Open SourceIts always good to try!
And I encourage everyone to write to banks and other service providers to provide apks directly or through F-Droid
I have a newer Pixel phone and I'm comfortable installing and running custom ROMs from doing so regularly back in the day - for those who've daily driven both, what are the reasons I should NOT switch from the stock OS to GrapheneOS?
You can't use Google Wallet to pay with NFC, they don't have Miracast, and Chromecast can supposedly work but I haven't been able to get it to work. Those are the three major hurdles I've found, but getting away from Google was a priority so I'll live without them.
NFC can have other providers other than Google Wallet, but I haven't found any that I find trustworthy enough yet. Supposedly the EU is making an alternative.
Hardware should be software agnostic
It was very disappointing to find out that GOS was incompatible with every phone brand but one. It is coherent with the Zeitgeist: why care about security and privacy when users will dump all their information in Google and Facebook?
Exactly. This was less important before the internet got ubiquitous, but nowadays, when manufacturers can screw you remotely, it's very important.
This kind of vertical integration, where a single entity controls both hardware and software shouldn't exist.
Very true. Covered that in my post on Europe
Fairphone? perhaps. Samsung? hell naw. Samsung heavily benefits from the spyware it builds into One UI and 99% of its user base do not care about the spyware.
But I do hope hope that Fairphone begins to embrace Linux support.
What is the bottleneck holding Fairphone back from supporting Linux fully?
Qualcomm
It 👏 should 👏 be 👏 the 👏 law 👏 .
I don't know how they managed to sneak locking a system to a single boot loader. And what about Qualcomm chips? They have a hypervisor OS, you say? A small operating system that can read all your memory? Updated as firmware?
Great, forcibly open source that system as well and tell them once and for all that they can fuck off. No, you don't get to control another persons property - you disgusting goblin.
Either that, or ban the sale of such devices permanently across Europe.
Can you give me some reading on this? I am happy to make noise about an issue once I understand it.
That too! I covered that in another of my recent posts on the Europe community on here
That is a big thing Europe can at least make happen and in Asian/African/Latin countries too.
I like your addition though that is all facts!! Let's keep pushing countries to make that happen.
To make them undo what Google is trying to do currently and what Apple does for long time to have all those devices be fully changeable for the OS
Needs to become a movement everywhere!!! Just as StooKillingGames, and the KeepAndroidOpen movements
We need a catchy name for it
A Fairphone with GrapheneOS would be the tops
Fairphones are scams
GrapheneOS doesn't like Fairphone very much it seems...
GrapheOS doesn't like anyone. I don't even think they should be treated as part of open phone community. They are hostile to everything that they didn't make.
They are hostile to those who dont genuinely care about privacy and security like fairphone and murena who also spend time spreading hate and disinformation about grapheneos and the devs and owner
I all for spreading hate about graphene os devs* but I don't think Fairphone is doing anything like that. Any proof?
*Just kidding. I think they are toxic but and their opinions on many topics should be ignored but there's no need to hate anyone.
Their gripe seems more to do with eOS, but they kinda couple them together. Hardware-wise fairphone is only deficient in its security chip. I do agree with GrapheneOS in criticisms of eOS’s philosophy and security and privacy goals. The founder of eOS is a prick.
what led you to this conclusion?
Hmmm, maybe something like this: https://www.androidauthority.com/fairphone-murena-software-response-grapheneos-claims-3579637/
the graphene people never fail to stir pot. lol
they not wrong, but there's better ways to inform other people.
Isn't /e/os (murena) a seperate company from fairphone?
Yes, and I don't know if it could even be classed as a collaboration. They just buy them and resell them with different firmware, basically?
I assume some part of acceptance is required for that in practice, but it isn't like Fairphone ever advertised them as an official option (as far as I can tell or saw).
So instead of seeing an opportunity to do the same, they burned bridges with one of the only companies not locking down their OS?
Well, Fairphone sells phones with e/OS preinstalled on their website so at the very least they like each other
Sure would be the toppiest of tops!
We can encourage them to work together in their official communication channels too!
Would be good for both of them on every level. GrapheneOS learning to make their own phones, and Fairphone learning to make an OS while both being partnered
Edit: Be the change you want to see everybody!! Flood the gates with what we want!
Graphene already has a partnership with Motorola now so the assumption is some time (I’ve seen 2027 speculated) we may get a Graphene Phone from Motorola. Mixed feelings about them partnering with a company like that but we’ll see how it goes. I still keep thinking about finally getting a secondhand pixel 10 so I can switch to Graphene from apple.
I would recommend it. Very worth it overall (As a user of a similar Pixel phone)
What are your use cases?
Afaik Fairphone is not interested in implementing some security features that GrapheneOS people consider a deal breaker
I wonder why they don't want to, its not really in Fairphones to not do that
They are talking about specific hardware features. Which would of course be great, but you can imagine how they are not exactly at the toppiest toppy top of Fairphone's priorities, when they are still struggling to be taken seriously by your mainstream Android buyer.
Consider that every hardware features is extra hard for Fairphone, on account of their very specific commitments to materials sourcing, labor practices, and longer term support.
They are a company with a lot of very complicated demands, for a still very low volume of sold devices. They need to pick their battles, and clearly being blessed by the church of Graphene can't be that high a priority.
Has anyone heard word if Moto is still planning on rolling out flagship phones with e/OS by 2027 still?
I heard Graphene. They’re doing e/OS as well?
Hope not fuck e/OS
I wish we have more choice for linux phone
At least one. Just one actively manufactured phone with full hardware support 🙏
EU petition?
Fairphone should focus on helping the Linux options move along, no need waste resources on GOS, just another android ROM
Long term android should die off in place of Linux but its a long road
Have UT running on a Nord phone, they have made good strides over the years, appreciate their dedication
I remember the GrapheneOS team saying that they won't bring their OS to Fairphone, because the Fairphones don't bring hardware support for security measures the GrapheneOS team doesn't want to compromise on.
Definitely feels like a supply chain issue on parts for Fairphone to have this position. Hopefully Fairphone, GrapheneOS, and hardware venders can work this out on a later model.
Take anything the lead dev of GrapheneOS says with a grain of salt. He's a little... Um, special.
While his perceptions of other people's motives and meanings may be suspect, his technical analysis seems pretty spot on.
Honestly if I had to deal with degooglers and Linux fanboys as much as he did I'd probably go batshit insane. Kudos to him
His technical chops are without question. However he has been so over the top obnoxious to MANY other leaders in the privacy space. He really hurts his own cause by refusing to acknowledge there are other threat models that can be solved with other answers.
Let's call a spade a spade: He is a raging asshole with severe clinical paranoia. I'm literally certain that if he saw this post he'd accuse me of being a shill for calyxos and to never fucking again interact with any grapheneos account. Both have happened to me before (Hence I refuse to ever interact with his troupe again, even though I use graphene and agree with the vast majority of its technical decisions; I have also stopped actively recommending it to anyone, the social media experience is simply way too attrocious).
I wasn't going to go THAT far . . . but I can't disagree with a word you wrote. Take my upvote.
Agree, he’s a bit paranoid and delusional. I think that may speak to his psychological profile. Who designs an impenetrable OS except someone who is a little paranoid?
One might argue it would be more difficult to do if you're not a little paranoid.
Both tantalizingly close with respect to GrapheneOS. I wouldn't expect Samsung to ever support the other two, but their phones are supposed to have every security element GOS expects. Only problem is that Samsung wants to make their own walled-garden ecosystem a la Apple.
I do remember reading somewhere that GrapheneOS are open to someone making a GSI (generic system image) port that would work with phones like Fairphone, which GOS don't want to officially support due to a lack of security features. I wonder if anyone has started work on such a thing.
OEM's
Or just OEMs, even.
Samsung? They will not give a shit it huge corp
If there's enough pushback, they'll eventually either do it or they'll die.
The vast majority of users don't care about these things, though
That's true but you never know maybe in future they will. Definitely don't see them doing it now. It would definitely be a hop on the wagon moment for them
Ya. Short term Motorola for Graphene, long term any that support postmarketos
Fairphone has their own with /e/OS
I owned a fairphone with e/os but what murena does feels a bit overbearing so i would be really happy about more support for other choices (also im planning/hoping to use the old phone as a small server after putting some linux on it and removing the unneccesarry hardware after setup wich would be greatly helped with proper support)
So yes: they have their own
But: options
I'm posting this reply from FP6 /e/OS. I have no complaints. I think experience can vary depending on the apps ecosystem that one is part of.
The short term is forked android. The long term is a Linux distribution, new or otherwise. It doesn't seem reasonable to assume that the proprietary blobs in Android will get reverse engineered.
That will definitely be the focus. If Europe people can mandate making Android and Apple Ecosystems be opened to having real GNU/Linux or anything else they want to be able to be put on it then that would make huge changes to getting that to happen
How, though?
I'f put my money on a repairable Huawei phone
These fuckers don't let you unlock the bootloader, so they can burn for all I care. So far, google have the best record, then oneplus, fairphone and alike (easy to unlock the bootloader, no point or ability to relock with custom keys), then mb xiaomi (beg corporate overlords for the ability to unlock the bootloader on YOUR FUCKING PHONE) and slmsung (loose the option to unlock the bootloader on newer firmware versions, loose security features on older ones), and then huawei/crapple who don't let you unlock the bootloader at all
Well I understand your point but don't think google will remain the 1st in your rankings for much time
Idk, honestly. On one hand, they're on the clear path to enshitify android into a wannabe walled garden. On the other hand, the bootloader is still unlockable and relockable, and I personally liked what they did with pixel 10 in terms of repair ability
There is also shiftphone. Thats less extreme to fairphone when it comes to fairness but very repairable
