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Electric Vehiclesarnt they already not in the USA due to 100% tariffs./
If you can't compete, just legislate them from the competition.
The invisible hand of capitalism is really fucking loud
A legislative monopoly
The free market of ~~capitalism~~ legislation
Good thing that we have a free market where our companies are free to lower prices, reduce investor payouts to fend off foreign competitors.
Oh wait, they will never do that, they'll just put their hand out to daddy government to block competition rather than you know, actually compete.
I'll bet when their kids run a 100m dash, they go around and kick all the fast kids in the shins so their precious crotchfruit can "win" the race.
Fuck all these greedy companies and their bullshit. I don't want America to turn to shit, but I think it's too late now. May as well get cheap cars while we still exist as a viable country.
Land of debris, home of the depraved
That was the unofficial motto of US Steel
The Chinese government is intentionally subsidizing, and incentivizing their car companies to over produce and under price vehicles, in an attempt to take over global clean energy tech. Just like when Amazon sold diapers at a loss for several years, once all the "competition" is gone they'll either raise prices or use that leverage to gain more leverage in another sector. They've already done it with solar manufacturing. Batteries practically belong to them now. Vehicles are next.
Legislating against a hostile market takeover like this isn't a bad thing. Biden knew it. That's why he put on the 100% tariff on them to begin with. Other vehicles don't suck they way people like to think they do. They just aren't super cheep. China's are so cheep because the Chinese government is paying for half the car.
The U.S. government subsidizes the auto industry vastly more than china. It’s not some secret that you subsidize industries you want to thrive. The U.S. is just unable to compete, even without the subsidies (the tariffs at 100% still don’t bring Chinese car costs up enough to make American vehicles compete). And no, China isn’t paying half the cost. It’s like 10%. I am not going to bother looking up the source I’ve used in the past to argue with someone whose economic education involves the word “cheep”.
China isn’t paying half the cost. It’s like 10%. I am not going to bother looking up the source I’ve used in the past to argue
Can I beggar you to post the source? A lot of my opinion on the matter assumes they've been subsidizing it a lot more than 10 ish percent and some proof that isn't the case would go a long way to swaying me.
This is the only article I could find on the topic that actually compares figures for both countries (almost all the articles I saw just mention a number for china and talk about their market share).
Not all subsidies are the same. US car subsidies are only about making the companies as happy and profitable as possible.
China doesn't care about profits. Their subsides are explicitly about making the vehicles super cheep to undercut everyone else. Two entirely different motivations and results.
Not all subsidies are the same.
Jesus dude
Legislating against a hostile market takeover like this isn’t a bad thing.
I understand your point but your analogy would only work if Amazon were trying to convince the country that diapers were a sham, destroying the earth and inferior to swaddling your baby in poison ivy leaves.
I hope China continues to subsidize the fuck out of the cars and I hope the world starts buying them, Tesla goes under and my government is left trying to explain to their constituents how, exactly, petroleum fuel is still the only logical answer and then explains why we can't have a Chinese-made EV like the rest of the world.
in an attempt to take over global clean energy tech.
Don't look now, but that ship has sailed. They are the global leaders in that tech. We could have competed if the dolts that put our current administration didn't lack the critical thought to realize they were being lied to about solar, wind and electric. Now, the only card the US can play is to try to block the smarter countries from competing.
I hope China continues to subsidize the fuck out of the cars and I hope the world starts buying them
You kinda have to hope they do. What happens when all the other manufactures are gone and Chinese companies start charging what the cars actually cost, or more? That's what amazon did. Now everybody with a baby is forked.
Don’t look now, but that ship has sailed. They are the global leaders in that tech.
I said exactly as much. Their takeover of solar and batteries are more or less done. Vehicles are next. I'm sure they have other markets planed after that.
inferior to swaddling your baby in poison ivy leaves.
Fun fact: I'm not allergic to poison ivy. It was a pretty cool super power growing up.
Fun fact: I’m not allergic to poison ivy. It was a pretty cool super power growing up.
I think I got your allergy to it on top of mine. I'm so allergic, I got something called compartmentalization of the arm and almost lost it due to the reaction to poison ivy and not going to the doctor quickly enough as my arm swelled.
Holey shit! That's horrible. TIL Poison Ivy can be way worse than a terrible rash.
Fun fact: I’m not allergic to poison ivy.
Okay bro, pack it up. You've fully lost.
Lost what?
The Chinese government is intentionally subsidizing, and incentivizing their car companies to over produce and under price vehicles
Wow that doesn't sound like anyone else I know. Nope. No other country does that. I'm so glad that our inferior products are being propped up so well. Yay America.
No they don't. They aren't cutting prices. They're just maximizing profits. China is not the same.
If China wants to pay 25% of the price of my car to make it affordable for me, I'm down with that. It's more than my government is doing for me.
What'll you do when they start charging 50% more and there isn't anyone else to buy from?
Celebrate the death of the car so we can all live in walkable cities and manifest that solarpunk future we all dream of.
Do we want the death of the car? Cars are useful. They have their place in the world.
We certainly want less of them in the middle of cities and small towns. But not zero, right?
The United States company is literally the hostile one here.
Remember Tesla?
Did Tesla sell cars below cost to drive out competitors and take over the market?
Yes. US' EV market nearly crashed because 90% of it was just Tesla. We don't have the same scope as the rest of the world because US' politicians are still drunk on petrol.
Did Tesla sell cars below cost
No. They didn't.
They were the majority of the market because they were first. They didn't drive anyone out, because nobody was there. They proved the market existed. "Created" it so to speak. In the last several years they were loosing market share each year, because there was real competition. Musk going full Rump just accelerated that trend. it didn't start it.
They were the majority of the market because they were first.
And thus almost tanked it when sales dried up. So it doesn't matter what they cost.
I don't know what you're trying to say here. That's not even what this is about. You're way off topic.
yeah it has nothing to do with the US wanting a monopoly on methods of spying on US citizens that bypass the constitution. it's all just china being meanies.
Kinda. Yah. That has very little to do with anything. Everyone already buys and sells whatever data they want. It doesn't matter much who collects it. It'll be available to the US if they want it.
Can't beat them, then just ban them.
It’s the market regulating itself.
People should buy some good old handywork from the US and A.
Because it's really funny when they have to use the shit they produce and it blows up in their face. Like the cyber truck, or every other car.
The US is pissed a Switzerland because our regulations in term of food safety are too strick and the kind dump all of their shit on ou shelves.
They only want American companies to harvest your data and spy on you.
Great, they don't deserve them
American car companies: “Only WE can spy on our customers”
ONLY WE can gouge our customers.
Very laissez-faire free markets type shit of them
But what about that Canadian company dyB that buys, uh, parts from other parts of the globe and sells fully assembled vehicles to the US market?
These pro-capitalism, pro-free market, small government chucklefucks suddenly want government intervention and regulation. Funny how attitudes change when it's not working in their favour.
I really do hate republicans, they ruin shit for no reason.
Yes.
However, remember there's Dem support for this bill.
but there is a reason. You just wouldn't like it
Wouldn’t want affordable vehicles in the US
Protectionism... it has worked wonders all over the world... /s
This probably would've mattered back when Chinese products were still considered laughably terrible.
its usually called chinesium, when its cheaply made. but EV and other tech they can mass produce with decent quality as of recently.
What they need is a bill to ban ridiculous shortsightedness.
If priced the same, I would buy BYD over a Tesla. I own a model y and got to check out the BYD models in Costa rica. The build quality and battery tech is much better than Tesla. I didn't test the self driving because it wasn't available in Costa rica. Tesla self driving is barely passable.
Back in my day we just put huge tarrifs on foreign cars to stop them from being imported. Ever wonder why you can get a tacoma or tundra in north america but everywhere else gets the hilux?
There haven't been large tariffs in the US for 100 years.
