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AsklemmyThe united states needs a Sun Yat Sen level reformer to come along if they want to get out of this mess.
Only 1/3 of the voting age population voted against MAGA after having a 10 year preview. The US is unsalvageable. Live your life while you can. There are too few patriots to fight back against this hoard of loyalists.
Unfortunately no you are not and you and all the rest are completely wrong.
Fix what exactly? Hard to answer, when the question isn't clearly defined.
Not denying, that there's a lot to be fixed. But regarding the means, that depends on what exactly you're talking about.
It'll take a few more ~~assassinations~~ Luigi-like incidents before any oligarchs start taking us serfs seriously.
No, they’d first lock us down hard. They don’t have any humanity in them to take us seriously.
"I, John Brown, am now quite certain that the crimes of this guilty land can never be purged away but with blood. I had, as I now think, vainly flattered myself that without very much bloodshed, it might be done."
- John Brown
No.
No.
Elections were meant to be bloodless revolution. What about "You are forced to vote for someone who doesn't represent you" screams bloodless revolution?
Usually this is where I would make a long winded comment about replacing First-past-the-post voting with a voting system that allows more then two parties to exist without a spoiler effect… but that time has long since passed us by.
Democrats refused to implement the change Obama promised, Republicans eventually won. GG no RE. Good luck out there yall.
I would like to see the "United States of America" burn to the ground and cease to exist entirely as a political and military entity.
Anything else on your wish list? Just curious.
I guess that you have to live outside the US to see what a scary man-baby it is. If a country has all the power in the world, and then decides that rules don't apply to them, it quite a short step to wishing that they would fail and leave the rest of us alone. The delusion is that they have adopted the world cop role. The reality is that they are the world bully.
If the petrodollar fails that's exactly what's going to happen. The rest of the world won't miss the opportunity to hamstring the US during their moment of weakness and ensure they turn into an insular, regional isolationist power. It'll be well deserved too...
when*
What does "fix it" mean?
Capitalism--a semblance of the status quo--continuing to function?
No, plenty of us believe it. I didn't recently purchase 10+ different guns and a ton of ammo because I think things will work out.
Unfortunately, more people think diplomacy and peaceful protest and waiting until the next time to vote will be enough.
It's fucking dumb.
If my plan to leave the US permanently fails, I'm prepared for literal civil war.
Nobody’s going to be wearing uniforms. Who ya gonna shoot?
10+ guns sounds pretty dumb ngl, 2-3 is fine. rest is better spent helping build some kind of network of support with your local neighborhood.
Need extras for those around me that didn't buy.
Guns are pretty stupid. You're building a society of individualism, distrust and violence. Not one where a decent human being would live happily.
Found the bot/troll.
What makes you say that? Just because someone has a different opinion then you doesn't make them a bot or a troll.
Decent human beings are a myth until proven otherwise. Now, in the era of unprecedented abundance, we mistreat people by withholding the basic necessities of life from them.
There is no place to live happily until we make it happen. If this other person wants to be wrong, let em.
The US needs to be dismantled. There's no such thing as fixing a settler colonial state. Everything about it is very young and paper thin, from its philosophies to its narratives to its borders to its laws to its "culture" to its religions. None of it will withstand the slow and inexorable resistance of the world's people.
The degree of the chaos between current governmental state and a better government is the concern i always wonder about. One thing we know is that the rich dont want it to fundamentally change. Even the dems. When biden was comforting a group of megawealthy donors and assuring them that 'nothing would fundamentally change' with him in charge, he was speaking for the party. And they havent budged from there. They are not friends of the common people but they are somewhat closer to us than the gop.
Define painful. There's nothing stopping us from starting co-ops for nearly everything. But the will has to be there. Too many people are happy with what they have. Violence only breeds more violence. Full stop. All it takes is a viral moment.
Co-ops, unions, small businesses are very beneficial many-fold. The disconnect from those benefits happens when a bigbox entity imparts people with sticker shock, or bargains, or lowest price guarantees. It's not just a peoples' will -- it was will\choice becomes hidden or removed when bigbox puts down too many big roots.
I believe painful will be the transition because it will be long-drawn and painfully slow, to bounce back. Reasoning example- "...too many people are happy with what they have".
I'm not American so I won't claim to know what needs to happen. But from an outside observer, it seems that the majority are complacent and willing to sacrifice those "below" them to keep treading water.
Which isn't uniquely American - complacency and a lack of compassion is an issue in a lot of places. But America is definitely showing us how dangerous it can be when enough people have the "ehh, I'm still surviving so yeah this isn't great but oh well, go with the flow" kind of mindset/action.
If reforms from democrats was enough, we wouldn't have Trump right now.
The founding myth of your nation is violence. I think it's like asking if there will be snow in February (I'm Canadian btw)
if there will be snow in February
Climate change might do this phrase in one day.
What's the founding myth of Canada if not Eurocentric settler colonialism intended to displace and exterminate the indigenous peoples of the land they were invading?
Oh hi Freagle! And yeah you're exactly right!
As long as Americans think one day peaceful protests will do anything, I don't see a anything happening. That concept is so mind boggling dumb imho. If you're not willing to commit for weeks/months, and say from the start, 'ah tomorrow we will be gone'. Then why wouldn't the government just ignore it? No you put out your demands and sit down in Washington DC or NY or something until the demands are met. Giving it a deadline just doesn't make any sense at all.
Now if this would actually happen, I don't see it stay peaceful for very long, but probably a tiananmen square situation developing. With how little the gov cares about people's well being.
But to be honest, the US probably needs vigilantes/rebels a la the Black Panthers for anything to happen.
The democracy route? Yeah it's way past that point already. As long as people like Bernie Sanders (or anyone more left than Bush) keep getting marked as some kind of 'communist', nothing will happen there. That propaganda has been gobbled up too much already.
Almost got it and screwed up in your last sentence.
Bernie the sheepdog works for the same people
I'm not a fan of this take. Peaceful protests are just one piece of an effective resistance. People complaining that big protests "don't do anything" are sometimes right, but more often they assume that nothing else is being done before/afterwards and don't understand the actual useful effects of protests.
Protests aren't always about (actually pretty much never about) an immediate demand being met. They're about getting people together and building a network of likeminded people. They're about demonstrating to others around you that they might not be alone in thinking things aren't OK. They're a step in the process.
Protests aren’t always about (actually pretty much never about) an immediate demand being met. They’re about getting people together and building a network of likeminded people. They’re about demonstrating to others around you that they might not be alone in thinking things aren’t OK. They’re a step in the process.
I've heard this repeated sooooo many times every time this comes up. So at what point are you actually going to do anything with that "network". Or is it just to find friends to moan with?
LOL
Didn't work for the Occupy movements, did it?
Did a hell lot more than King's days protest, at least it was a debate for way longer. But they suffered from too little numbers in the end. But of course you can ignore all other long-term peaceful protests, like the salt march, to dismiss the underlying point
It's not a matter of 'fixing it'. The USA is transforming itself from a liberal democracy to a christian theocracy. Evangelical leaders have been working on this since the 1980's. They want to change the constitution to remove the separation of church and state. This is what Project 2025 is all about. They are about 60% there. The first act of the new Christian Nationalism will be the American Genocide of trans, gays and lesbians. This is what ICE is being groomed for. They must be willing and able to execute women and children in the camps they are setting up. Renee Good was the test case. Get ready, the program has been copied from Nazi Germany, look it up.
Sounds right, but the brand of christianity being pushed is not the usual tension between liberal and conservative brands of the same religion like you see with judiasm and islam. Its more a grifter christianity that hardly ever talks about christianity at all.
Nothing will change until the pedophile class lives in fear. We need a revolution
Is reforms from Democrats enough?
"They’ve got a set of Republican waiters on one side and a set of Democratic waiters on the other side, but no matter which set of waiters brings you the dish, the legislative grub is all prepared in the same Wall Street kitchen"
Huey Long, campaign speech for the re-election of Senator Hattie Caraway (D-AR), 1932
Am I the only one that believe the US has to go through some sort of painful transition/civil war/revolution to fix it?
No, you aren't. I'm sorry you have to go through this hard way
Sorry if my english is bad
Democrats have no intention of changing anything meaningful. We learned that when Obama had a supermajority and became a black Dubya, despite his extravagant progressive promises.
Our only power is local now, and they know this, which is why they swift-boated Mamdani and ran a Democratic partisan against him.
Yes, it will take a major disruption to necessitate any meaningful change at the national level.
Correct to answer OP, yes you can't vote your way out of fascism. So we will need a war to get out of this mess.
Then to the Democrats the current Democratic Party is already right of Regan. It's that racket effect. Fuck up part if things keep going as business as usual. Then your next major Democratic candidates will be no different then Trump.
But all that moot. Again we can't vote our way out of this nightmare. And before 2030 we will all be living in hell run by oligarchy tecno bros. With all the AI data center sucking up all our water and they rounded up as much of the population that they can. Then it over.
You think North Korea is bad wait until we are living in just that type of world in America were statues of Trump liter the country and anybody that doesn't worship him is locked in a work camp.
I am quite certain that the crimes of this guilty land will never be purged away but with blood. I had, as I know think vainly, flattered myself that without very much bloodshed it might be done.
- John Brown
John Brown
Perfectly normal reaction to slavery. The sickest among us are well adjusted to this unjust world. Like a gambling addict who always wins. Until they dont...
Never forget- John Brown is the first American hung for treason. The Confederate leaders got minimal incarceration (if any), pardoned, or just walked back into society like nothing happened. Then they built statutes, named schools, and carved a mountainside with their images. Our only consolation is that Stonewall got shot by his own troops and died in agony a few days later after having his arm sawn off.
Nothing will change until we group together and stop exploitation. This includes how America has propagandize that all violence is equal. Nothing is going to change unless some bricks go through some windows and I think we are past even that. Not a single person in power is on our side.
Blaming the Republican party is wrong. They're evil, but it's the rich continuously stealing more capital and destroying businesses that is the problem. If the South and rural areas had equal access to wealth and education, the identity politics bit wouldn't work on them.
it’s the rich continuously stealing more capital and destroying businesses that is the problem
The rich are rich because they own the businesses. They own the means of production. The problem is capitalism; it’s private ownership of the means of production.
I don't see the connection, personally. There's no problem when wealth is probably managed and distributed. Plenty of societies do that with private ownership, and there's no reason to believe that a communist society would do it better.
Then you're entirely misunderstanding all of human history. Communism has been the source of the most effective poverty alleviation programs in the history of humanity.
Absolutely not.
"Wealth" is the counter side of the coin to poverty.
Blaming the Republican party is wrong
not it isn't, they have much to be blamed for. but there's plenty of blame to go to other groups, too.
If the South and rural areas had equal access to wealth and education
If you think the North and urban areas do have equal access then you need to take another look. The oligarchs are quite fond of living in metropolitan areas and segregating education between public and private schools.
I don't really, Dems are pretty useless and bought by the rich as well. Which is why the two party system can't work to solve these issues effectively. I don't blame Trump either, he is more a symptom, than the problem
the uniparty is the problem I agree
France's two party system was overturned electorally within the past 10 years, the UK's is currently in the process, but maybe the same thing can't happen in the USA
We need a true populist party in the US, but every mechanism that's currently anchored in place would always work as hard as possible to destroy it. Ngl, it feels kind of bleak.
What if the real controlled opposition was the Republicans we met along the way.
Oh, sweet summer child. The Democrats don't even have an interest in reforming the system, which is why nothing changes even when they have a majority in congress. Reformism is dead. Only a revolution can save the working class from the stranglehold of capital.
Now, is a revolution in the US forthcoming? Unless conditions change dramatically, I would say not. But we have entered the weeks where decades happen and left the decades where weeks happen. If you want to be prepared, organize and read theory; having a reality-based perspective will help you regardless of where we're headed.
If revolution happens right now, it's going to be oops! All reactionaries.
Not today, not next year. I'm uncertain about the mid-to-long range projection, like 5-10 years or beyond. I think either people will wake up and revolution will be a real possibility as our living conditions deteriorate, or we'll be completely enclosed by the panopticon and the Jakarta method will come home. It all boils down to socialism or barbarism, at the end of the day.
or we'll be completely enclosed by the panopticon and the Jakarta method will come home.
Heaven forbid!
We have coasted for a long time off the blood and sweat of our ancestors who struggled for the ideals that have made us thrive. But, we have thrived so much that we have become arrogant and cocky and now have forsaken our ideals. We don’t deserve to thrive anymore until we remember those ideals and struggle for them again.
the blood and sweat of our ancestors who struggled for
genocide. They struggled for genocide. And the enslavement of millions. And mass rape. And overwhelming control of women's bodies. They did not make us thrive. They drowned us in blood.
You’re telling one part of the story and one that erases those that struggled against all of that. Their story includes the fight for civil rights, equality, and freedom from slavery and oppression.
The story of abolition or the civil rights movement is not the story of America, even though the bourgeois establishment may have tried to tame MLK Jr. posthumously. All concessions given to labor were for the bourgeoisie to maintain its power, not out of any change of heart. If they thought they could get away with maintaining slavery they would - oh wait, they do, it's called the prison system.
The US has been a nation no-one should treat as a serious entity since 2024-11-05, and can not be again until they can prove their ability to hold another legitimate election, and concluded the Nuremberg-a-Lago trials.
The US has been a nation no-one should treat as a serious entity since 2024-11-05
Bzzt, wrong answer.
July 4, 1776
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal"
We had, and still have, slaves. Even modern California just can't say no to prison slaves.
We've been torched from day 0.
always has been
You could even say we're a nonentity.
Going through civil war?? Who will be casualties?? Normal freaking civilians and none
Maybe if you’re stupid and don’t go directly for the billionaires
FWIW, Karl Marx agreed with you.
It’s a class war, now combined with AI sucking up the most basic of living resources, from us to the billionaires’ latest pet project.
Everything else is a distraction. Remember, up to 50% (depending on what study you read) of social media is bots.
I highly recommend you read Blueprint for a Revolution by Sroja Popovic. Dude was involved in the Serbian revolution and has advised movements around the world on what works against fascist regimes and what doesn't. Our hope isn't in a party, it's in the people. And violence not only isn't required for a Revolution, it's not anywhere near as effective as non-violent resistance.
Watch this.
EDIT: But now I'm finally going to get around to asking this: do any of you, living in the US, vote?
Would you ever consider voting DSA/Socially democratic, even if your views are to the left of them and you are anti-capitalist? What if voting for the PSL is not an option where you are? Would you ever vote for someone like Trump just to make things intentionally worse in the hopes of sparking off a revolution? Not sure if I will ever vote again at this point...
i voted PSL and all it got me was yelled at online by people who can't count
I mean, we basically have, in my opinion, the choice of a civil war, some sort of revolution, or complete and total economic collapse, and rebuilding after the collapse to fix America.
I don't see any other way than that.
The economic collapse will be part and parcel of the civil war between the revolutionary and counter-revolutionary forces
Well, it depends on what you mean by "fixing it". Could things be reformed to meet a status quo similar to pre-1970 without violence? Sure. Reform like that would be difficult, it would take decades, and it would take a lot of political will. Reform like that would be akin to a house of cards, all it would take is a single Republican majority for a single term to knock it back down. I also think reforms like that are completely inadequate to resolving the underlying problem that has put us in these times: capitalism. Assuming reform is successful, we'll be right back in the same spot about 80 years later. For things to be truly fixed, we need to overthrow capitalism. This will be violent and tumultuous.
Is reforms from Democrats enough?
Lol. Lmao. Definitely not. Democrats have no solutions.
They need more than 2 parties
There are two parties because it’s a first past the post system, but that is a red herring. It’s not the source of the problem. The problem is that the US is a bourgeois democracy, AKA an oligarchy.
Lol how to propaganda the dumb way. Leave me alone with your kindergarten bs.
Nope.
nah
The not-Republicans seem less hell-bent on destroying everything for some accelerationist ideology. That's about all I see. I think if we can get a progressive, perhaps AOC in office, and it's possible to save us, she'll not hold back, having seen how Trump used the office. That's my only hope of not having a violent revolution someday, but I think there will be many years, probably decades of disasters to live through first.
