3dprintingThe quality/price of Bambu always stopped me from getting a 3D printer. Meaning - it was the best product at the best price point but I couldn't justify the walled garden. The competitors at the time were more expensive and not as good.
But that was a few years ago. What's the scene like now? Is there a comparable product to Bambu's X1 carbon (or whatever the current model is)
[Edit] I am not opposed to assembly but one of the appealing things about Bambu is how simple the initial setup is. I really don't want to spend hours tweaking before my first print lol
There are a lot of printers today that do better or similar, depending on what type of filament you are planning to print with, bambu really shine(d) (don't know about current generation) with pla especially with their own branded one. I'm currently enjoying small farm of elegoo centauri carbons, they have their own issues but print quality is similar or better to x1 or p1 when it comes to petg and nylon. For multi color there is snapmaker u1.
Ooh now we're talkin, that centauri carbon 2 bundle is about the same as the Bambu X2D base model
What are the issues with it? I see that they fully embraced open source 2 years ago
Dunno about cc2 (also I believe that it's at least 20%-30% cheaper then x2d without ams), but CC had a few software problems that they were very slow to fix. Nozzle change procedure isn't great, usb cable of the first few revisions were shitty. Current CC1 machines are good.
They aren't opensource, like at all, there is opencentauri project that only recently started to ship klipper for cc (first one).
Upd: apparently CC2 is fully open
Snapmaker U1, uses multiple toolheads for multicolor or multimaterial printing without the massive waste generated from filament switching designs like BAMBU.
Ooh that looks awesome! But I'm kinda in the same boat as before, this thing's 40% more expensive than the X2D :(
"Relies on cloud access" should be a required warning label like the cancer warnings on cigarettes.
It doesn't "rely" on jack shit. It "arbitrarily requires cloud access."
You can easily disable cloud access though, unless I misunderstood the comment.
Bambu wants to be a walled garden, don't defend their bullshit
Try reading my comment again.
Bambu Labs is openly hostile towards the 3D-printing community. I am surprised people let it come this far and didn't immediately shun this company the moment they first locked down their printers.
I think they only got away with it because they managed to produce a product at a low price that out performs almost everything in print quality and speed. If they were at the same speed and quality as everyone else they would have flopped immediately with their lack of open source respect.
out performs almost everything in print quality and speed.
according to every cunt on YouTube who got paid to review one. Props to Bambu for understanding how to market bullshit to 3D printer customers.
As these 3D printer laws trickle in, you soon will have every print scanned on Bambu's server to prevent you from printing repro parts or copyright models.
Thats fair. I have never used one of their printers. But I have seen prints from them and they are impressive considering the people showing them to me had just started printing and did nothing to dial in anything.
Unlike other printers, Bambu Lab machines rely on cloud access to support their advanced features like remote monitoring and reading the filament in the AMS. In fact, it wouldn’t be until three months [after launching their first printer], in March 2025, that a Bambu Lab printer would have a USB drive to facilitate moving print files without the internet.
For just this alone, Bambu Labs should be made insolvent.
Then we get to the story here, threatening a lawsuit for reverse engineering a piece of copyleft software.
Fuck Bambu Labs.
Reverse engineering proprietary software isn't necessarily illegal. From the 9th circuit court decision in "Oracle v Accolade" (2021):
We conclude that where disassembly is the only way to gain access to the ideas and functional elements embodied in a copyrighted computer program and where there is a legitimate reason for seeking such access, disassembly is a fair use of the copyrighted work, as a matter of law.
Disclaimers:
- IANAL.
- A prohibition on reverse engineering can certainly be included in an EULA, so in some cases, reverse engineering a piece of software can constitute breach of contract.
After all week of seeing editorialized headlines I couldn't believe how [the stuff described in] the article kept getting worse. If I'm getting this right, they sent a C&D over literal open source (not just source available, GPL) repo being forked??!
I like the X1C I have because it's good hardware but I hate where they are going. If they behaved like this back when I bought it I would have just gone to another company. Shame, the hardware is great.
Sucks. I immediately blocked mine from accessing the internet to stop any updates when they started being shady.
The printer was a great entryway into the hobby but definitely will be looking at other brands if I ever need to buy something new.
I hope people forked it
I hope that it'll push at least some people away from bambulab.
This too, but for the machines already out there
If people at least in the diy community would stop recommending them it would be a win in my eyes.
I couldn't agree more. We should never recommend anything that locked down to begin with.
Wish i kmew of this before it was pulled, oh well
