Food chain still exists, home slice, and I'm at the top of it. Doesn't change my feelings about labor rights, or housing, or healthcare. You're presenting a false equivalence argument.

You're on top of it? Because you buy factory meat in a store?

Your being dense on purpose? You think human as a specie isn't at the top? Like if we want we couldnt kill every animal specie?

We built civilization and you think we areny the apex?

Think about it with a moral view. Should we kill millions of animals a year even tho we don't have to and is considerably worse for your health and to the environment?

So you believe in rule of the mightiest?

Can you even call yourself a leftist?

Maybe you have a point to make but this isn't it.

How is ita false equivalence to say that animal rights matter? Do sentient beings deserve to be eaten by us, simply because we have consciously decided that we want to be at the top of the food chain? Should you continue to have the highest emissions from your diet, simply because you're "at the top" of some hypothetical food chain you have no part in executing yourself?

I get that some people need to eat animal products for health reasons, but if your entire reason is "I am an apex predator" (which you're not, btw), then I don't see why you shouldn't be called out for that mentality, which is promoting a view of the world that is pretty exploitative of other living beings and environmentally damaging to boot.

Life eats life and I do not have the emotional fortitude to let that get to me. The other animals are out there eating each other alive, it's a horror show, and the expectation for humans to somehow be above and separate from nature is, imo, unrealistic.

Noone deserves to be eaten but if an animal is hungry they have every right to try and eat me and I have the right to defend myself.

Well I guess that justifies the horrific conditions of factory farming animals by the billions congrats on the moral high ground.

What if i dont care about animals? If i would become vegan i would do it just for the enviromental benefits.

So do it.

Nah i don't wanna. Meat is too tasty.

I commented just because, in contrary of what you said in the post, i think you can be easily ok with animal exploitation and still consider yourself a leftist.

Having said that, i try to avoid meat when i can and i try to prefer a more vegetable based diet. Im just not ready to ban meat all around right now. As i said, i'd do it just for the enviromental damages of intensive farms, not because im compassionate about cows or chickens.

But as you said you wouldn't do it for the environmental damages, you won't do it all. So you're just talking complete shit.

But that's not the point i was originally addressing. You shifted the focus towards the fact i'll be not going vegan.

I made the ipotetic sentence that IF i would be going vegan i would do it just for the enviroment, ignoring the animal exploitation you addressed in the post, and by doing so i think my leftism would be intact.

I was just saying that i dont agree with the fact that "veganism is leftism" and that the leftism of a person is also judged based on what he thinks of animal exploitation. If you want to stay here and point out im not going vegan because basically im too lazy, thats ok.

Maybe you should care about animals? If it's morally defensible to abuse whom you don't care about, then all anyone has to do is not care about you to be free to abuse you.

Animals are animals and human being are human beings. Your point would made sense if you put animals and humans be on the same level, which in my opinion they aren't.

The fact im ok with killing animals to eat meat doesnt mean that i think that some people hold less value or that if they're powerless in some situation justify me or anyone else in abusing, killing them or anything of sort. Because they're people. Not animals.

Oh, I guess I will stop supporting left ideologies then.

I like abusing certain animals (i.e. your mum (with her consent) (she's freaky (and insatiable 😰(almost all of us are tired except her) (feels like a group project))).

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