Painful Sideloading
(midwest.social)
kamenlady
Programmer HumorIndian accent: "Alright mam, when you install this app, I will contact you tomorrow and we can proceed with the transfer. For security reasons, don't tell anyone you received this call."
The real sollution is to lock Infia off the internet until they crack down on all their scammers.
Hey maybe you're not racist, maybe you're just watching too many youtube videos
I basically never watch Youtube, its kind of cancer and Google is a spyware company.
And this isn't about race, its about a country cleaning up its own act. I feel basically the same way about Russia, for example. There isn't an online servixe or system that sould not drasticly improve if Russians were blocked from the larger web. Its basically a factory for misinformation and assholes.
Don't worry buddy, I get it. I feel the same way about USA
Also, it locks alternative sources to the Play Store out. How convenient, right?
grapheneOS wont be affected by this so, atleast we dont loose all hope
Yeah, but those few million users are not global-market-relevant.
It's still good.
GrapheneOS unaffected - > more enthusiasts switch to it - > more funding - > better UX - > more interest, more adoption from less tech savvy people, possible professional grapheneOS installation services (think a guy helping gam gam install windows for a bit of cash, to start)
And so begins the beautiful cycle of mainstream adoption of something great
Or at least that's what I tell myself when the current tech world scares me at night
The majority of people
Stop using such shit excuses. Keep Android Open!!
The majority of people have 2 arms. So why bother with prosthetics or research into biofeedback?
See, it's flawless logic /s
The majority of people are stupid. Who would have thought.
the majority of people would like to have a piece of my paycheck, so I'm giving some away
-statements dreamed by the utterly deranged
-cunts that write shitty articles like this
I feel like this is terribly unfunny but mom didn't make no bitch so I'm not deleting it
Are there any real statistics about the real number of scams deployed via "sideloading non verified apps?"
I do not know the number. But I don't think there are that many cases. Most scams I've seen have been via web or via a normal app downloaded on the appStore.
Scams require some level of idiocy, complacency or distractedness to pull off. If you're going out of your way to install non-standard apps you're likely paying enough attention not to fall for it.
If youre getting a mark to install something on their phone, you'd probably have just as much luck getting them to sent you a Western Union cheque.
"ThE mAjOrItY oF pEoPLe DoN't AxUaLlY nEeD sIdElOaDiNg"
Fucking bootlicker
Sideload deez nuts
Patrick you should go fuck yourself, you are not different from that low life systemd age field PR asshole
With arguments like those that person already seems like an astroturfer IMO. Also sideloading is the language corporations used to delegitimize decentralized app installation.
He very technicaly speaking is correct. Pepole are dumb as bricks when it comes to technology.
The classic "you are too dumb to choose" if only education was a thing...
We are at a time where governments and corporations actively dumb things down until they can make this excuse, instead of actually doing what is right for the people, which is investing in education and treating people as intelligent and autonomous beings.
"Sideloading" is anti-property-rights loaded language.
The correct term for installing something by means other than the Google-approved method is "installing normally."
It is the act of capitulating to Google's control, due to the incorrect belief that you need its permission to use your own property how you want, that needs a new term. So far all I've been able to come up with is "cuckloading," though I'm not happy with how sexism-adjacent it is and am open to suggestions.
Might be easier to come up with a specific name for installing something from Google. "Google loading" maybe.
The we just go back to "installing".
Walled-Garden-stalling?
"A googol steps to add an app"
Authoritarian-stall
Package Micromanager
Daddy Google's allowances
Controlware / Slaveware / Theirware
"Google loading" isn't derisive enough. The example I came up with isn't quite right, but I do want it to have that same feeling of being a grave insult. Maybe something like "simploading?" Or "dipshitloading?" "Brownloading" (think like "brownnosing")? IDK, I'm just spitballing here.
"Slaveloading". Because who doesn't want to be a corporate slave?
I was thinking bitchloading. Cause you're their bitch.
To really sell it in the US anyway, you could try renaming sideloading to “freedomloading” or maybe “freeloading” (which sounds very Tom Petty, or porn related like “loadblowing”)
Then to rename the vendor locked loading is tricky. Even the old term “jailbreaking” has negative or criminal connotations. Though the jail is where you were wrongfully imprisoned, but that doesn’t convey easily. You could try to flip it around and call the locked down version “jail loading”. Or “commie loading”, all you would need to do is get some democrats to pretend to support vendor lockin.
Problem is any legislator on either side is in the pocket of the corporations who will oppose this, so there is no incentive for a propaganda campaign on the other side. So everyone will renain convinced sideloading is evil criminal hacker shit.
you could try renaming sideloading to “freedomloading” or maybe “freeloading”
freeloading is already a verb in english, and not the one you're looking for
"Ransom loading"?
The problem is this is already being used to do political censorship so any restriction on what users can install on their device is harmful, because it's not just weird nerds but people need to use other apps like ice watch
Awww... Uncle Google just wants what's best for me! So what's the harm in getting into his van? What's the worst that could happen?
Patrick Campanale, you're a spineless corporate shill and I hope one day, you will pay for that spinelessness
The comments on that article seem to agree with you.
Link?
I don’t want to push too much traffic to this guy’s post but it’s titled “Android's new 24-hour sideloading delay should've happened years ago”
And now we know this "reporter", Patrick Campanale, is a bootlicker
Let's not jump to conclusions! He just might really be this stupid to believe these claims.
Let's punish both types in the same manner to make them both stop.
I like the energy but, ideally, stupidity/ignorance should be punished with education.
Can't cure stupidity, except if it's based on a lack of knowledge, right? Then again, the stupid-stupid person will just see education as a punishment 😁
As someone who replaces "core" apps with FOSS alternatives, the 24 hour wait is quite a punishment.
We need those phone shops that actually can hack your phones back, just like when we use custom OS in nokia phones pre-smartphones, normalize custom ROM again.
I can get behind a delay to enable side loading and the warning screens are nothing to me since I can just click past them. Though the delay should be more like 30-60 minutes at the most.
The real problem is requiring devs (even outside of the play store) to identify themselves. That is ridiculous and does absolutely nothing to secure the device for the user. (It only secures it under Google for their interests)
I mean I get the idea of the forced restart and the general waiting time - assuming a scammer wants you to install a "side loaded" app, it will disconnect their call with you, of they're calling you on that phone. Same for a waiting period that forces the scammer to either hang around on the phone with you for a long time or to call again some time in the future.
But 24h?
My elderly parents are getting a continuous amount of scam calls now practically every day for I don't know how long. All because they one time actually took a call and talked a while with the scammer. I am not at their home a lot, but last time blocked numbers on their handset landline phone. It seems the scammer noticed and switched numbers as they do.
Point is, this has been going on for weeks or months. 24h are nothing in waiting time for a scammer. It just forces them to do yet another call a bit later.
Scammers spoof the caller ID. Blocking numbers doesn’t do shit because those aren’t their real numbers.
* than.
Fuck's sake.
Freudian slip?
First it will help more people, then it hurts.
Can't expect them to know what good grammar is while fellating Google's nuts!
I prefer package managers & installing software to locked corpo market bullshit loading
Everything on my grapheneOs is sideloaded,
Everything on my GrapheneOS is installed normally, by which I mean "however the fuck I want".
Fuck allowing the act of exercising your rights as the owner to be demonized with bullshit loaded language!
Why not get an alternative store? Perhaps F-Droid.
Everything is loaded from fdroid or obtanium
I think it's a Google Play Services thing. That's what I've heard.
The opinions of a christian youth pastor who loves claude code.
What kind of apps are there that "typically" need to be installed "urgently"? Sure I can work around the delay most of the time (and be at worst annoyed out of my brain by it) but that's not how a user experience is meant to be designed, is it?
Anything I want right now that Google is blocking me from is urgent.
How long am I supposed to beg to use my own device?
I'm with you, I'm questioning the wording in the OP's picture.
For a couple of years we directly loaded our app onto dedicated devices that we deployed to client locations. Adding an extra day to this process would require some extra work / planning.
This is for an app that isn't on the Play Store, and many of these devices don't have GMS, or a store or browser on them.
We've since moved entirely to an MDM, so this isn't really an issue anymore, but we do occasionally run into a device that's not yet been enrolled and still uses the manual installation
Putting barriers is a systemic disadvantage and we're right to criticize it, especially since once they establish the president that they're allowed to do this they can go farther. That always happens and every time you're told you're being ridiculous stop overreacting
Bruh screw android and its updates, it fucked up and it keeps getting worse, its updates are very occasional, at least if they were worthy then fine i'm with ya, but no, they are just junk, they slow down my phone and are many times buggy; it keep restricting users and developers under the term of 'security', go fuck ur security, I know what I'm doing, either gimme full control over my property or fuck off. This is MA phone NOT urs!
When I get a new phone, I'll either find a way to get an old android version like v10, or just find another system.
I'm not going to spend good money on another Android phone and because of this. I used to be willing to tolerate it to some extent but I'm done now. Any further Android devices are going to be low-end burner phones for a specific needs that I can't meet otherwise. Having a Linux phone is now a matter of necessity not something that would be nice to have
Even my windows using wife is considering a Linux phone over this
Is 2026 going to be the year of the Linux handheld? /s
(No, Android is no more a Linux OS than the PlayStation is a BSD fork.)
I highly doubt 2026 will be the year of the Linux handheld. But if Linux on the desktop continues growing the way it currently is, it could lay the groundwork for Linux on handhelds.
Realistically, I don't think any year will be the year when Linux for mobile takes off, ironically for the same reason why Windows Phone failed, and that is app availability, or the "will my banking app work on it?" problem.
you can use most android apps on linux as far as i know
We really can't find a sincere friendly OS like Linux. I wish Linux and other friendly phone systems had more hardware support. Android is dominating with its "I'm the ruler" philosophy, bc Google knows the alternatives are limited.
If you root Android... It's pretty much a Linux OS.
I'm throwing my phone into the sea the moment it tells me I'm not allowed to do something.
Hate to break it to you, but this is just the next assfucking in a long line of assfuckings. Your phone already won't let you:
- Unlock the bootloader without wiping all the data on your phone (or some won't let you unlock it at all)
- Run "sensitive" apps if you have the audacity to run code that isn't approved by the manufacturer
- Have admin or root rights to the phone you fucking bought and paid for without it marking your phone as "insecure"
I mean, maybe, hopefully, this will finally be the assfucking that wakes us the fuck up.
I don't care what other phones do.
Which phone do you have that doesn't do this? (Unless you have a Linux phone, but then you'll be unaffected by this whole change anyway)
Nokia 3210?
The last one is probably true, though. Most Android users don't care about sideloading. Those who are being pressured to do so will face the 24 hour lock.
On the other hand, I'm an iPhone user who knows Android as well as anyone. So if I were to pick up, say a Pixel 11 Pro or a Galaxy S27 (so, looking at next year's lineup), the first thing I'm gonna do is hit that developer option to enable sideloading. I know where it is. I know how to unlock it. And I know the risks. In the meantime I'm gonna set up Nova Prime, I'm gonna put Poweramp on it, I'm gonna be setting up KLCK and KLWP (and maybe KWGT) and all the other apps. By the time I need to sideload anything, I'll have the important stuff out of the way and shouldn't have to wait that long.
In the meantime I’m gonna set up Nova Prime
https://www.androidauthority.com/nova-launcher-acquisition-ads-update-3633871/
I said Nova Prime. That's the paid version.
I know what they're doing to free users, and it's a shame. No one ever said anything about the paid version.
it is still the same company. if you think they respect your privacy just because you paid them, that is on you. but bragging about it publicly in a comment where you try to sound like super experienced user seems funny.
This means though that now the important stuff HAS to come from the play store or you have a 24-hour penalty every time you get a new phone.
The way I understood it is you have to wait 24 hours every time, not just for activating dev options.
Edit: apparently I was mistaken.
The Google page I read was the opposite of that. The first time you unlock sideloading, they'll warn you and make you wait for a day. From then on it's unlocked.
While I hate Google with a passion, and don't trust them at all, this seems like a reasonable way to handle the issue of non tech people being coerced into sideloading unsavory apps by scammers.
It just sounds like they came up with an excuse to try and be non-compliant with the European Union's ruling that they're an illegal Monopoly
Okay, if that's indeed the case, it's at ~~best~~ worst patronising, yes.
(This leaves of course the other, bigger issues of added hurdles to developers)
Edit: Worst is the word.
Link to the article (for the comments, the article itself is pretty much AI)
https://www.howtogeek.com/android-24-hour-sideloading-delay-shouldve-happened-years-ago/
