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This morning while checking if Quokk.au's new instance logo was federated out, I discovered that overnight we had been shadowbanned from the PieFed.Social Instance Chooser (This is a tool to help spread out users across the platform and help avoid funnelling users into the largest.)
Knowing that Rimu was happy to explain, I just asked for some clarification as we were visible on every other PieFed instance except his.
Apparently for ' obvious reasons ', of which I can only assume is our left leaning anarchist/pro-trans stance we were chosen not be advertised on the PieFed flagship instance and first point of contact for many potential new users. Seeing as a large portion of our new users found us via this method, it will have a tangible effect on a small instance such as ours.
This was a pretty sad sight to see, and reflects the sort of petty drama that is emanating from the PieFed project lately. It's now the third such move to discredit and harm left leaning instances by PieFed's lead developer. This also shows a trend towards autocratic unilateral decision-making on Piefed.social, of which is starting to be run as a personal fiefdom without consulting the team or users.
I must commend Lemmy.ml for remaining neutral and not letting its own political leanings influence join-lemmy.org, while simultaneously condemn PieFed.social for this immature move that is harmful to the health of the Fediverse.
Following this exchange, Rimu announced a new update to PieFed allowing for some rather concerning things.
- Modlog: Reason for the action is only shown from trusted instances, so abusive mods won't have an audience. Admins can still see the reason though. Which instances are trusted is set in the admin UI.
This feature means problematic users can now go undetected, and will harm moderators ability to view their past moderation history. For example PieFed.social runs a 'trusted' list of only 34 instances, meaning any mod action taken by any of the hundreds of instances outside of this will not show up. So for example if Quokk.au was to ban a user for transphobia (our most common ban), this will not be reflected for piefed.social users potentially leading towards more hate speech on the Fediverse.
- Instance silencing similar to Mastodon. A silenced instance is not defederated from but their posts do not show in the Popular or All feeds and their communities are not shown in Starter packs aka Topics. Their communities can still be found in the communities list and joined in the normal way. Once joined, posts in there show up in the subscribed feed as usual.
This is another way to shadowban instances and not 'advertise' them. Surely if an instance is problematic enough that a defederation would be in order rather than this reddit-like move.
ML and anarchist solidarity â
I kinda wish developers would not host their own flagship/open instance, but I know it makes testing and development much easier
Did you write a whole entire post to complain that another instance silenced yours?
Well it's the first time a software flagship instance does it, so....
Entirely unsurprising. When you wonder why someone would develop an alternative to Lemmy, rather than work within it, and then you see Rimu's deplorable views and attitudes towards leftists, it's clear: Piefed has always been developed to cultivate liberalism through coercive means. Lemmy is developed along communist principles out of a sheer belief that doing so and sticking to principles is the best way to create a platform for not just communists, but everyone. Pieces is developed along liberal, anti-leftist lines as an act of ideological warfare itself, resorting to implementing social credit scores and other manipulative means to try to force its own viewpoint.
In other words, the Lemmy devs believe sticking to principles is the best path forward, whereas Rimu doesn't trust liberalism's own principles and is fine to "play dirty."
Entirely unsurprising. When you wonder why someone would develop an alternative to Lemmy, rather than work within it, and then you see Rimu's deplorable views and attitudes towards leftists, it's clear:
Honestly that's not necessary. I can absolutely see someone wanting to work with Python instead of Rust.
Sure, and Piefed has other parts some people like. My point is more about motive, which Rimu has made pretty clear several times with the constant left-punching.
I was mostly addressing the point that Rimu could have worked with lemmy. Not everyone wants to learn and work with Rust.
Yea, that's fair.
This is completely unsurprising when you're aware of the reasons that motivated PieFed's development (anti communism). Features designed to limit the voice and reach of certain instances lines up with that motivation. PieFed exists to counteract communist influence in the threadiverse.
Some here who helped push it spin it as a way to make the fediverse more palatable to the average Internet user because they care more about growth than culture, but the underlying motivation has always been to try to separate the threadiverse from its communist roots.
I'll take the tankie devs over liberal devs every single time, personally. You can say what you want about them and how they personally run their instances, but I'm not aware of them developing any underhanded features like these and others in PieFed.
we had been shadowbanned from the PieFed.Social Instance Chooser
Badge of fucking honor
Unfortunately as >75% of all new members joined us from there it's effectively killed off instance growth. Will have to do a lot of campaigning to get any visibility now.
Oof. Hope this gets resolved in your/your instance's favor, but I do still feel a little proud that we pissed off Rimu so fiercely that we're getting shadowbanned.
Yeah rimu is hellbent in his crusade against memes and defense of us imperialism. His "q-anon" blocklist contains leftist sites like grayzone as well as sites like wikileaks.org. He has warnings on his instance for sites like electronicintifada and peoplesdispatch. He put out a hit piece on bans from db0 like a week ago, days after a troll made a fake screenshot accusing some db0 admin of being an undercover nazi, then made his "LLM moderation" scarepost even though he knew that there was none because he asked about it before, blocked db0 the user so none of his posts show up on piefed.social (or federate if the post is in a community of piefed.social) and at this point I'd really ask if you all want to keep with software whos designer is openly hostile to you, be part of his network and introduce people to it. All of this right after MrKaplans knee-jerk defederation. Like it's been a busy two weeks of hostilities from the liberal side of the lemmy/piefed fediverse mainly from rimu who has been very open I must say about being on an anti-tankie crusade and doing everything in his power to make "his software" hostile for people whose ideology he doesn't like. And very much not open about how he intends to achieve this.
Instance silencing similar to Mastodon. A silenced instance is not defederated from but their posts do not show in the Popular or All feeds and their communities are not shown in Starter packs aka Topics. Their communities can still be found in the communities list and joined in the normal way. Once joined, posts in there show up in the subscribed feed as usual.
This is just cannibalising smaller instances. When their communities can't be as easily discovered the conversations naturally will be on the bigger instances and posters will naturally fluctuate towards the bigger instances so their posts can be seen. I bet you all are "silenced" as well.
reposted from my hexbear account for more visibility
This stinks. I remember someone from anarchist.nexus posting a question about being banned but not seeing why (I think, I don't remember the details) and a very terrible response from Rimu. I don't see anyone else from piefed.social posting here but I can't be the only one that has seen this negativity over the last month or so. Maybe time to instance hop again or use an old account. Guess I didn't learn any lessons about flagships after being on kbin.social, although that was very different.
Well if you do decide to move instances, quokk.au is always open. We have a few improvements to our instance web view over the default PF.
:babaw_you::babaw_win:
If I get kicked off sh.itjust.works, I'm coming to you. Didn't know which instances were ban-happy when I first came here, so picked the one that looked like it cared the least. Good so far!
I appreciate that! I am not in AUS tho, I guess I need to head over and see your rules. It would be my first time switching instances where I could move info over, that would be nice and a fun learning experience.
The domain is .au, but we're international focused. I believe PieFed has features to migrate your subscribed communities over, so you won't have to start over completely fresh.
As for rules, we (me) have been a bit slack and don't have anything formalised. We basically follow the same as lemmy.dbzer0.com and anarchist.nexus, so you can view those rules here: https://wiki.dbzer0.com/divisions-by-zero/the-golden-rules/
Mostly it's just be a decent person, don't support nazism, zionism, homophobia, transphobia, etc.
Well, I did it. I am sure I have more work to do but I do not have to worry about the other stuff. Thanks for your encouragement!
Pleasure to have you here! I know you just came from PieFed so youâre familiar with the software, but please let me know if you have any issues or need help.
Wow, I just finished reading the db0 conduct and it sounds more thought out than the piefed. Now I will look into migration before I leave for a work trip.
Thanks for your encouragement!
I actually like having a second order of downgrading an instance over pure defederation. For example it would be really cool to mark instances from which to accept downvotes. Etc
Alternatives to defederation are always good tools to have available
something like that already exists in piefed, in that it can be set that only trusted instances can downvote. all my comms are set to ignore downvotes from anywhere that isn't on the AN trusted list.
they can still downvote locally, it just doesn't federate.
It's always very interesting to see the imperialist type of "leftist" always punch left harder than they punch right. Almost as if that's their actual intended purpose all along..
Not directly related, but many different instances are very buddy-buddy and share user info. Lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works and discuss.social for example all share information like user emails, etc. this leads to shadowbans, defedding, and all sorts of privacy offenses.
Likely quokk is cause up in that.
This is why itâs important all users use a VPN and unique burner/alias emails.
I have no idea what other instances are like, but you can join lemmy.ml without even giving an email. Unless you're allergic to communism, I'm really not seeing the benefit of choosing one of those instances, let alone something like PieFed, as your home base. No captchas or VPN blocks, either.
I love communism. I condemn state capitalism and simping for existing governments who claim to be communist, yet allow billionaires.
So, that sort of eliminates Lemmy.ml as an option.
"I agree with Communism, except literally every country to try and do communism." I love these sorts of takes lol
I admire the patience in ML's talking to those people but I had the misfortune of running into this one and it's pretty hopeless.
One comment away from 'authoritarian' and Uyghur death camps.
I was skeptical of China myself until I started reading the arguments and trying to understand where they were coming from, and trying to read theory instead of being a socialist based on vibes. (Edit: not accusing you of being the same, I'm just poking fun at myself here.) I lurked a long time before making my account here, and I honestly think I was all the better for that.
I'd love it if we could eliminate all billionaires tomorrow, but I frankly don't think that's possible so long as imperialism exists. Imperialism is the primary contradiction at the moment, not the existence of billionaires, though I think resolving that contradiction would result in a redistribution of resources such that there would, at minimum, be far fewer billionaires.
I'd encourage you to read more about all the myriad ways the imperial core enforces its will on the third world. Vincent Bevins' book The Jakarta Method is a good starting point if you haven't read it or other books on the subject.
You can just say you've never read any theory, you know.
I can say I disagree with parts of some theories and how they have been implemented without getting dogpiled for not sharing the opinions of a hive mind.
Agreeing with any theory word for word is just saying you have no actual opinions, because no theory is perfect when put into practice.
âŚYou knowâŚ
Which parts, specifically, do you disagree with? And can your source the evidence that lead you to this from sources other than the National Endowment for Democracy?
Evidence? Source? You act like theory is fact, and itâs not. Do you ever read something and think, I like a lot of this but not everything. Or do you just force yourself to accept everything you hear without considering your own personal feelings on the matter or other theories and opinions you heard?
Wait. Are you against empirical reasoning? Against the idea that ideas should be tested against evidence for or against their validity?
I'd say that dialectical materialism is a "theory" in the same vein as gravity or other scientific theories rather than the colloquial usage of the term. I'm still studying it myself and don't feel I've read enough to explicate in detail - others are more learned than I am on the subject. That said, my personal feelings on the subject are just that - feelings, not facts, and can no more impact dialectical materialism than my feelings on gravity can allow me to fly.
That said, certainly people can disagree on how best to apply the theory to a given time or place. But if you're unwilling to provide details and engage in the conversation, you come across as being either dismissive or defensive.
wow, that's good to know! but how do you know it is happening?
@TheDude@sh.itjust.works is what this user says true?
InEnduringGrowStrong is one of the two admins besides TheDude and they've already clarified in this very thread.
Is TheDude an admin who is clearly going to deny involvement? lol.
TheDude will abide while his co-admin takes care of it, it seems.
BTW, this attitude towards banning stuff is why I'm glad I picked it for my instance. I hate censorship, except for csam and spam.
LW and discuss.online are ran by the same team.
Ahhh that would explain it
This is something different. The PieFed dev is simply being a massive jerk lately and declaring war on the left.
So you blocked grad and hex and fancy yourself different.
"Always has been"
Well, the reason those did this was because my content is too⌠far left. Antifa, even. And World, SJW, and DS are all pretty conservative these days.
That anti-left mentality is pretty wide spread in the tech industryâsurprisingly. If the PieFed dev is in that circle, it wouldnât surprise me.
That anti-left mentality is pretty wide spread in the tech industryâsurprisingly.
Not surprising. The dot-com boom was mostly libertarian techbros vying for their stock options to go stratospheric, and many in the industry today are still temporarily embarrassed billionaires. The industryâs origins were in the US military-industrial complex. Thereâs still a visible Western male chauvinist, imperialist through-line.
- Mute, 1995: The Californian Ideology
- LA Times book review, 2023: Palo Alto: Billionaire playground or Darwinian hellscape? Why not both?
It's a damn shame. I like the oldschool internet run by utopian libertarians who thought that censorship was inherently evil. That way, sure I had to deal with Nazis having their spaces, but I could freely go to those spaces and call them a bunch of fucking Nazis, while spending most of my time with leftists and libertarians (because I was dumb and in my 20s so I didn't know libertarians well enough, just their fictional ideals) and we were both findable. Nobody got censored except for spam or child porn.
These days you have people wanting to censor their political opponents, and it has resulted in a shitty situation.
Well, this is going to keep happening as long as people treat Stallman's witticisms like a dang bible
that explains why my account got banned before i had a chance to use it.
atleast it ended up working out in my favor: i had intended to switch away from lemmy.word and the ban led me to lemmy.ml; where my social media diet hot a million times better and it made me stop doom-scrolling all the time.
Well, on ML they just ban you from ML when you donât agree with the hive ;)
They haven't banned me so far. Maybe they don't actually like Russia, which is a terrible fucking country, as others keep claiming. Maybe they have read a history book.
Go on ML and say âRussia is the baddie for invading Ukraineâ and watch the fur fly.
They donât actually care about Russia or China. Theyâre all teenagers from America and they just want to crush the US.
How can a person be pro-Palestine and anti-Ukraine?!?! Itâs pro-little guy. Always. Fuck the big 3.
Theyâre all teenagers from America
You have no idea what youâre talking about. Many of those admins are not from the US, and none are teenagers by any stretch. Iâm older than Danny Glover was when he said he was too old for this shit.
How can a person be pro-Palestine and anti-Ukraine?!?!
Weâve explained how, with receipts, hundreds of times. Previously.
Not the admins.
Also, is crushing the US bad? Not the people, the system of government. The corporations. The military industrial complex. The jails. The police. All worth crushing, yeah?
They want the people dead. Which humorously is also them because theyâre mostly Americans
Never seen them say that. So you'll probably have some evidence to show me? Like a quote?
I agree! They haven't banned me yet, though, and I regularly post about how Russia sucks, and is the aggressor in Ukraine.
You're an anarchist, yeah? Me too. I support a mainly modern syndicalist approach, because collective community effort is far more effective than individual effort, but it's going to be a hard time demonstrating the effectiveness of our preferred model while the capitalists keep crushing it anywhere it threatens to become practical.
It's more complicated than "Russia bad, Ukraine good" though. I think that's the nuance that gets distorted by some ml people who have been arguing with centre-left Democrat voter types for ages and gotten tired.
Russia has a fucked up, Mafia government, it is bad for its people, it encourages corruption as long as the money flows to the top, etc.
Don't ignore why that is, though: Russia was fucked over by the vultures of US capital in the 90s after Gorbachev and Yeltsin bent over and allowed former soviet state industrial assets to be bought for far less than their value. This is how the oligarchs were established. The economy was absolutely crushed, it reduced the living conditions of millions of people, increased crime, destroyed the social welfare state, etc.
This created the opportunity for Putin to get popular by killing a bunch of the oligarchs and taking their stolen wealth for himself, as well as promising to restore the glory of Russia's military, stopping the breakaway of the few remaining former Soviet countries that had not yet left Russian control, like Georgia and Chechnya, promising to fight the terrorists (the terrorist attacks were done by him, btw), etc.
Basic Make Russia Great Again stuff, done more competently than Trump because he has at least half a brain.
This much is clear from history.
Ukraine does have a lot of Nazis in its power structure. And it has been very corrupt indeed ever since it broke away from Soviet control. Zelenzky has had to work with both of these power blocs as leader. He did gain power by promising to change things, but it's impossible to run the place without working with the moderate parts of those factions, at least, even without a war. With the war, he has had to allow all sorts of very dodgy bastards indeed to coexist as long as they fight the Russians too.
Now, Putin was absolutely right when he said that NATO was invading his sphere of influence by bringing the Ukraine into the Western economic sphere. The US knew this, and knew that Russia may invade the Ukraine in return, and they were happy to provoke that. It was a completely ruthless move in the Great Game of geopolitics.
However, invading Ukraine is still an evil thing to do. It's an imperialist action by Russia. It is one empire defending against an incursion by another empire.
The people of Ukraine, flawed as its government and society is, are right to defend themselves. Russia is not the good guy here, even if they are effectively part of China's sphere now. They use slave armies. So does Ukraine, but far less brutally. It's... not an ideal situation.
China practices ruthless geopolitics too, to defend its own system against the efforts of imperial capitalism, but that does not mean its client states are the good guys. China's system is worth defending, imo, because capitalism is destroying the world with climate change and China is the biggest single factor in decarbonisation, not to mention a serious contender for a better economic system which we could learn a lot from.
When we survive climate change, it will likely be due to the sheer industrial capacity of the Chinese economy, which is rapidly transitioning to renewable energy and exporting solar panels and batteries to the entire world.
However, the Chinese defence of its "socialism with Chinese characteristics" system is ugly and throws a lot of people under the bus.
Palestinians, the Russian people sent to die on the front lines, people who get arrested by Chinese security services, people who have to move out of the way of large industrial projects, non-Han minorities, LGBT minorities, etc. (Not Falun Hong, btw, fuck those cultist assholes).
The mistake a lot of people make is to think that all systems of coercion are equally bad.
Representative democracy with capitalism looks good in theory, until you factor in all the people who don't get a vote, who still get affected by the actions of the govt. And of course all the decisions made by people who aren't elected at all.
And of course you as an anarchist know that nobody recognises economic violence when comparing systems by how much violence they do to their citizens, and nobody compares violence done by client states to protect capital's ability to do that violence.
So America and Europe look less violent than the Soviets and China, even though they are all drenched in blood. Imo, the US most of all.
However, instead of having that sort of discussion, it's way easier to say "go back to the DNC!" or "read a book, corpo!" or "boo, stop licking Xi's asshole!".
It takes way less time.
Wow. Ppppppropaganda
Which bit?
I think you're mistaking "don't agree" with an ideological refusal to engage with criticism. You're either engaging in the discussion or not. Maybe you tell yourself "it's just time to log off", but everyone can see your evasiveness.
Hehe. Why do I have you tagged as a bot? Did I fall for some propaganda or are you actually a bot?
They ban you when you make it clear that you're unwilling to learn how to deprogram yourself.
Sorry bud, China is a capitalist country. Just like all the rest. âď¸
Evidence? I see this a lot, but nobody provides evidence that the market is in control of China. There are billionaires and companies there, yes, but they seem to be kept in line by the PRC.
I mean, they execute corrupt bankers there. Would a capitalist country allow that? They do things for the long-term future, not the short-term profit of companies. Are you asserting that they are long-term capitalists?
No, the PRC is a socialist country, same as Cuba, Vietnam, the DPRK, Laos, and former USSR. The working classes control the state since 1949, and public ownership is the principal aspect of the economy. I have yet to see a compelling, rational argument for why this should be considered "capitalist" that doesn't treat socialism like a fantasy in test-tube conditions, rather than a real mode of production and distribution.
Funny how âjust like all the restâ still manages to shrink billionaires instead of worshiping them or letting them control the gov't; but sure, totally the same. Lol
Yawn. The billionaires control all the governments. Keep on showing us how you simp for the billionaires.
project harder. i just pointed out one system actually restrains the rich â youâre the one who needs all governments to look identical so you donât have to update your tired, lazy worldview. now go tuck your billionaire boogeyman back into bed and maybe read a book.
"Noo don't look at the executions of billionaires and corrupt officials, they're fake! Better things aren't possible! I'm not listening lalalala you're a simp."
Lol, no. They ban anyone not willing to buy the building propaganda they spew
historyâs full of empires that swore they were the only ones without propaganda; youâre just repeating their script wo knowing it.
I never said anything about anyone else's propoganda.
It's ironic you're saying this while Whatabouting away criticism of the propoganda you're covering for.
And you'll plug your ears and cheer when I get banned for saying this here.
I never cheer when they get banned; I feel like each one would be me if life hadn't kicked my ass hard enough to force me to learn that western/capitalist contradictions are everywhere.
The fact of the matter is that the western hegemon -- our hegemon -- has been legally forced to admit that they fabricated their propaganda in writing thanks to the freedom of information act since the 1980's yet westerners -- Americans in particular -- cling that that proganda nonetheless. (And the fact that you can learn of this propaganda just as easily as reading the Epstein files is icing on this cake).
The worst part is that they use the propaganda to defend their world view wo ever knowing it.
SJW doesn't ban email domains, IPs nor VPNs.
To my knowledge, we've alsp never shared specific details about users with dotworld or other instances for that matter.
I myself would take offense about leaking any of this info.
The only thing I can even think of is we might have shared something like this once or twice during bigger spam attacks:
this last wave of spammer were all made in the last hour and fit the following pattern "5 letters, 5 numbers @ sketchy domain dot com" without sharing actual user info.
Edit:
I don't know about dotworld, but at least on our end, there's only TheDude and me who even have access to see a user's email address.
The only other times we've really even checked one was before 2FA & password reset worked properly.
We even have users who didn't want to provide an email at all which we've verified manually through matrix.
We've investigated ourselves, and this will shock you: we found no wrongdoing. "To my knowledge," that's adorable. The words of someone who fantasizes about doing well in court, but would be bent over.
to my knowledge
Right. Are you an admin?
They are an admin. You can check if you go to their original profile on sjw
Uh oh, Iâd better be careful ;)
Realistically, not really.
To be honest, these days, most bans are for obvious spam, *phobes or the occasional CSAM.
Just don't post dentist adspam (which is oddly common) or be that one person who posts their cartoony-kiddie-diaper-fetish thing.
I usually get banned for calling for the death of Donald Trump, and the rest of the global billionaires.
AdVoCaTiNg vIoLeNcE and other lame excuses.
Hey, snap! That's why I got banned from Reddit and came here!
Oh yeah, I've seen the guillotines being censored in some places. /eyeroll I don't get it, there's no corporate overlord to appease here, no advertisers, no IPO.
I'd argue for content removal if you were to post specific plans to take specific violent action.
Mostly because it'd be utterly dumb to plan something high profile on a public forum.
By all means, do so on something actually private and secure that won't result in either of our doors being busted down.
All that data sharing and sh.itjust.works mods and admins still haven't removed the links to CSAM websites that I reported and messaged them about several months ago. They aren't directly hosting CSAM, but the fact that they ignored the requests to take down the links in question is not particularly pleasing. (not sharing details publicly for obvious reasons)
Edit (1778443722): I messaged them on Matrix. The report was through the default reporting interface.
You didn't message me afaik.
@imaqtpie.communick.com
Also why does your edit have that number in parentheses?
Why did you steal the handle of a League of Legends streamer? Odd behavior. Just invent your own name. I invent like 30 a day. Practice.
That number was the timestamp (since I didn't know whether or not time of edit is federated) and if you want, ~~I can directly message you on Lemmy (since I deleted my Matrix account).~~ I am creating a matrix account to message you.
Sure
I have sent you a message under the name clean cation. Please verify whether you have received it. Thanks.
I didn't receive it. I'm going to send you a message and maybe you can respond to me more easily.
Edit: Ok nvm I see it. I thought you sent it on Lemmy, I see it on Matrix.
I removed those posts. But I am reluctant to follow the Tor links to verify that they are what you claim, for obvious reasons. I'll take your word for it.
Assuming that's the 2 recently removed posts in the modlog, I'll check if I can see what happened to those reports.
The post themselves were to our "test" community and first seemed to me like they were just random strings, but from the context I'm reading they might have been part of some onion link?
Is there any documentation on how they share user data like emails? That sounds super wild to me
Super wild? They are just people. Neckbeards, if you will.
I got banned from .world once, then accounts on the others that used the same email that had not ever been used got banned too.
All I have to offer is my experiences, you can choose to disbelieve meâI donât care.
kicked Marxist-lemonist
Made me laugh.
I'm going to use that from now on.
Such a good name
PieFed has been giving me the ick the last few weeks, it looks likes itâs heading in a bad direction.
Has it ever not been heading in a bad direction?
It had some nice features. Shame that it's also started by some guy who can't stand that Lemmy was created by communists.
diet reddit
Pretty awful changes. Doubt I'll ever be moving to Piefed and unless it has a pretty substantial course correction gonna end up giving side eye to anyone promoting it
Piefed has always been a wrecker project. It's not changing.
To EEE the threadiverse, thus protecting the innocent minds of the imperial core labor aristocracy from exposure to wrongthink?
There is no "correction" necessary, this was the plan all along. Piefed's main selling point always was, "lemmy but anti-tankie". That is the openly stated goal. All those little QoL features that got added at breakneckspeed and with little forethought were to make it easier and more compelling to switch, but I bet the number 1 thing among people that choose piefed over lemmy is that they hate the politics of the lemmy devs (which they don't put into their software) and want the anti-tankie software that bakes it's bias into it's code. A lot of "har har fuck those tankies we like their platform but hate them."
They have got a hardcoded slur filter no?
I don't know anything about that. They got a semi-hardcoded 3000 entry long list of blocked domains including thegrayzone and wikileaks. An admin can unblock one by one or do a manual database transaction to drop the list.
On the flagship piefed.social instance they also flag content from peoplesdispatch and electronicintifada as untrustworthy.
afaik the only robust slur filter is on hexbear.
Lemmy.ml has one too, and I think Lemmygrad.ml.
Yes but theirs are much less comprehensive
That's fair!
not very surprising behavior for a boomer.
This is gen x erasure.
Yeah, we're awful and I demand that you recognise that!
Shh! Maybe theyâll totally forget we exist and we can escape to the desert.
in an awful Scottish accent
Ye power trippin' bastards!
Yup, I considered PieFed due to its great features (especially the ability to migrate where your account was set, that's a great one), but was uncertain due to their governance. Lemmy also has its issues (such as a certain dev), but still.
Had PieFed had a governance like that of Debian, I think it'd have worked out much smoother.
I wonder if someone could establish a fork off PieFed on Codeberg, and from the start having a decentralised governance, ensuring to close possible loopholes that could enable autocratic governance.
MBin has always used C4 for its governance.
Whatâs the Debian governance like?
I know of one fork in the works, not sure Iâve Iâm allowed to share it just yet one.
You can find it here. In a nutshell, it's decentrally organised. Developers have collective ownership and responsibility.
They also got their own social contract.
it read's like congress' super majority rule and it has an electoral system much like the american electoral system; no wonder why debian is such a conservative distro.
They've amended their constitution almost as often as the US it seems
it's making me wonder if easily exploitable electoral systems and super majorities are the reason why institutions who employ them are unable to change.
Oh that is nice, I'll look into that some more.
Quokk.au is a left-leaning instance? Never got that impression. I feel like I've seen as many Israel-simping zionists from there as on .world.
For all my criticism against Quokk (like banning users for being Marxist Leninists), Zionism isn't one of them
Please name one?
Iâve seen many report about our users for saying Israel should not exist etc, Iâve never seen anything in favour of Israel.
Also Zionists and Nazis arenât allowed on here.
I haven't seen Zionists, but I have seen Nazi apologia as a way of "critiquing" the Soviets. It wasn't "Nazis good," but quokk.au users (2 that I can remember) minimized Nazis lynching Jews and communists as "student protests" crushed by the Soviets, which is just historical revisionism.
Also the !world@quokk.au community harbors imperial shills like @Hotznplotzn@lemmy.sdf.org, @Scotty@scribe.disroot.org., @Sepia@mander.xyz, and @tardigrade@scribe.disroot.org.
Pretty sure that's by design, given that deceptichum capes for Nazis as long as they oppose the Soviets.
And you harbour genocide deniers and transphobic devs.
Sorry Iâm not banning all users for simply being Libs. If you want to refute the articles they post, do so. Itâs mostly an open forum for people to engage with if youâre not a *phobe, racist, misogynist, or genocide denier.
âGenocide denialâ isnât a magic spell. Do you not deny the genocide of white South Africans?
Is this like the Tankie âgotchaâ, some right wing drivel therefore everything else we donât like must be false.
âGenocide denialâ is a liberal âgotchaâ 𤡠Maybe stop acting like a lib on an ostensibly anarchist instance.
Better ban yourself, unless you think "White Genocide" in South Africa is a real thing. The west often uses atrocity propaganda to discredit its enemies, such as claiming Hamas wants to "kill all Jews."
Lol the chief propagandist with his walls of text about how everything is a CIA colour revolution. Yeah mate, trust your sources so much đ¤Ł
Not everything is a counterrevolution nor CIA, but for clarity, you're choosing not to trust communists or westerners. This is what you called "student protest:"
The Hungarian revolt in 1956 was infested with anti-semitic pograms. MI6 funded, supplied, and trained the Hungarian counter-revolutionaries. These counter-revolutionaries were allied with fascists who were lynching Jewish people and Communists. The Truth About Hungary by Herbert Aptheker heavily relies on citing western sources like the New York Times. Aptheker backs up his claims heavily.
"The special correspondent of the Yugoslav paper, Politika, (Nov. 13, 1956) describing the events of those days, said that the homes of Communists were marked with a white cross and those of Jews with a black cross, to serve as signs for the extermination squads. âThere is no longer any room for doubt,â said the Yugoslav reporter, âit is an example of classic Hungarian fascism and of White Terror. The information,â continued this writer, "coming from the provinces tells how in certain places Communists were having their eyes put out, their ears cut off, and that they were being killed in the most terrible ways."
"But the forces of reaction were rapidly consolidating their power and pushing forward on the top levels, while in the streets the blood of scores of massacred Communists, Jews, and progressives was flowing."
"Some of the reports reaching Warsaw from Budapest today caused considerable concern. These reports told of massacres of Communists and Jews by what were described as 'Fascist elements' ...." (N.Y. Times, Nov. 1. 1956)
"The evidence is conclusive that the entry of Soviet troops into Budapest stopped the execution of scores, perhaps thousands of Jews, for by the end of October and early November, anti-Semtic pogroms - hallmark of unbridled fascistic terror - were making their appearance, after an absence of some ten years, within Hungary."
"A correspondent of the Israeli newspaper Maariv (Tel Aviv) reported:
During the uprising a number of former Nazis were released from prison and other former Nazis came to Hungary from Salzburg . . . I met them at the border . . . I saw anti-Semitic posters in Budapest . . . On the walls, street lights, streetcars, you saw inscriptions reading: âDown with Jew Gero!â âDown with Jew Rakosi!â or just simply âdown with the Jews!â
Leading rabbinical circles in New York received a cable early in November from corresponding circles in Vienna that âJewish blood is being shed by the rebels in Hungary.â Very much later-in February, 1957-the World Jewish Congress reported that âanti-Semitic excesses occurred in more than twenty villages and smaller provincial towns during the October-November revolt.â This occurred, according to this very conservative body, because âfascist and anti-Semitic groups had apparently seized the opportunity, presented by the absence of a central authority, to come to the surface.â Many among the Jewish refugees from Hungary, the report continued, had fled from this anti-Semitic pogrom-like atmosphere (N.Y. Times, Feb. 15, 1957). This confirmed the earlier report made by the British Rabbi, R. Pozner, who, after touring refugee camps, declared that âthe majority of Jews who left Hungary did so for fear of the Hungarians and not the Russians.â The Paris Jewish newspaper, Naye Presse, asserted that Jewish refugees in France claimed quite generally that Soviet soldiers had saved their lives."
So, the New York Times, Maariv, Politika, The Independent, Naye Presse, Herbert Aptheker, and more all agree on the general fact that Nazis were let out of prison during the riots, and that said rioters were lynching Jews and communists. These certainly can't all be said to be of the same political background. You let your bone to pick with the soviets get in the way of how you view history, which results in Nazi apologia.
Good to know, I'll send them your way if I see any.
If you have names, please let the Quokk.au admins know. Quokk is an Anarchist-Flotilla instance.
Fediverse are hives of benevolent dictators. The dictators must do what they feel is right for the hive.
The hives assumes dictatorship.
If we want this to change, we need to demand hives that are built with democratic control in mind.
If we want this to change, we need to demand hives that are built with democratic control in mind.
How would that work?
Thats where philosophy comes in. I dont have the answers.
I must commend Lemmy.ml for remaining neutral and not letting its own political leanings influence join-lemmy.org
Bogus. They have intentionally removed specific instances from join-lemmy.org. You will find that lemmy.world is missing, for example.
Piefed has always been developed to cultivate ~~liberalism~~ reactionsrianism through coercive means.
Sorry cowbee, I respect you a lot, but if this garbage isn't wholly reactionary, it's reactionary enough, imo. Always happy to take correction, as I know it's not the original sense of the word.
I consider liberalism itself to be reactionary at this point in time, and it describes Rimu's views pretty well. Liberals are a type of reactionary.
I definitely consider liberalism reactionary af, even though it doesn't fit the strict (outdated) definition.
Yep! Rimu is both reactionary and trying to cement liberal views.
I really can't see either instance as but* another CIA psyop. đ¤ˇââď¸
Fair enough, haha!
You somehow replied to the wrong comment?
Looks like it, I answered it though.
This is also a kbin/mbin - lemmy ongoing issue, idk wtf.
Lemmy.world is the biggest instance by far, which created a positive feedback loop. Lemmy is not Lemmy.world, and so it makes more sense to spread out the growth.
From my understanding lemmy.world is missing as it is the largest of all instances and this helps users find others.
That is not done for ideological reasoning but Fediverse health.
Iirc it's automatic if an instance hits more than some percentage of users (active presumably)
Yep, and if they drop back below that threshold it will automatically rejoin the list. One instance holding the majority of the userbase defeats the purpose of federation, setting a cap at (IIRC) 30% for this is healthy.
Long ago I used XMPP to chat with a few people, and when google chat came along suddenly I could instant message with a ton of other people in my life. Google later defederated and I was too stubborn to get a google account and it felt like XMPP died overnight. The people I had originally been talking with logged off when that happened.
People go where other people are, and if most people are on one instance and the admins restrict federation, there's a lot more inertia towards people without access joining the big one than there is towards their existing userbase leaving. Speading out the userbase of a federated network is decentralizing power, which is the entire appeal of federation.
This directly effects the well-being of Quokk.au, if it was any other instance but the flagship I would not care.
I wonder which admin this an alt of. Logged on only recently during this whole Piefed situation, to smear the instances targeted by Piefed 's dev.
Edit: I may be wrong and confusing it for another Kirk account.
