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Yup, was scary finding myself agreeing with her for a while there…

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I hope you realize who your target audience is. If a Lemming doesn't know actual science and who MTG is, I have bigger questions about that person than the post.

Bruh

WTF?

Ivermectin works primarily by paralyzing and killing parasites, such as worms and mites, by binding to specific glutamate-gated chloride channels in their nerve and muscle cells.

Nothing to do with RNA viruses.

She learned that owning the libs is fun.

Just drink bleach. Bleach kills all viruses and bacteria.

you can get over it quickly by taking 2x the LD50 of Tylenol.

I died at this.

So is that like LD100 or something; I'm not technical so trusting your numbers here.

You do, it’s either self hosting, Linux or socialism

I love not having worms in me exactly as much as I love ivermectin, basically a miracle drug for that. They must be getting the dosage wrong tho because they've clearly got brain worms.

Ivermectin? I hardly knew her.

Doesn't even need to be eliminated parasites.

"I am solving the problem by taking the medicine, and I am smart because I'm using a secret medicine they don't want me to know about" causes the brain to release the good feelings chemicals which does make you feel better.

In the US, people don’t go to the doctor when they have a problem, they go as a last resort because they have to ask themselves how much it would cost.

In Estonia it's sorta the same except a visit costs nothing for the GP and 20 euros for the initial visit to a specialty doctor (subsequent visits are free).

We just don't go to the doctor because we're stubborn as fuck and "it'll heal on its own".

18% of Americans haven't ever seen a doctor and 40% of Americans haven't seen one for 5 years.

What the fuck? Have you a source for those numbers because they're shocking

colloidal?

People that blue themselves pretty much did it on purpose. Afaik it's not permanent.

Uh... Did he lose a lot of appetite and health improve after deworming himself?
Do conservatives keep banging on about ivermectin because they had an unusually high proportion of parasitic worm infected people?

The MD stands for Makin' Datup

100 % this. Also maybe overall education quality as well?

Great point. Hard to trust doctors when it’s $500 to not find anything over and over and over and over.

This is one my comment talking point. When people have to think about "can I afford this?" anytime they need to goto the doctor, then they'll only go when it's serious. But they are not qualified medical professionals to decide what needs medical attention or not. So they seek advice from other people, past experiences and Internet and we have this problem.

Honestly, it shouldn't cost that much to just goto a doctor's office and return. We don't need MD for everything, have other professional people there that are qualified enough to tell you when something doesn't need attention, or simple solutions. Maybe just cleaning a scrap, or giving you a brace for minor sprain, all those without having to see MD.

Agreeing about universal healthcare but adding sufficient PTO to go to the Dr.

Add to that the pleatora of fraudulent TV doctors

Many of my fellow Canadians fell for that shit, and they have free access to doctors.

(Not all of them, because our healthcare system is weirdly understaffed, but many of them)

That's a really good point

Vaccines are often free here

My dad literally will not talk to me because I refused to say that ivermectin is a miracle cure. He’s angry at me for some study or article that he thinks I am obsessed with (I honestly have no idea what he’s talking about), and insists I retract my belief in it or we can’t have a relationship. Since I haven’t the first clue what he’s even on about, he made his choice..

Can’t wait for the next round of crackpot email forwards. Hopefully he sticks to his word and won’t contact me anymore.

Edit - the last time I spoke with him was at my step mom’s funeral, where she had just died of cancer, which they treated with….I’ll give you one guess.

We aren’t dealing with rational people.

And immediately saw the error in his ways? Absolutely not. These people get sick to the point of dying. Go to the emergency room and get healed through real medicine and the efforts of a dozen nurses and a doctor or two. Then they leave and brag to their friends and family "see told you I'd be fine" and never give credit to the REAL medicine that fixed the issue.

My mom died a couple years ago (she thought "vibration therapy" would cure her cancer), and when my sister and I were cleaning up her house to sell it we found so many empty bottles of ivermectin as well as other crazy stuff. It's just the stupidest scam. Oh, medicine, biology, chemistry, etc is all bullshit, but horse medicine? Yeah, that's legit.

I guess I'm glad my father is only "ancient aliens" crazy after his TBI made him a trump supporter.

Yeah but not a worm in sight!

At least your parents are free from intestinal parasites

Well at least they don't have worm parasites.

It does work well for those things.

Early laboratory research indicated that ivermectin could kill the SARS-CoV-2 virus, but this was later found to require, in many cases, toxic doses far exceeding those approved for humans. Antivaxxers latched onto this and ran with it, spreading the misinformation far and wide.

Well, there was evidence that it helped and then mainstream pharmaceutical buried the evidence and killed all the scientists. Cause it'd affect their bottom line. And then you've got the secret kabal controlling everything that wants us hooked on their drugs for mind control. The anti-christ is alive, right now, and his name is healthcare /s

The real reason is probably that it was a dewormer that helped some very sick people feel better when they had covid, and then conspiracies about it took off when scientists said "yeah, that's probably not helpful for covid". Science is a messy process, but because of the authoritative way it's taught, people have trouble connecting the process of finding answers in real time with the firmness of the results. That, plus grifters pumping people full of fear and anxiety so they keep coming back for the next hit. It's not pushing ivermectin because they have stake in it. It's pushing ivermectin because it fits a pre-established narrative and thinking is, like, real tough, y'all. You gotta, like, put effort into that. Which is dumb. I've got this one drum, I'mma bang it all day.

Much like every culture war issue the right grabs onto: there's no logical basis for it. It became an in-group thing to signal to others that you're "one of the good ones". Sane people pointed out how bad it was which only made ivermectin more entrenched as THE healthy thing like crystals, red light therapy, essential oils, basically anything not backed up by a healthcare expert.

Having worms is common in poorer parts of the world and deworming humans is quite common. I imagine it's made its way through immigrant communities and then white people latched on.

Something else white people stole 🤣

I think its just people that can't tell memes from facts.

Settle down, we are not fucked. Hantavirus has been around forever, even this strain.

People on the floating petri dishes that are cruiseships are fucked. The rest of us are in no more danger from this than we were before.

What little Ive seen documented:

1. It was relatively new(~~20 years~~ 30 years) to the southern end of South America, they beat out an initial pandemic of it, has been endemic there since.
2. Not too much reaearch has been done on it, i.e. few experts.
3. It appears that it is most, and potentially only infectious when symptoms are showing, particularly the fever, but is very easily spread during that small window.
4. It seems like it isnt as easily spread as covid, but yeah, is much nastier.

That's almost as good as my idea. I thought like a really light version of COVID with nothing but light symptoms like fever and sneezing, but it would change your DNA just the right way, so you develop a hidden FFI prion infection, leading to you eventually not being able to sleep until you die.

By the time anyone realizes it is even a thing, nearly everyone would be infected, just a few prions would be 100% fatal, and there would be nowhere on Earth to hide.

Everyone dies from lack of sleep induced dementia.

It's what happens when practicing medical physicians forget they are not really researchers. The main problem is that medical schools do teach research, but just enough to give people a false confidence in their own abilities. Medicine covers so much information that medical school is basically just a series of introduction courses. Like with most positions as a physician, your real knowledge comes from what you actually practice during your residency and specialty training.

I specialize in orthopedics and rehabilitation, I can understand the mechanisms and physiology involved in studies done over rna virus replication, but I wouldn't feel confident in my ability to draw conclusions from those studies that are not explicitly stated in the study itself.

From my understanding invermectin has show itself to have some promising potential for moderating rna viruses from replicating. However, it's not very water soluble and so there are currently no effective means to actually get the medication to the affected cells. Which is why none of the studies done on cell cultures in a laboratory can't be extrapolated upon and applied to people.

Even if you are taking 100x the recommended dose, it's mainly just going to travel through your digestive tract and cause more harm than good.

Ew, dewormer frosting

Horse paste, apparently.

you don't have to be smart to work there. In fact it's better to be dumb so that common people could relate.

Someone told them NO. You cant do that.

That made them feel mad and feel stupid.

Then someone told them that they were right and that someone else was actually the stupid one.

Then they felt better.

Better than better, they now have the secret knowledge and everyone else are the stupid ones.

1. Ivermectin is a legitimate miracle antiparasitic
2. Early in the pandemic, some researchers showed you can neutralize COVID in vitro with ivermectin. The dose is more than enough to kill a human.
3. Trump announced he was taking hydroxychloroquine (antimalarial/antiparasitic) to prevent COVID infection during the pandemic
4. A group of crank doctors saw an angle and at a Senate hearing announced ivermectin as a wonder drug that prevents COVID infection entirely
5. Right-wing influencers like Joe Rogan took the ball and ran with it, infusing further anti-vaccine ideas into the movement
6. The sleeper class, who don't pay attention to medical news and get most of their understanding of the world from the influencers they follow, submersed in America's simmering broth of reactionary beliefs and distrust of authority, pick up the news that ivermectin prevents COVID during the Delta spike, when fears soared.
7. To a certain class of people, having their beliefs questioned is inherently hostile. Everyone telling them to not take ivermectin only makes them more stubborn about it. Ivermectin is also really easy to get a hold of because it's a common veterinary drug and pretty easy to find if you're rural.
8. Those people infect their social networks further with ivermectin bullshit, because people will trust their friends more than they trust authority.

And so, five years after we conclusively know ivermectin doesn't help with anything but parasites, you still find people who believe in its global efficacy, which has become greater and greater over time in reaction to more and more proof against it. Because the believers are stubborn reactionaries.

There is no logic, only horse medicine.

Honestly, my suspicion is that you can easily get the stuff. I've gotten it for my dog once or twice (it's a lot cheaper than dog dewormer, despite basically being the same thing), and all you have to do is go into a Tractor supply or the like and it's right on the shelf, no restrictions or anything. This is in contrast to actual medicine, where I have to go to a CVS or the like to pay an overpriced amount for something that is more regulated, and might even be a bit of a placebo effect in the first place (look at flu meds for an example of that).

All of this mostly seems to speak more to the degrading of the American healthcare system due to costs ballooning beyond what some of the poorer in society can afford, so they are more willing to try folk remedies that may or may not work. And in the case of your grandmother, is she gonna risk paying a lot of her life savings to cure her tumors if they aren't benign (without a guarantee that it will work), or is she just gonna hope that the $10 treatment might make her feel better? If they're benign, then the $10 treatment "worked", and if they're not, then she'll get expensive treatment anyway, just probably be in a worse position to get it.

It's honestly a pretty astounding medication that's been proven to prevent rna viruses from replicating in cells, and has some pretty cool anti-inflammatory properties. The main problem is that it isn't very water soluble and thus has horrible bioavailability. Basically, it would be as miraculous as people claim it to be if we can find a way to effectively deliver it to the treatment site.

Right now if you take it it primarily just runs through your digestive tract because it can't be absorbed into your blood stream. Which is why it's currently only useful as a dewormer medication.

You are missing they all have stakes in Ivermectin production somehow.

My dog takes an ivermectin based heartworm preventative every month

My dog has never gotten covid or hantavirus

Need I say any more?

It's just one of the tenets of belief from the orange man conspiracy cult. They joined that cult and chose their special secret conspiracy "facts" to believe in.

I mean it cures worms in horses, so it must be omnipotent

Morons

Big Horse Pharma has their tendrils in more places than you would expect

I did some limited research on this and there are a few studies that suggest ivermectin could disrupt tumors from forming. But certainly not enough evidence to suggest using it for that purpose given the risk of adverse effects.

I don't. Lots of people are gonna die or get disabled because of these idiots.

I'm not sure this is a thought profound enough to count as politics. I'd classify it as nothing more than aerating the mouth, since there clearly was no thought process behind it

My ancestors had the CCR5-Δ32 mutation, which is why they survived the Black Plague. That mutation was passed down through generations to me. So I am (theoretically) immune to HIV.

So basically, 1/3 of Europe dying almost 700 years ago means I can't get HIV.

Mind you, I'm not looking to test my luck.

"Grandma and uncle Fred die!"

"Herd immunity" is the result of the worst possible failure state, it is by definition a description of maximum damage. It makes no sense to portray it as a good outcome.

Oh yeah, she's just as bad as she ever was, it's just that she finally admitted Trump was a whack job, probably because she thinks she can get MAGA to follow her instead.

Not enough of them to matter, likely, just like covid.

As it spreads through the population, the more likely it is to develop into a strain that the current vaccines are ineffective against. It wouldn't just be the horse paste fuckers that this would effect.

Also it'd make it harder to reach herd immunity in the population and therefore place immunocompromised people in further risk.

You can't individualism your way out of a pandemic, everyone who undermines attempts at stopping the spread puts everyone's lives at risk.

the answer is simple.

What exactly is your point?

That said, if you sweep up a dusty storage building with mouse droppings you can aerosolize it.

Yup. Best to use a string mop and wipe the mouse poop up. Mostly because it's gross and who wants to breathe poop?

Thankfully, Hantavirus is mostly found in deer mice (Peromyscus maniculatus) which as a species prefer to be outside.

If it jumps to the house mouse,(Mus musculus) we're fucked.

I once met someone who had caught it through aerosolized mouse feces while out in nature and almost died. Apparently his R/C helicopter had caused the contagious dust to spread and he inhaled it.

Was this a study? I’d love to read it if you have the link

Yeah it cures everything! Also it's fun at parties

I encourage all conservatives to fuck around with hantavirus

Sorta. But losing 30% of your population dramatically destabilizes society. Those 30% are nurses, doctors, dock workers, police, pharmacy workers, plumbers, electrical engineers, military officers, ect as well as just ordinary people. The gears of society start to grind to a halt. People stop showing up to work. The dead stop getting buried because neither the hospitals nor the death industry can handle 1% deaths, let alone 30%. The supermarkets aren't restocked. Nobody comes to put out house fires. Nobody can get vaccines for measles, flu, or other common diseases. Normally trivial diseases like minor infections or dyssentary become deadly. Murder rates skyrocket. Winter comes, power goes out with nobody to fix it, people starve, freeze, or die of heatstroke in their homes. Newborn babies and pregnant women die from lack of access to care. A whole generation fractures.

If you lose 30% of your society to illness, you lose your society.

I'm pretty sure the Marjorie Taylor Greene has already reached her final form and cannot mutate into something more dangerous.

It was immediately and obviously debunked when conservatives and their movement were most vulnerable so the reaction was to cling to the totem of Ivermectin like it could give them salvation.