Electric VehiclesThe most eye-stealing highlight is the Flash Charging technology, which works in conjunction with the latest Blade Battery 2.0.
– Charging from 10% to 70% takes only 5 minutes.
– To charge to 97%, it only takes 9 minutes.
– Even in temperatures as low as -30°C, it can still be fast-charged in 12 minutes.
Yeah.... My usual experience is to connect to 150kW changer and get half of that. Better battery will not magically fix shitty infrastructure.
It’s a 68kWh pack. The 5 min metric is 60% of that. So 41kWh. To do that in 5 min would require 490kW chargers. This is pretty much only available from the latest Tesla super chargers. So while it’s great that the car can support that, articles about it should include the fact that there is very limited support in charging networks for it.
All 3 metrics are important to evaluate together:
- Peak power draw, in watts, describes one type of limitation in charging, that exists somewhere in the chain between the grid itself, the charger, the charge controller, and the batteries. Showing off a very high charging capability on this metric is impressive (for a charger/car combination), and usually shows the bottleneck is somewhere else. Sometimes it's even in the electrical substation where a rack of several chargers can each deliver high power but can't charge every station at full power simultaneously
- Total energy delivered over a particular amount of time (aka average power). High peak power needs to be sustained to be useful.
- Percentage charge delivered over a particular amount of time. The nature of modern batteries means that the maximum charging speed has to slow down closer to each cell's full charge. So charging from 40% to 60% can be much faster than charging from 80% to 100%, even if the total energy transferred and stored is the same.
All 3 matter. #1 is an engineering flex and helps avoid bottlenecks into #2, which you correctly describe as being an important metric, and affects just how far you can expect to drive off of that charge. And #3 translates into actual user experience, which is also really important. None of the three metrics can be assumed by simple multiplication of the others, because none of it goes at constant rates in all contexts.
Love how they translate the price to USD when sadly there’s no way in hell well ever see this car in the US.
I'm wondering if I can ship one over?
I believe you can import them, but it is a 100% tariff. So your $22k car becomes $44k plus delivery charges and local registration fees/taxes. So very quickly becomes not worth it. Which is why the tariff exists.
There is also the matter of which charging standard is needed. The US of course not using the same standard as the rest of the world.
I was going to buy one of the new rivians for about 45k, not sure if they released prices yet. My husband has one of the more expensive Rivians and they're really cool. That being said, byd is cool too and even with import fees it looks doable. Gotta think about it.
Is it not worth it? Are there EVs in the US that are sub $44k?
Also no mention of crash test ratings. Which is likely the real reason we won’t see it here, and even if we did it would never be for that price because that price is subsidized by the Chinese government.
Edit: Why do so many people think pointing out that some Chinese EVs have been through crash test ratings refute that this article doesn’t mention them?
Also, please note that all the ones that have good ratings aren’t being sold for $22k.
Also, please note that all the ones that have good ratings aren’t being sold for $22k.
22k USD is around 31k AUD
The BYD Atto 1 sells for 24k AUD + on roads, so less than that figure.
It got a 5 star ANCAP rating.
Just saying.
Hmm, good question, and a quick google later:
Chinese EVs may not have to pass USDOT crash tests, but they do have to pass Euro NCAP crash tests, and Chinese NCAP crash tests, which are similar.
And a lot of them did quite well in that regards.
And and they also have to pass however Canada does crash tests as well.
BYD vehicles all rate 5 stars in the Australian ANCAP ratings as well.
The "Chinese vehicles aren't safe" thing is just fear mongering these days or, more generously, a misapplication of their micro vehicle standards for low speed urban use to ordinary passenger vehicles.
This article is counting Tesla and Polestar as Chinese EVs…
Yep, the article is purposely conflating "Chinese" with "Made in China".
Polestars basically are. They are owned by Geely and some are built in China
A lot of iPhones are made in China too. Do you consider them Chinese?
Isn't Geely a Chinese company though?
Still seems disingenuous in the context of the article linked. Like those “assembled in USA” stickers. Technically correct but also misleading and mostly missing the point.
To be fair China has their equivalent of the NHTSA with more or less comparable tests. US crash tests are particularly bad and still assume a sedan when everyone drives SUVs/light trucks now. Even mini vans in China are smaller than the majority of American SUVs.
The government subsidy is the bigger reason for why the West generally blocks or heavily tariffs the import of Chinese cars. It's just not fair competition (though there's also an argument of it being a good thing for us to let them subsidize our imports of lithium)
Looks great, I'll take it.
I'll wait until Toyota copies this technology.
And charges way more!?!?
That's awesome!
I'd love to have one that's a small form truck or mini-van with a flat front for maximum visibility and minimum footprint.
To be perfect: Absolutely no touch screens allowed, no internet, no satellite, honestly I'm good without Bluetooth. Make it feel like a 90s vehicle, but electric.
I missed it in the article, does it say how well it holds its charge compared to non-fast-charged ones? That tends to be the limiting factor in many things, as it's much harder on the battery. I doubt they'd be pushing it if it wasn't an improvement though
You want a Slate.
Connectivity is a legal requirement iirc.
Big Brother must be allowed to watch.
I'd really love to see how one of these does here in Northern Canada. There are almost no electric vehicles here because of the performance of batteries in the long, cold winter.
Isn't that similar to Norway where now almost no non-EV cars are being sold?
No, big difference. In Northern Norway, average temp in January is -4C, in Northern Canada it’s -40C.
That sounds awful to deal with. Sometimes I wonder why people live in such conditions but I guess that's just humanity for you.
Also cool fact -40C is -40F
One question: how long is the typical vehicle trip in northern Canadian settlements? I know a lot of northern cities lack road connections to other places, so the range being impacted may not have a huge impact if trips are measured in single or double digits of km increase of triple digits.
Well to get from the western interior coast(Bella Coola) from the closest main city in the interior(Williams Lake) is about 500 km. Even then there is five charging stations on the way and there are some solar farms going in on the Chilcotin plateau so the small communities in the area have power without needing to run major lines to power them.
To get from the north coast (Prince Rupert) to the north interior(Smithers) there looks to be around 7 stations along the way and stations all the way along north towards the Yukon. Now you might not be able to get too far away from the main highway but there is little reason to go too far away from the main highway multiple times. If you have a destination off the highway just make sure you charge at the closest station and have enough change to get back or the ability to charge where you are parking like a b&b.
Most northern communities have a concentration of people and then it's a long way to go to get to the next community. So, there's a bunch of short drives and the occasional long drive.
Does it use proprietary charging infrastructure?
Probably not but good luck finding a 600 kW charger to support that speed
88 mph and a clocktower during a thunderstorm?
Yeah, good luck knowing precisely when lightning will strike the tower.
I think I got an idea about how to make it work, but I knocked my head on the bathroom and forgot how.
but I knocked my head on the bathroom and forgot how.
It was from all the pee from the first seizure you had. See a doctor!!!
Jumpin' jigawatts!
For 22k €I can maybe only get some tiny subcompact hatchback...
And it won't be that price once it reaches the European dealerships you can be sure of that.
Why do even all these evs always have to look like you have to compensate for a tiny ego with them , I don't get it ...
What does it mean to "compensate for a tiny ego?" Do non-EV-drivers have huge egos?
BYD have many models. The Dolphin is a small hatch, the Seal a mid size sedan.
Great technology, but built by ~~slave~~ forced labour.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/byd-hungary-china-labour-watch-9.7154249
https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/latest-news/brazil-labour-authorities-suspend-byd-factory-construction-after-finding-labour-violations-among-chinese-jinjiang-construction-workers-incl-co-comments/
Not slaves. Perhaps serfs?
I'd like to read some sources on current day China using slave labor to build these cars, otherwise you sound like another racist.
Brazil sues China carmaker BYD over 'slave-like' conditions
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3v5n7w55kpo
But I was looking for Hungary.
EV giant BYD accused of forced labour violations at European factory
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/byd-hungary-china-labour-watch-9.7154249
I appreciate your links to help me be more informed! Thank you!
China does use slave labor in cotton and aluminum production. BYD uses that aluminum, as well as other western brands.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/02/01/china-carmakers-implicated-uyghur-forced-labor
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2026/01/un-experts-alarmed-reports-forced-labour-uyghur-tibetan-and-other-minorities
BMW, Jaguar Land Rover, and Volkswagen, Ford, General Motors, and Tesla use steel and aluminum from China that is made with forced labor. This is a problem for The US car industry because Canada has laws against using it.
😂😂
Updated with a source.
Oh look, another simp that doesn't understand every capitalist country uses propaganda and slave labour, not just the ones you personally don't like.
If you read my post history, you would see that I am not what you are accusing me of.
The internet is full of uneducated, low-class, dogshit takes such as yours, and I hope to never be as ignorant as an idiot like you.
