO MUCH
My hybrid bike has seen more mud in the past month than most trucks will see in a lifetime.
"All the time!"
Welp, can't really prove it disprove the claim, so conversation over either way.
"WHAT? CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER YOUR LOUD OFF-ROAD TIRES ON PAVEMENT."
Oddly enough the only time I was heckled about driving a 4x4 in a city was when it was clean.
If I left the mud splatter on the wheel arches I never got heckled.
If you don't "look the part" then people will judge harshly regardless of how (in)capable you are at something.
Goes for a lot of things in life.
I don't wear a black hoodie to indicate that I know computer stuff, but it is remarkable how much more receptive non-techies are when I wear one. It's like a lab coat for computer doctors.
I never clean mine or have bothered fixing panel damages and paint scrapes. But I take the time to oil and fluid change every 5000 kms lol
It wasn't made to be pretty, it was made to be reliable and capable.
It's almost 100% off-roading but gets used as a back up car when the much more efficient and sensible one isn't available.
Because you're not, in fact, a pavement princess.
If I wash the mud off my truck I'm a pavement princess in the eyes of the public for the duration of the trip from the car wash back to the garage.
Jeep hasn't made a decent Jeep since 2004 now their just mom rides
Their mom rides what?
Their mom rides only indecent jeeps since 2004
The last TJ was 2006 but yeah everything after that hurts my soul.
Trying to get the 4 liter emissions compliant kids ruined the reliability of the late TJ's then there's the glass 6 speeds
JK is solid. 2012 got the better engine my my '11 has never had any problems. I know the engine will die on me at some point and I'll just have to swap. Hoping someone makes a kit to fit the hurricane in there by then.
Making 4 door Wranglers is really my biggest gripe. I also love the I-6 and them putting a minivan motor in the wrangler was easy to make fun of.
Yup, I can't stand the 4 door.
I have an 11 and it bangs, never had any problems with it either.
Oh yeah, well I have an invisible, waterproof, rocket tank with integrated toaster oven. Just so I have the option.
And they all have to have the stupid ducks and ugly body kits. They spend unreasonable amounts of money so they can look just like everyone else and on top of that it looks ugly AF.
I fucking hate people who display the ducks. I always just give mine to my kid.
Yeah, fuck people squeezing tiny amounts of joy into their lives!
I don't have a Jeep or care to do the duck thing if I did, but man...calm yo tits people lol
Because the rest of us get put in the same group. And this whole thread is about stereotyping, so I don't think it's out of order for a few jeep owners to vent their frustration of other jeep owners. Like, I get the stereotype, and I'm not arguing it, because it annoys me too. I'm the one being stereotyped because the hobby has been intruded on. And then the duck thing got picked up by all jeep models. I've seen base model brand new unmodded Cherokees with 30 ducks. I wouldn't take that more off-road than a gravel road. It's a mockery of the community.
Google once took me the back way up a mountain on a mild 4x4 trail while I was towing my 18' trailer with my 17 year old Toyota sequoia. I've not respected a jeep driver since
They're fun to drive, they just break incredibly easy in weird spots. Like the seatbelt holder/guide? Why would that break. We don't own one, but have rented a few of them when we go to Hawaii.
I'm sure they are fun to drive off road, but the only time I've been in wranglers has been pavement princesses and they are super uncomfortable and drive like steaming dog shit on paved roads
They're fun to drive on pavement too. They have good turning radius and they're fast. I wouldn't own one though, I think they'd be in the shop a lot.
Thats the Chrysler curse.
Well, if you're renting, you have no idea what the previous renters treated it like. Just remember, you're sharing a planet with idiots. They might have just been punching the seatbelt holder for no reason. And then you, not having that information, are like "why's the seatbelt holder broken?"
It was pretty fucking cheaply made. There were other things that were odd too, I just don't remember them all. I understand what you're saying though, especially in Hawaii. Even having taken that into account, there were some really odd, cheaply made decisions on jeep's part.
We don't own one
Translation: I own multiple cars
rented a few of them when we go to Hawaii.
Translation: Has disposable income enough to go on multiple trips to Hawaii
Sure? We live in Seattle, it's pretty cheap to go to Hawaii. I'm not sure of what you're trying to say, tbh.
I just don't like your class privilege being bandied about frivolously. You are in minority of people who could even come close to affording those things, and you don't seem to even care
Edit: Also, who is "we"? You and the mouse in your pocket? The royal we? Do you have multiple people using this account and commenting?
Oh fuck off, going on holiday is something plenty of people can afford.
Affordable to whom? People who have high enough paying jobs to actually save and are also able to take time off from work? That's "plenty" of people, sure. But they're all assholes. At least here in the U.S.
That's a very interesting way to view the world.
dude, you are talking to fricking Pele... have some respect. (also a really wierd take to complain about using "we", you could just assume that they are either talking about them or their family, who fecking cares?)
We do things very inexpensively in real life so we can afford to go to Hawaii every so often. We have super old cars so we can afford to go to Hawaii every so often. I know you're trolling, I just don't get why. Last comment.
I'm not trolling. Rich people just piss me off. Everybody else is doing things "very inexpensively" and and still not affording those trips.
This is middle class, nowhere close to rich. This is actually how most of the western world lives.
It sounds like you're a very bitter, miserable person to be honest.
Let me help you then.
- Hawaii flights from Seattle are less than going to anywhere else in the country, if you look for them on sale through Alaska or Hawaiian. Make sure you sign up for their miles account because that's how you get the deals.
- You can also find deals on small hotels or airbnb's (in Honolulu only) for very cheap if you get the ahead of time. You have to do everything at least 6 months in advance.
- I rent the cars usually through Costco and then watch them. Sometimes it goes down. If you rent on Costco, you can cancel at any time, so if you find a better price, take it. They also don't do the scammy shit if you do it through Costco.
- We eat out once and do lots of free shit, because Hawaii is awesome for free things to do if you like to hike or explore.
Personally I love options which is why I hate cars. I love having the option of having 25 different subway services despite mostly using one maybe two services. I love the high speed rail on the NEC even though I never use it, I love the LIRR, and I love metro north.
People still give dodge money 🤣
I live where being able to have the option to go off-road would be useful. But I took a Wrangler out for a test drive and it was like trying to fit in a Power Wheels. Thing was way too small for my tall ass. They didn't have the bigger one to check out at the dealer I went to. :(
I had a 1998 Jeep Wrangler. I'm 6 ft 6 in and and 255 lb. I fit in that pretty well. The box style cabin was very open and easy to get in and out of. Maybe it's different with the newer ones. I haven't tried one yet
I am the same height. I don't even remember what year make the one I tried was. I've always wanted one tho because they are actually well suited to off-road stuff and you can just take the doors and roof off to have a kick ass convertible.
You called them out so they just spent more, the meme tracks in many ways
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Real people having to go to real places in the mountains here just use the car they happen to have, usually a small and cheap one.
I remember when everyone made fun of getting a sports car or muscle car saying it was a way to compensate for a small dick.
I guess folks who drove jeeps wanted in on that particular segment of being made fun of and went hard into it.
Now those of us who do drive fast things are largely left in peace with our tiny peckers.
I'd be a lot more tolerant of people buying whatever they wanted if what they bought wasn't so goddamn offensive and dangerous
huge, loud, blinding headlights, blocks my view of the road, they always fucking pull up past the stop line so you can't see if it's safe to turn right on red, they have to hammer the gas to accelerate decently because they're massive, they can't fucking see anything around them because of blind spots and so they are always trying to back into people walking in parking lots, etc
Everyone should just get what makes them happy and ignore the weird shaming for driving anything other than a standard beige sedan.
Fast cars, off-road cars, big cars, small cars, electric cars, big trucks, custom wrapped/painted cars, ducked out jeeps, w/e.
What's wrong with a standard beige sedan?
Infiniti M37x is a delightful beige sedan. Big comfy, quiet, a delight in so many ways.
...you posted the meme 🤣
I figure it's mostly in good fun, just banter. You know, like jokes about your cutting edge gaming PC being used for retro games.
Damn beige sedans! they ruined beige sedans!
I agree in principle, but I do think people should be shamed for endangering others because they want to feel cool. Large SUVs and trucks are much more dangerous to pedestrians and cyclists and such than normal cars.
Sports cars aren't inherently more dangerous for others unless you fuck with them or drive like a cock.
There are still pressing environmental reasons to shame people for driving very inefficient cars when they don't need one.
Yeah, I agree on the larger environmental goals and necessity. I suppose what I'm getting at is more of the part that feels like normative pressure and shaming eccentricities. As in, the same thing that has contributed to car colors becoming more and more bland over the years too. There's a pressure for conformity that pushes people back into their box when they stick a toe out.
I don't think it's weird for people who are pedestrians, have children, or care about the environment we live in to have some pretty strong opinions on this. Your choice to drive a big ass truck has a real implications for other people that didn't get to play a part in that decision.
no one has ever asked me this of my 92, prob do to the 100's of dents and missing paint.
My buddy has a 2010 Rubicon that’s been kicking ass in backwoods Connecticut, which he uses a lot to get back back-and-forth to work, and includes some offroading (he is ag-staff at some fancy person’s country estate). He absolutely adores it.
Edit: at its current age and use level, plus annual CT registration/emission specs, it’s a lot of maintenance, but he pays it gladly)
my legs can reach all sorts of places lol, no need to bring a giant piece of metal with me
Sometimes people want (or need) to reach places faster and easier, while hauling more stuff. And, yes, there are other options -- bikes, motorbikes, horses, etc -- that could also reach places faster and haul more stuff ... but in many cases, the off-road car can still get there faster than those and/or haul more stuff.
I do agree that most of the time, off-road cars are dumb. But in the rare niche situation that you actually need one, it's really great at what it does. (And while it's ridiculous that so many people who don't need them buy them anyway and thus get less efficient, less practical cars than they really need ... it's still good that the off-road cars exist for the few who actually do need them.)
There's also a disability aspect to consider. Yes, your legs can reach all sorts of places ... but there are other people whose legs are, unfortunately, not so capable. For those people, an off-road car can give them access to more places where they'd otherwise never be able to go.
And then there's snow. For people living in places with lots of snow, but also too rural to have reliable snow plowing, a vehicle with some decent off-road capability might be the only transportation they can feasibly use for significant portions of the year.
True... except maybe
places with lots of snow; no reliable snow plowing
People have dag tunnels under snow whenever tall enough. And then they just walk. People usually use Kamchatka, Russia as an example of that, but it happens in other areas as well. Well, that's the extreme; normally once again people just walk on top. If you are careful enough, you can avoid getting snow in your shoes even when stepping on loose snow. Most of the time you don't even have to deal with that because (at least where I live) people just silently all agree to shovel out snow on sidewalks they own. On city/company/nobody owned property, "desire paths" of sorts appear rather quickly. Personally saw lots of cyclists on snow, and actually much less cars for obvious reasons.
Well, all of that assuming you are not in north america lul
And what do the disabled people do when the only way to get anywhere is to trudge through the snow?
