Data is BeautifulWHOA 64% to 29% of democrats.
Holy shit.
That's the headline right there.
That 47% are fucking delusional.
Decline in upwards social mobility in the US (The very first graph is pretty illustrative)
I suspect almost all of those 47% are the old people who grew up when it was still the case for most people that they could actually improve their lot in life if the worked hard. That has worsened over time for decades and is not at all the case for the younger generations.
It's been a lie ever since they ended the Homesteading Act.
Interesting how minorities believed it more then whites before, but now that has collapsed.
I guess 2016 was the height of the Obama era and there was still the slightest push to try and get minorities in high positions. Now anything that can help them has been deemed "woke" and defunded.
Ahead of whom, anyway?
I'd view this as a positive rather than a negative. 20% more people aren't delusional.
Things have definitely still gotten harder. Your framing isn't great because it implies things were just as hard a decade ago, which many factors point that isnt the case. I'm not saying it was easy then or the 67% were right, but things have gotten worse.
Yes, I was assuming people would be aware of that much on their own when I made a silly
I gladly receive any news of the expansion of class consciousness, and appreciate the data to prove it.
Really surprised that Democrats are such an outlier at only 29%. None of the other demographics come close. Every demo jumped down, which isn't too surprising, but Democrats dropped by 35% with the percentage who disagreed at 29% now in '26 whereas black people as a demographic are at 47%. I really would have thought that number would be lower.
I recall getting one of these surveys a while back. It wasn't clear to me what they meant by "get ahead" or "work hard" or "can".
I selected "agree" for that question.
I think my main thought at the time was that if we all work together and help each other out instead of taking the easy route of continuing to contribute to the existing capitalist system, we could all have a much better quality of life.
are republicans detached from reality or do they tend to be richer?
Yes.
Republicans remain delusional
In the Netherlands, getting ahead requires a mix of talent, luck, being born in the right zip code and work. I can only guess how this works out in a highly competative economy like the US.
it's exactly the same.
the issue is the lack of a social safety net means your prospects of getting ahead if you are born poor are basically non-existence. that wasn't the case in the 1980s though, a poor kid could get into harvard with drive and effort. now, they don't have a much chance of going to a public college. the stats are insanely bad compared to where they were a generation or two ago.
the upper classes in the USA have systematically pulled up the opportunity ladder, and horded it all for themselves for the past 30 years. they have also made it so that talent less lazy children have to do very little to succeed in life, by systematically removing them from having to complete with talented hard working poor kids.
they seem themselves as an aristocracy more and more. the idea of meritocracy is rapidly disappearing.
It's the same, except they expect you to work harder with less time off. And the lack of a social safety net means there's a huge disaffected impoverished underclass, with added discrimination against minorities and undocumented immigrants with no route to citizenship
sincere question - why does your zip code matter in the Netherlands?
Good question, and I was too lazy to search for a source. basically, statistical research has shown that zip codes of where you were born significantly correlate to income in the Netherlands, even in the same city. It depends partly on geography, but also on general wealth in the street you grow up in. A quickly googled source in Dutch: https://www.volkskrant.nl/nieuws-achtergrond/bepaalt-waar-je-bent-geboren-echt-je-kansen-in-het-leven~bc55f410/
In the United States, zip code also correlates because things like school funding are based on property tax and vary by location.
thanks!
the 53% who said "no" already have a head
Why aren't those 47% all billionaires? Are they just saying they can't be bothered to do so? The human mind is weird.
Unfortunately I believed it in my youth. The hippies had the right idea. Take drugs and drop out of the normal economy.
I believe everyone has an obligation to make the world a better place. I resent peoples who abandon that obligation.
the hippies all had trust funds. they never had to work in the first place.
just the modern day hippies do.
as true as any all x are/have y statements.
sorry, what working-class person do you know that goes around following phish or antoher hippie band?
it's not absolutely true, no, but it's generally true. to fuck off and not work for years, generally requires inherited wealth. normal people need income, because they don't have inherited wealth.
a lot of trust fund rich kids are pretend poor. tons of them in my city work work service jobs while they wait for their trusts to mature because it's 'authentic' and not 'working for the man, man'. meanwhile they turn 30/35 and you see them a few years later and suddenly they are telling you about their properties they rent...
yes one example proves all generalities or a lack of ones experience to the contrary of the generality.
dude, why are you trying to argue with someone who is on your side that they are wrong, or are you just really insecure and need to feel smarter by whipping out some convulsed statement that sounds logical, but really isn't?
are you a big fan of trust fund hippies or something? Or are you just angry you couldn't be one? I've known quite a lot because I went to a college with a significant population of them.
It does not matter if you are on my side if your going to throw out a generality like that. Im not an agree with you if your in my tribe kind of guy.
every linguistic statement is a generality. by your own logic, you can't ever speak. because everything you sad is 'wrong and bad'. you ipso facto must disagree with every statement you make if you hold that position.
'penguins eat fish' is a generality. apparently you find that very upsetting to you? lol
You don't even need the drugs if you're solarpunk/diy enough.
2016 though. 10 years ago, and basically ancient times considering what has occurred in those 10 years.
What is the perdentage today?
