My Irish American grandma on my dad's side had two recipes. 'Roast Butt ', some pale greasy meat that was boiled until it was falling apart, yet still resisted cutting and chewing once it cursed your plate: the left overs of this were tossed into a pot with a can of La Choy 'Oriental Style Vegetables' and a bottle of some sweet sauce and dubbed 'Chop Suey', which was probably from a recipe she got out of an ad in the back of a TV guide in the 60s.

The woman could boil a mean potato, though.

My Oklahoma dust bowl era meemaw never really cooked anything that didn't come from a can, but she baked bread and 'English Muffins' from scratch that held up well when frozen.

The bread was really dry and tasteless unless you really slathered on condiments. The 'muffins' were flattened little lumps of dough that were as dense as a dying star, not a single nook or cranny in sight, with a chewy raw consistency not unlike chewing gum.

I actually liked those a lot, and was disappointed later in life when I had store bought English Muffins, which were more like a mutant crumpet than anything else.

My mom and sister have the recipes, but neither have attempted making them. I'm afraid to read them because they'll probably just say:

One box Jiffy baking mix, water, salt. Bake until done.

What is it with americans putting everything in jello? That's just gross. And then they make jokes about fries with vinegar (which is just ketchup without tomato (edit: and sugar)).

On the continent, they called it aspic. It used to be a thing: https://juliachildfans.com/julia-child-aspic-recipe/

Maybe it still is? (vegan alternative): https://www.realfoods.co.uk/recipe/egg-and-green-pea-vegetarian-aspic-agar-agar-jelly

How to starter bit: https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/food/2010/08/how-do-i-make-lovely-jellies.shtml

Its not an American thing, it's a Mormon thing. It had a very brief period of popularity outside of those freaks but yeah, I'd wager most Americans have never eaten Jell-O with something other than fruit in it.

I'd guess there's way more ketchup haters than people who even know the deliciousness of make vinegar, too. And "ketchup" here isn't just ketchup+vinegar, it's LOADED with sugar. I'm one of the ketchup haters.

It can't be overstated how many of those recipes were some con to sell canned shit that Grandma cut out of a magazine. There's very little "in the old county we cooked like this..." that made it through the Boomer food filter. Best case scenario is it's Betty fucking Crocker.

All my family recipes come from my male ancestors. Sure it's also various ways of making canned food work, but it's also been an evolving process since the 1800s so it's evolved from somewhat edible to outright good. All of them are trail/camping recipes for context, lots of meat, starche, and grain.

The people who say that about younger women probably had Grandmas who were still in households that could be sustained on a single income.

Not saying it was ideal that their only choice was homemaking, but it stands to reason that a more significant amount of them got good at cooking and baking.

In her defense, we're quickly approaching the point where the only food we'll be able to afford is depression era food. Welcome back to splitting one streak between 7 people and water pie.

Using ground meat as a seasoning in your pasta sauce?

Both my grandmothers were great cooks. I guess I had a lucky childhood in that regards.

I grew up in the 70s with casseroles that would make your god cry.

If I’m diagnosed with cancer, I’m blaming old-timey cooking. Some things should be left in the past.

When I was in high school my older brother brought a cookbook with recipes from around the world. I tried to make couple that were fairly easy to make and was amazed by the taste. I couldn't believe food can have that much flavor. I later realized it's not that the recipes was so special. My mother's food was simply very bland. Not bad, but it was just variations of salt and sour. I don't make or miss any of her recipes. She makes very good deserts tough.

Yeah, even just having more different ingredients and spices available makes those recipes of old somewhat obsolete. But then you also have the internet to tell you all kinds of new recipes, so if the local cuisine isn't great to begin with, it is easier than ever to not bother with it.

Yeah, 40 years ago was a food desert compared to today just because of the dearth of information. We got our area's first Greek restaurant 35 years ago. Granted we also have so much more available now (the citrus selection at the SEA market puts whole foods to shame. They have like 5 kinds of kumquats. local whole foods doesn't even have loquats) so sometimes it's hard to remember how limited our diets were even two decades ago.

Like, I just started making my own gyro. Grinding my own beef/pork mix (lamb is expensive and my lamb guy got a new job instead of working at the dispo so I need a new lamb guy) and getting some herbs in there. I never thought I could do that. Thank you internet.

I have three sets of grandparents. Only remember one of my granddads cooking, one of my granddads would bake.

Dad and granddad (his step dad) were the consistent, enjoyed cooking and playing with flavours cooks in the family 😅 none of the women in my family, including me, enjoy it other than my sister maybe!

My grandmother would put food in the oven before turning it on. When the timer would go off, she'd be frustrated that the food was dehydrated and undercooked, so she'd try her best to salvage it by starting the timer again for the same amount of time. Then she'd ask "what smells funny?" before pulling the food out from the oven, and complaining that the recipe was bad.

She never cooked before she got married, but she was married for somewhere around 70 years.

70 years.

In 70 years, she was never able to understand the concept of preheating the oven. When I was a child, she'd come over to my parents' house. If my mom was preparing dinner, and the oven was preheating, my grandmother would turn off the oven and tell my mother that she shouldn't leave the oven on. My mom tried so many times to explain preheating the oven, but my grandmother insisted that it was a waste of energy.

that's not a waste of energy, but i bet there was also other habit that is: unless you want to specifically evaporate water, things will get boiled just the same on low or high heat. (heating up to boiling point is most economical using high power) there's zero reason to keep thing boiling on high heat then add water. also, using hot tap water. water heater is much better at heating water than open gas flame, yet i see people insisting on heating entire pots and kettles of cold tap water

I've always heard not to drink hot tap water or cook with it because of the risk of nasty things leaching from the pipes. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-07/is-it-actually-bad-to-drink-warm-water-from-the-tap/102812252

Legionella specifically. If you're going to drink hot from the tap, go all the way to boiling first

Sounds like granny was a full blown dumbass.

Or had early onset Alzheimer's. Or both.

I had an elderly aunt that made "oyster stew" on special occasions. The recipe was as follows:

One gallon of 2% milk
One 16 oz. jar raw oysters with juice
Salt and pepper to taste

That's literally all that was in it. She'd mix it together, heat until steaming, then serve. Just a big pot of hot, oyster scented, salty milk, served with oyster crackers. Everyone hated it and none of her children carried on the tradition.

That recipe deserved to die.

Edit: oops, broken line breaks.

Oyster milk! It's fight milk but you get a refreshing seaside holiday while you drink it

It's fight milk

I didn't see any crow eggs in the recipe.

...oh my g*d what a horrible day to have eyes...

Your god, maybe.

The god of chaos demands at oyster milk sacrifice!

My grandma hand-wrote down all her recipes for her daughters before she died. A few years ago I decided a nice gift for all of them would be to transcribe the recipes into a printed book. While trancribing the recipes I realized that 80% of her dishes were just variations of ground beef, cream of mushroom soup, oleo, and shredded cheese.

I would bet you money that is you search for the exact recipes online or in some newspaper archive, a fair number would pop up as having been published elsewhere first.

My dad couldn't cook rice for shit. Always put way too much water in the rice cooker. On his last Thanksgiving, he made rice with something that turned it pink, honest to God not sure if he used food dye or something else.

And I'm convinced my hatred of liver ties back to how he'd drop beef liver in various soups. I'd never know if the meat I was biting into was goat, turkey or liver until it was too late.

He also gave us food poisoning twice. Yeah, he was a shit cook. Fortunately his cooking died with him.

Might've been beetroot. It's excellent at coloring things pink and also used as a food dye...

Turns out I don't actually dislike vegetables, I just dislike how my mother's and grandmother make them. Did you know they can be served with colour still on them?

This was me with soup. My mom would use all the dregs of whatever she had around to make "soup," and it was disgusting. Real soup made with the good parts of fresh ingredients is amazing, and I didn't even know until I was in my mid-20's!

I've made delicious strawberry ice cream. One way to get the strawberry flavor in there is to steep the milk/batter with berries and let the berry juice seep out of the berry. Fun fact! If you do this, you get white ghost berries so strain them out. If you want berry chunks, add new berries afters.

Turns out I love Brussels sprouts, so long as you don’t cook them til they’re grey.

Also, the new cultivars are WAY less bitter. You can still grow the old type yourself at home, and it's really a huge difference.

This is the important part. Modern Brussels sprouts are NOT your grandma's sprouts from the 1990s or earlier. From wikipedia :

In the 1990s, the Dutch scientist Hans van Doorn identified the chemicals that make Brussels sprouts bitter: sinigrin and progoitrin.[11] This enabled Dutch seed companies to cross-breed archived low-bitterness varieties with modern high-yield varieties

Relevant XKCD: https://xkcd.com/2241/

Frozen is way better than canned

Canned veggies aren't that bad. But my mom used to treat them like they fresh.

So instead of just warming them up in the liquid, she would rinse them, then boil them like normal (which was already too long).

Do you mean to tell me vegetables can be cooked some other way besides boiling? And you can put seasoning on them?!? My grandfather would be disgusted by the thought.

Even boiled vegetables taste good if you don't go stupid mode about it.

I got fucking microwave steamed frozen veggies with no seasoning at all not even butter and if I didn't eat the freezer burnt slop I wasn't allowed to leave the table.

Trauma bonding hell yeah. 👊

I get the microwaved steamed veggies now. But I at least toss them in some olive oil or butter and season them. Usually I'll microwave them halfway to thaw them then fry them in some oil to get a nicer char. Not gourmet, but perfectly fine.

I used to stir fry my veggies, but they'd end up soft due to the resulting moisture.

Then I baked them in the oven hoping that'd be better, but I'd overcook them just a bit and they'd be too hard.

I finally decided to air fry my veggies, and they were juuuuuuuuuuuuust right!

Boggles my mind oven roasted asparagus and broccoli were not a thing as a child.

My gourmand grampolycule even did grilled lemon almond mzithra broccoli once in the 90s. They spoiled us.

Church potluck every Sunday when I was a kid. A whole buffet line of jello based not dessert dishes. Usually peas in green jello, shredded carrots in orange jello,or hotdog in jello abominations. If not jello, there were at least 10 mayonnaise based atrocities.

I ate a lot of dinner rolls.

Ha. I know where you went to church.

Probably. Because we were there together. I think. Those were nasty jellos

I've always thought this was some sort of mass hysteria. Who ate any of that stuff and thought "oh, hell yeah, so good"? Who would make it twice? Let alone more?

I've always figured it was a remnant from the depression that overstayed it's welcome. A lot of those horrid old recipes feel like some of the old depression recipes with too many resources, like buying up all the potions ingredients in Skyrim to make random shit. Hope you like 33 flavors of damage stamina and damage health.

Mayonnaise PLUS jello, with hotdogs. Perfect.

I still can't do potlucks because my parents forced me to eat all sorts of random bullshit at the church potluck, because they felt like being seen eating someone's dish conferred some weird church status.

"Go over and tell Miss Borley how much you liked her chicken liver and salmon casserole."

On the other hand, this also contributed to my powerful disdain for church, so I guess that's something. The only way out is through... a senile lady's disgusting casserole, or something.

"Go over and tell Miss Borley how much you liked her chicken liver and salmon casserole."

Okay, Mommy!

goes over and vomits all over Miss Borley

Sometimes the holy spirit just moves through you.

I was a stubbornly picky eater. So thankfully my parents never made me do that, as I would have simply accepted a punishment rather than take a bite of any of that shit.

God, I feel for you folk. When my parents forced me to try something, it was like sushi, fried okra, or pesto.

In defense of my old church:

Pizza biscuits.

Get Pillsbury biscuit dough, slap down one, slap down mozzarella, marinara, pepperoni/sausage, slap down another biscuit over top, do this 12 times, cover and bake.

Sorta like a poor man's calzone... or, arguably, they're just super sized pizza pockets.

Don't pair well with grape juice imo, but they were honestly pretty good.

We did eventually get an Italian soda station bar type thing, no clue if we just aped that from the Mormons or came up with it independently.

Dude! We made those exact pizzas as kids after temple. They were quite good.

Ahem.

Cheesus Crust.

That is all.

I would have eaten those for sure.

Apparently I missed out. Post church social time was coffee and pastries. The big meals were normal (turkey with mash, green beans, and cranberry sauce, for example).

But I’ve read the cookbooks.

My grandma wouldn’t give me her recipe for my favorite dessert and she died:( My aunts try to reassure me by saying she probably didn’t have a recipe she probably felt it out.

my grandma’s famous brownies turned out to be box mix with chopped walnuts added 😂 and the box mix ingredients changed so they’re just not the same anymore.

i came up with my own deeply indulgent recipe that i prefer anyways.

When I asked for the recipe (fudge) my grandma legit sent me a cutout from the back of a marshmallow fluff jar. I am 100% certain that’s not the recipe she used.

No, there's a very real chance that's actually it. People get their recipes from somewhere. She wasn't some confectioner, inventing recipes from scratch.

You don’t know her

You might have been provided a "less-ipe". In communities where recipes are closely guarded, social pressures may force one to share what would be a personal secret. So they give an adulterated version ensuring only they, the original recipe holder can produce the beloved result.

One of my grandmothers had secret recipes, but when realized her time was coming to an end she taught each of her daughters different ones. So one was taught these sauces, another those desserts, and the other some special entrees. Of course the daughters got together and trained one another, but that was the point.

God people are stupid. Oh no. Can't give or my special recipe! No one will remember me!

It’s very likely:( I know some people who are holding out on their kids for that reason.

My mother has a couple recipes like this. Meanwhile I've taught the entire family (and my friends and some of the internet) all of my secret recipes. I only have two that I haven't taught her and I told her she can have them when she gives me hers.

i actually “caught” my grandma using the box mix. my aunt, her daughter, acted like i was foolish for being surprised 🤷🏻

That’s some pretty solid evidence. Caught in the act!

That’s why one day I insisted on standing next to my grandma to take notes. I‘m glad I did because otherwise her „I don’t have a recipe“ noodle dish would have been lost forever.

The secret ingredient was dust, dander, and flop sweat.

Source: my grandmother's kitchen. No disrespect granny, but your kitchen hygiene was awful.

It's the *snrk* that runs down her nose

I wonder if all great cooks "feel it out" or if that's just something I tell myself to help my disorganized ass sleep at night.

Cooking allows for a lot of "feeling it out". For example, most spices you aren't really going to taste a difference between a tsp and a tbsp of the same spice. Just knowing what spices go into the dish you are making can often be enough.

For example, taco seasoning is onions, cumin, oragano, chili pepper, and paprika. By far, the cumin and onions drive the flavor, you could almost leave out everything else. With that in mind, it mostly ends up being just the technique. Brown the onions, toast the spices, brown the meat. The actual amount of spices that goes in won't make a huge difference one way or another. What does make a difference is if you grind your cumin instead of using preground (that's true for most seed spices).

Technique is often the most important thing vs exact ingredient measuring. The exception to this is baking. You must measure (preferably by weight) your flour and liquids. You can eventually do it by feel, but it's hard. You'll get much better results with a scale. Even then, it's mostly just the process of targeting the right hydration. 70% does well for a lot of white breads (For every 1 gram of flour add 0.7g of liquid).

Wouldn't that be 41% hydration? You add 0.7g water to 1g flour, you get 1.7g of dough, 0.7g is about 41% of 1.7g

Nope. You aren't measuring the percentage of liquid in a dough. You are measuring the percentage of liquid relative to the mass of flour. That's why you can have 100% or higher hydration doughs.

In actual math, you are correct, but these are baker percentages where flour is always 100% and all other ingredients are relative to the flour.

So a recipe would look like this:

80% White Flour 20% Whole Grain 75% Water 15% Sour Dough Starter 2% Salt

Makes it really simple to scale recipes, you decide how much flour to use, for example 500g ut becomes

400g White Flour 100g Whole Grain 375g Water 75g Sour Dough 10g Salt

Pro tip (really more of an amateur tip): Flour is a natural product that varies widely between different regions and there can be large differences in how much water they can hold and how much protein (gluten) it has. Hold back 10-15% of the water at first and only add it bit by bit when the dough feels dense and you think it (and you) can handle it. My biggest beginner mistakes were definetly trying high hydration doughs without the know how if how to handle such doughs and how to tell wether or not the flour could actually hold on to that much water. 65% Hydration can make apso make a dope loaf

Oh that does actually make things much easier since the real percentage is much harder to track once you have several ingredients.

Yeah, and even when you do taste a difference, it's rarely actually bad. Usually, it's just a different hint of something in the overall taste. If you make the dish often, those variations are actually good, because it makes it more interesting.

Thank you for the best and simplest explanation of doing __% hydration for dough that I've seen.

No problem. I've definitely seen a lot of baking articles that somehow try and make this simple concept unbelievably convoluted.

The only other thing to know is that 1 mL of water = 1 gram of water. Which means 170g of water == 170 mL of water (At STP... blah blah blah. It's not super important to hit exactly 70% you can hit 75% or 65% and you'll be fine. It's close enough to true).

Is it weird that I can't recall my grandmother ever cooking for me? She may have at some point, but there was never any special reverence for her cooking the way I hear a lot of families have. As far as food goes, my strongest memories are about how she'd keep a cup of jelly beans in her car. I was always excited to ride with her because of it, haha.

The big deal cook in my family is my dad, who would have everybody lining up for his chili when he'd cook food for games and fundraisers. He became known for it. When a home game was coming up, football players would ask my marching band brothers if our dad would be cooking for it.

It's interesting too, because despite being born in a foreign country, and nearly my entire extended family being of the same culture, he doesn't cook in that style. His recipes are entirely his own. The key difference is that he uses a lot of sorrel, which is rare in the US but very common in the country he's from. We grew it in our backyard garden, and he gifted me a potted plant of it when I moved out.

I used to get annoyed when he'd invite himself to join me whenever I cooked... but I miss it now.

🫂🫂🫂🫂🫂🫂🫂🫂🫂🫂🫂🫂🫂🫂🫂🫂

Great depression, to rationing to factory farm byproducts and processed food.

See the thing is you have to remember that a lot of people's grandparents now are not great depression or a children. They were raised by those from the Great depression but they developed their own horrible nasty cooking habits in the '50s and '60s.

Yeah, at this point "grandma's recipes" would be mostly mid-century ones based around boxed or canned hyper processed convenience foods. "Put your French's® french-fried onions on top of your green bean casserole made with Campbell's™ cream of mushroom soup" and that sort of shit.

Also, probably half the recipes have their ingredient ratios thrown off by shrinkflation, since they were designed to use whole packages (for even more 'convenience') instead of giving proper measurements. And even if you did convert them to real units, nobody wants a recipe that needs 1.25 tubs of Johnson & Mills Bean Lard Mulch because a tub is now only 80% the size of what it used to be anyway!

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/articles/grandmas-recipes-dont-turn-anymore-091602464.html

I don't know what the fuck that monstrosity is, but what I do know is that it is neither a snack nor a sandwich!

There's 4 bread layers, spread with some kind of cream cheese/mayo abomination and laid down with gherkins, ham, pistachios, and mushrooms before being pressed in the fridge overnight and "frosted" with I dunno, horseradish or CoolWhip or something. The bread makes it a sandwich I guess.

i thought that was asparagus LOL

gherkins don't make it any more appealing

The mushrooms worry me the most. There's sizeable gaps between them, which seem to have been filled up entirely with whatever the white stuff is...

Hey maybe it's marshmallow fluff!

No.

I don't care what's in it or what other fevered rationalizations someone might try to make; just No.

has anyone ever tried this?

Family recipes are great though. Not women's job, but they are great and should be preserved. Unless they involve gelatin.

Hush up and eat your hooves

I dont necessarily agree - my family (including my mother who has run a few restaurants ~~into the ground~~) didnt have any recipes worth passing down - unless you count dumping a jar of ragu in a pot with some spaghetti.

By the time I was 20 I could match or improve the flavour of any dish from childhood (about the only good thing to come out of going to a culinary ~~scam~~ college), and I ended up not cooking... Basically any of it. I still pop open a can of smoked oysters on cheese and cracker nights, but thats more for remembering my grandma than anything else.

I blame the fact that everyone in my family smoked like a chimney and had no tastebuds left.

Tradition is peer pressure from dead people. Just because they did this to live most definitely does not mean you are to live this way. Britons and "headcheese".

A lot of people really don't want to admit that their family recipes are trash.

The very bad neighborhood of Flavortown.

Here's another thing, they used to cook the shit out of food. Not burnt? Can't serve it. And don't get me started on ketchup. On your steak? Seriously?

Both my mother, and my mother in law will not eat a steak unless it is well done. Even when it is cooked well done, they have been known to microwave it after just to be sure.

My mother burnt cookies. Every.damn.time. I thought she was just bad at it until a year ago my dad burnt his toast. I asked if he liked it that way. Yup. She burnt things because he liked it that way.

I grew up on shredded carrots in raspberry jello. Both the texture and the taste left a lot to be desired lol

mormons got it covered lol. there's a fair bit of survivorship bias here

Mid-century recipes were buck wild. People who'd grown up with six ingredients suddenly had access to exotic raw materials like cheese from Switzerland, and they were doing mad science in a casserole dish. It was fusion cuisine from people who would not recognize sushi as intended for human consumption.

This is my grandmother's recipe for ribs, which means it's 1950s American suburban cuisine. It's not high culture... but it's not bad, and you'd never try it otherwise.

Par-bake 5 lbs of pork ribs, in a deep pan, in the oven, at 325 degrees Farenheit.

While that's happening, mix a sauce from the following:

8 oz dark corn syrup or molasses
40 oz ketchup (seriously)
1 small onion, diced
3 cloves garlic
~16 oz canned mandarin oranges (or pineapple)
12 whole cloves
1 cups vinegar (white wine vinegar or apple cider vinegar)
3 tbsp "salad oil" (i.e. some lightly-flavored vegetable oil)
4 oz French's yellow mustard (again, seriously)
1 tsp salt
1 tsp pepper
3 oz Heinz 57 (a steak sauce, similar to A1)
2 tsp Worcestershire
1 tsp Tabasco
3 tbsp butter

Apparently I don't have the intended cooking times on this computer, so you'd have to bodge other recipes for ribs in sauce. Use a mat thermometer and don't worry about it. Basically just get them half-done, then pour on this "Polynesian" sauce, and check temperature / baste every so often. The result is a very sweet, tangy meat, with abundant extra sauce intended to go over fresh short-grain rice. Because I expect my grandmother died without ever hearing the word "basmati." My family stole the basis for this from Good Housekeeping, and they've only sent goons after us, like, twice. Incidentally you get about twenty pounds of ribs per goon.

This actually sounds like it could be pretty good! I'm cracking up at the 3T butter though.

I assume it's a binder.

Any idea who is being quoted in the tweet?

Conservatives who are triggered by the idea of women wanting to be anything other than housewives

I will never understand why some people prefer to boil hotdogs instead of just microwaving them. They taste better and it's way faster.

Pan fry or outdoor grill. I want that skin blistered and browned.

Microwaves with the wire rack instead of the glass plate end up giving 'em grill marks as if they were lightly BBQd if you put them directly on the wire rack. But grilling is still the better option when you have time.

Depends on the hotdog. Beef franks in natural casing? Boil. Chicken/pork dogs? Do whatever you want with them, it ain't gonna save them.

Don't you degenerate my Oscar Meyer! He died for our hot dog sins!

I air fry my hot dogs now after nearly two decades of boiling them, and a few years of baking them.

I will toss them on some foil in the toaster oven rather than boil them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwbnzEJSbRg

Holodetz

https://youtu.be/XAdRX76_Udo

Not gonna lie, I'd eat the shrimp jello.

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